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Aug 26 2009, 09:36 AM
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Aug 26 2009, 05:00 PM
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From a practical standpoint, I've always wondered why (organic amine or heterocylic amine) free bases are so sticky and difficult to work with, yet when you acidify and make the corresponding acid salt (e.g. pyridinium hydrochloride) it behaves more like an ideal free flowing powder.
Under Titan conditions, any organic amines would likely form as the free base. Assuming the ammonia/water ocean and solid ices derived from that, the free base form of any organics would also be preferred. So theoretically at least, from either a kinetic (formation) or thermodynamic (equilibrium with the environment) standpoint, the free base form on Titan should be preferred. Why are free bases in general more sticky than the salt forms? Speculating wildly, it could be that the free base amines form relatively weak transient H-bond interactions between the molecules in the solid network. These sloppy intramolecular bonds make the intramolecular arrangments less ordered. But protonate them up under acidic conditions, and you force a local cationic charge that can set up a more defined and orderly network of cation-counterion <and solvent> couples. A more ordered network makes a more solid matrix. But that's about the limit of my knowledge of atomic-level surface science.... In any case, knowing the exact composition of Titan dune sands is going to be key. -------------------- Some higher resolution images available at my photostream: http://www.flickr.com/photos/31678681@N07/
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ngunn Alternate explanation for Titan's dunes Aug 26 2009, 09:36 AM
Juramike Very interesting!
My own experience with a ... Aug 26 2009, 12:50 PM
Juramike Wait a minute!
The transverse dunes of T8 (ju... Aug 26 2009, 01:00 PM
ngunn I have a rather old pair of hi-fi speakers at home... Aug 26 2009, 02:08 PM
marsbug Exploring the exact mechanisms of adhesion at work... Aug 26 2009, 02:30 PM
belleraphon1 And knowing how all these materials really behave ... Aug 26 2009, 06:46 PM
Juramike QUOTE (belleraphon1 @ Aug 26 2009, 01:46 ... Aug 26 2009, 08:40 PM
marsbug QUOTE (Juramike @ Aug 26 2009, 06:00 PM) ... Aug 26 2009, 07:56 PM
Juramike Polymeric tangles - very likely.
Somewhere (forge... Aug 26 2009, 08:17 PM
ngunn I always enjoy a chemistry lesson here, even if I ... Aug 26 2009, 10:16 PM
Juramike QUOTE (ngunn @ Aug 26 2009, 05:16 PM) Wha... Aug 27 2009, 04:00 AM
belleraphon1 I second ngunn here. Mike et al, fascinating to re... Aug 26 2009, 11:57 PM
marsbug QUOTE (Juramike @ Aug 26 2009, 09:40 PM) ... Aug 27 2009, 09:58 AM
Juramike QUOTE (marsbug @ Aug 27 2009, 04:58 AM) T... Aug 27 2009, 02:27 PM
Littlebit Low gravity. Thick Atmosphere. Very low temperatur... Aug 28 2009, 01:18 PM![]() ![]() |
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