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Sep 16 2009, 01:51 PM
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Today I heard this on NPR: Exploring a moon by boat
QUOTE The mission could launch around 2016 and be sailing on Titan around 2022 — if this team gets through a highly competitive selection process to get funding from NASA. Stofan and her colleagues are busy working up their proposal for when NASA begins to accept ideas for future Discovery-class missions. Quick Google search on Dr. Stofan's name found this: What Next for Titan? QUOTE Ellen Stofan has a Discovery-class Titan lake lander proposal. I've not seen the presentation, but a friend who has tells me that it is less capable than the ESA lake lander proposed for TSSM. (This would make sense – ESA had a budget of ~$1B for just the lake lander and balloon. Stofan has just $450M and has to fit a carrier craft and launch vehicle into that budget.) The 2007 report did not look at lake landers. I know of Stofan by reputation, and she's highly competent. However, fitting in a carrier, lander (with entry shell), and launch vehicle within a Discovery mission budget seems ambitious. Perhaps this could be done with a New Frontiers budget ($650M with the launch vehicle provided by NASA outside this budget), although the 2007 budget suggested that a budget twice this amount would be needed just for an atmopheric probe. Aside from above quote's understandable skepticism of the Discovery-class price tag, where would plutonium for this mission come from? I thought it is all already allocated? |
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Sep 16 2009, 08:52 PM
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I'm skeptical that if one were to choose to send just one more lander to Titan, that a lake would be the clear place to choose to send it. Is there focus in this proposal of that specific choice? (Land vs. Mare?) It seems to me that if you could predict the weather, you'd almost want it on a solid piece of ground that will see some precipitation. That might be a pipe dream, but it sounds like the "boat" is going to be a meteorology package plus surface characterization tools. Do we have more questions about what's in a lake, or more questions about what makes any other terrain on Titan? I suppose you do learn for certain what part of the aquifer is composed of... and that answers a global question. But as for surface photos, as pointed out in later posts on the same blog, there might not be too much to see. A descent imager would be of great use, but a pancam wouldn't. If you could try to get the boat to drift to shore, though... that would be neat. Maybe give any mast more of a cross-section to the wind and less in the lake to ensure that it does drift.
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Mark6 Titan boat on $450 million - how is it possible? Sep 16 2009, 01:51 PM
mcaplinger QUOTE (Mark6 @ Sep 16 2009, 05:51 AM) Asi... Sep 16 2009, 02:34 PM
Mark6 Does anyone know what are the competing proposals ... Sep 16 2009, 05:56 PM
vjkane QUOTE (Mark6 @ Sep 16 2009, 05:56 PM) Doe... Sep 16 2009, 11:48 PM
volcanopele Another (possible) proposal is the Io Volcano Obse... Sep 16 2009, 07:16 PM
Drkskywxlt I heard this presentation by Dr. Stofan at the Sat... Sep 16 2009, 07:22 PM
Jason W Barnes QUOTE (Drkskywxlt @ Sep 16 2009, 12:22 PM... Sep 16 2009, 07:35 PM
vjkane QUOTE (Drkskywxlt @ Sep 16 2009, 07:22 PM... Sep 16 2009, 11:54 PM
ustrax Wow! Just love the concept...a true vessel on ... Sep 17 2009, 02:29 PM

Paolo QUOTE (ustrax @ Sep 17 2009, 04:29 PM) Eo... Sep 17 2009, 04:31 PM


ustrax Yes Paolo, you're right, and there's also ... Sep 17 2009, 06:16 PM

Mark6 QUOTE (ustrax @ Sep 17 2009, 03:29 PM) Ev... Sep 18 2009, 12:21 PM

Drkskywxlt QUOTE (Mark6 @ Sep 18 2009, 07:21 AM) My ... Sep 18 2009, 01:25 PM

ustrax QUOTE (Mark6 @ Sep 18 2009, 01:21 PM) My ... Sep 18 2009, 01:35 PM

ngunn QUOTE (ustrax @ Sep 18 2009, 02:35 PM) la... Sep 18 2009, 03:04 PM
Drkskywxlt QUOTE (vjkane @ Sep 16 2009, 05:54 PM) Al... Sep 17 2009, 09:24 PM
Jason W Barnes QUOTE (stevesliva @ Sep 16 2009, 01:52 PM... Sep 16 2009, 09:30 PM
Juramike Titan's terrain is pretty varied: If we did p... Sep 16 2009, 09:33 PM
Jason W Barnes QUOTE (Juramike @ Sep 16 2009, 02:33 PM) ... Sep 16 2009, 09:43 PM
stevesliva QUOTE (Juramike @ Sep 16 2009, 04:33 PM) ... Sep 16 2009, 10:51 PM
Jason W Barnes QUOTE (stevesliva @ Sep 16 2009, 03:51 PM... Sep 16 2009, 11:04 PM
ngunn Liquid phase chemistry seems to me the biggest sin... Sep 16 2009, 09:51 PM
Juramike Titan's surface chemistry has the potential to... Sep 17 2009, 12:23 AM
dvandorn In re landing somewhere that you expect precipitat... Sep 17 2009, 12:57 AM
Mariner9 True, at the moment of splash down the probe will ... Sep 17 2009, 02:23 AM
Jason W Barnes QUOTE (Mariner9 @ Sep 16 2009, 08:23 PM) ... Sep 17 2009, 05:45 AM
Juramike Going from a hot environment to a cold environment... Sep 17 2009, 03:37 AM
dvandorn It's a wonderful example of how observing affe... Sep 17 2009, 04:52 AM
Drkskywxlt QUOTE (dvandorn @ Sep 16 2009, 10:52 PM) ... Sep 17 2009, 09:25 PM
dvandorn QUOTE (Drkskywxlt @ Sep 17 2009, 04:25 PM... Sep 18 2009, 12:53 AM
vjkane Like the idea of a Titan boat? Check this out for... Sep 17 2009, 07:14 AM
Juramike I really, really like the dual floater/submersible... Sep 17 2009, 01:40 PM
Fran Ontanaya Maybe the probe could use the residual heat for it... Sep 17 2009, 02:48 PM
antipode What kinds of currents and 'sea' surface c... Sep 18 2009, 12:25 AM
Drkskywxlt QUOTE (antipode @ Sep 17 2009, 07:25 PM) ... Sep 18 2009, 01:30 PM
DFinfrock How about putting some of that "waste" h... Sep 18 2009, 05:29 AM
rlorenz Good to see this topic has stimulated a lot of dis... Sep 19 2009, 12:08 PM
Webscientist I'm in favour of a lander "boat/submarine... Sep 19 2009, 07:37 PM
ngunn QUOTE (Webscientist @ Sep 19 2009, 08:37 ... Sep 19 2009, 09:01 PM
scalbers Here is a nice mission summary:
http://www.spacep... Dec 19 2009, 09:28 PM![]() ![]() |
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