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Alternate explanation for Titan's dunes, bi-directional winds not required? |
Aug 26 2009, 09:36 AM
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Aug 26 2009, 07:56 PM
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Why are free bases in general more sticky than the salt forms? Speculating wildly, it could be that the free base amines form relatively weak transient H-bond interactions between the molecules in the solid network. These sloppy intramolecular bonds make the intramolecular arrangments less ordered. But protonate them up under acidic conditions, and you force a local cationic charge that can set up a more defined and orderly network of cation-counterion <and solvent> couples. A more ordered network makes a more solid matrix. But that's about the limit of my knowledge of atomic-level surface science.... Thats well above my level of organic chemistry! But from working on putting down nitride and oxide coatings there will very likely be an intermediate layer between any two grains. In fact it's bloody hard to get rid of, even under high vacuum conditions most things have a layer of oxides that need ion etching off. Depending on the exact conditions on earth it's almost always water plus greater or lesser amounts of what else is in the atmosphere. From there a lot depends on how the surface reacts with water and the atmospheric gasses, so as a total shot in the dark I'd suggest that the free bases have a better affinity for atmospheric water, or more likely something they make as a layer on reacting with air ( oxygen content a likely suspect?) has a better affinity. On titan the grains would (I imagine) be most likely to condense monolayers of simple organics to start with. More wild speculation: Is there any chance polymers could form and each grain could have a tangle of polymers around it, acting like very tiny velcro? -------------------- |
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ngunn Alternate explanation for Titan's dunes Aug 26 2009, 09:36 AM
Juramike Very interesting!
My own experience with a ... Aug 26 2009, 12:50 PM
Juramike Wait a minute!
The transverse dunes of T8 (ju... Aug 26 2009, 01:00 PM
ngunn I have a rather old pair of hi-fi speakers at home... Aug 26 2009, 02:08 PM
marsbug Exploring the exact mechanisms of adhesion at work... Aug 26 2009, 02:30 PM
Juramike From a practical standpoint, I've always wonde... Aug 26 2009, 05:00 PM
belleraphon1 And knowing how all these materials really behave ... Aug 26 2009, 06:46 PM
Juramike QUOTE (belleraphon1 @ Aug 26 2009, 01:46 ... Aug 26 2009, 08:40 PM
Juramike Polymeric tangles - very likely.
Somewhere (forge... Aug 26 2009, 08:17 PM
ngunn I always enjoy a chemistry lesson here, even if I ... Aug 26 2009, 10:16 PM
Juramike QUOTE (ngunn @ Aug 26 2009, 05:16 PM) Wha... Aug 27 2009, 04:00 AM
belleraphon1 I second ngunn here. Mike et al, fascinating to re... Aug 26 2009, 11:57 PM
marsbug QUOTE (Juramike @ Aug 26 2009, 09:40 PM) ... Aug 27 2009, 09:58 AM
Juramike QUOTE (marsbug @ Aug 27 2009, 04:58 AM) T... Aug 27 2009, 02:27 PM
Littlebit Low gravity. Thick Atmosphere. Very low temperatur... Aug 28 2009, 01:18 PM![]() ![]() |
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