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Titan boat on $450 million - how is it possible? |
Sep 16 2009, 01:51 PM
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Today I heard this on NPR: Exploring a moon by boat
QUOTE The mission could launch around 2016 and be sailing on Titan around 2022 — if this team gets through a highly competitive selection process to get funding from NASA. Stofan and her colleagues are busy working up their proposal for when NASA begins to accept ideas for future Discovery-class missions. Quick Google search on Dr. Stofan's name found this: What Next for Titan? QUOTE Ellen Stofan has a Discovery-class Titan lake lander proposal. I've not seen the presentation, but a friend who has tells me that it is less capable than the ESA lake lander proposed for TSSM. (This would make sense – ESA had a budget of ~$1B for just the lake lander and balloon. Stofan has just $450M and has to fit a carrier craft and launch vehicle into that budget.) The 2007 report did not look at lake landers. I know of Stofan by reputation, and she's highly competent. However, fitting in a carrier, lander (with entry shell), and launch vehicle within a Discovery mission budget seems ambitious. Perhaps this could be done with a New Frontiers budget ($650M with the launch vehicle provided by NASA outside this budget), although the 2007 budget suggested that a budget twice this amount would be needed just for an atmopheric probe. Aside from above quote's understandable skepticism of the Discovery-class price tag, where would plutonium for this mission come from? I thought it is all already allocated? |
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Mark6 Titan boat on $450 million - how is it possible? Sep 16 2009, 01:51 PM
mcaplinger QUOTE (Mark6 @ Sep 16 2009, 05:51 AM) Asi... Sep 16 2009, 02:34 PM
Mark6 Does anyone know what are the competing proposals ... Sep 16 2009, 05:56 PM
vjkane QUOTE (Mark6 @ Sep 16 2009, 05:56 PM) Doe... Sep 16 2009, 11:48 PM
volcanopele Another (possible) proposal is the Io Volcano Obse... Sep 16 2009, 07:16 PM
Drkskywxlt I heard this presentation by Dr. Stofan at the Sat... Sep 16 2009, 07:22 PM
Jason W Barnes QUOTE (Drkskywxlt @ Sep 16 2009, 12:22 PM... Sep 16 2009, 07:35 PM
vjkane QUOTE (Drkskywxlt @ Sep 16 2009, 07:22 PM... Sep 16 2009, 11:54 PM
ustrax Wow! Just love the concept...a true vessel on ... Sep 17 2009, 02:29 PM

Paolo QUOTE (ustrax @ Sep 17 2009, 04:29 PM) Eo... Sep 17 2009, 04:31 PM


ustrax Yes Paolo, you're right, and there's also ... Sep 17 2009, 06:16 PM

Mark6 QUOTE (ustrax @ Sep 17 2009, 03:29 PM) Ev... Sep 18 2009, 12:21 PM

Drkskywxlt QUOTE (Mark6 @ Sep 18 2009, 07:21 AM) My ... Sep 18 2009, 01:25 PM

ustrax QUOTE (Mark6 @ Sep 18 2009, 01:21 PM) My ... Sep 18 2009, 01:35 PM

ngunn QUOTE (ustrax @ Sep 18 2009, 02:35 PM) la... Sep 18 2009, 03:04 PM
Drkskywxlt QUOTE (vjkane @ Sep 16 2009, 05:54 PM) Al... Sep 17 2009, 09:24 PM
stevesliva I'm skeptical that if one were to choose to se... Sep 16 2009, 08:52 PM
Jason W Barnes QUOTE (stevesliva @ Sep 16 2009, 01:52 PM... Sep 16 2009, 09:30 PM
Juramike Titan's terrain is pretty varied: If we did p... Sep 16 2009, 09:33 PM
Jason W Barnes QUOTE (Juramike @ Sep 16 2009, 02:33 PM) ... Sep 16 2009, 09:43 PM
stevesliva QUOTE (Juramike @ Sep 16 2009, 04:33 PM) ... Sep 16 2009, 10:51 PM
Jason W Barnes QUOTE (stevesliva @ Sep 16 2009, 03:51 PM... Sep 16 2009, 11:04 PM
ngunn Liquid phase chemistry seems to me the biggest sin... Sep 16 2009, 09:51 PM
Juramike Titan's surface chemistry has the potential to... Sep 17 2009, 12:23 AM
dvandorn In re landing somewhere that you expect precipitat... Sep 17 2009, 12:57 AM
Mariner9 True, at the moment of splash down the probe will ... Sep 17 2009, 02:23 AM
Jason W Barnes QUOTE (Mariner9 @ Sep 16 2009, 08:23 PM) ... Sep 17 2009, 05:45 AM
Juramike Going from a hot environment to a cold environment... Sep 17 2009, 03:37 AM
dvandorn It's a wonderful example of how observing affe... Sep 17 2009, 04:52 AM
Drkskywxlt QUOTE (dvandorn @ Sep 16 2009, 10:52 PM) ... Sep 17 2009, 09:25 PM
dvandorn QUOTE (Drkskywxlt @ Sep 17 2009, 04:25 PM... Sep 18 2009, 12:53 AM
vjkane Like the idea of a Titan boat? Check this out for... Sep 17 2009, 07:14 AM
Juramike I really, really like the dual floater/submersible... Sep 17 2009, 01:40 PM
Fran Ontanaya Maybe the probe could use the residual heat for it... Sep 17 2009, 02:48 PM
antipode What kinds of currents and 'sea' surface c... Sep 18 2009, 12:25 AM
Drkskywxlt QUOTE (antipode @ Sep 17 2009, 07:25 PM) ... Sep 18 2009, 01:30 PM
DFinfrock How about putting some of that "waste" h... Sep 18 2009, 05:29 AM
rlorenz Good to see this topic has stimulated a lot of dis... Sep 19 2009, 12:08 PM
Webscientist I'm in favour of a lander "boat/submarine... Sep 19 2009, 07:37 PM
ngunn QUOTE (Webscientist @ Sep 19 2009, 08:37 ... Sep 19 2009, 09:01 PM
scalbers Here is a nice mission summary:
http://www.spacep... Dec 19 2009, 09:28 PM![]() ![]() |
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