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Sep 20 2009, 02:05 PM
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This was brought up in the MER forums but I figured it might be useful here where discussion of strategy and planning for missions goes on.
Having visited a DSN station this year I have a new found interest in the amazing mission these sites are tasked with. Unfortunately like everything in these belt-tightening days the DSN is underfunded for what it is they need to accomplish. That said a friend pointed out to me that there is a simple formula to calculate the DSN costs for a mission: Missions calculate DSN costs using this formula: AF = RB [AW (0.9 + FC / 10)] Where: AF = weighted Aperture Fee per hour of use. RB = contact dependent hourly rate, adjusted annually ($1057/hr. for FY09). AW = aperture weighting: = 0.80 for 34m High-Speed Beam Waveguide (HSB) stations. = 1.00 for all other 34m stations (i.e., 34m BWG and 34m HEF). = 4.00 for 70m stations. FC = number of station contacts, (contacts per calendar week). Online tools available: DSN Aperture Fee Tool - Excel file 706k DSN Services Catalogue - PDF 675k The DSN is so critical to nearly everything we discuss here. Everyone should take the time to learn more about it, and if possible try to schedule a visit or tour. The people who work there are the unsung heroes of the headline grabbing feats that NASA and JPL accomplish. http://deepspace.jpl.nasa.gov/ -------------------- If Occam had heard my theory, things would be very different now.
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Sep 20 2009, 09:24 PM
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![]() Senior Member ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 3419 Joined: 9-February 04 From: Minneapolis, MN, USA Member No.: 15 |
I would guess that the answer to how much of the MERs' extended mission costs are DSN costs incurred for uplinks and paid to the MODY /MRO project teams for their relay services lies in the detailed budget accounting. Is the detailed budget data (down to line item) for the MER extensions available publicly? That would be quite instructive, I would think.
It would also be good to see budget detail at that level for other missions, like Cassini, New Horizons and LRO (to name but a few) to see just what the percentage of operations costs commonly consist of DSN charges. -the other Doug -------------------- “The trouble ain't that there is too many fools, but that the lightning ain't distributed right.” -Mark Twain
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Sep 21 2009, 02:57 PM
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It would also be good to see budget detail at that level for other missions, like Cassini, New Horizons and LRO (to name but a few)... It turns out that LRO doesn't use the DSN, it uses a Ka-band system that GSFC built in White Sands, NM. http://cio.gsfc.nasa.gov/centers/goddard/p...main_GV3_16.pdf Some proposed lunar missions I know of planned to use Universal Space Network's system -- http://www.uspacenetwork.com/index.html -- obviously lunar missions don't need big antennas. -------------------- Disclaimer: This post is based on public information only. Any opinions are my own.
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ElkGroveDan Deep Space Network Sep 20 2009, 02:05 PM
vjkane In the case of Spirit and Opportunity, the DSN cos... Sep 20 2009, 05:43 PM
djellison The majority of uplink is still done directly to t... Sep 20 2009, 08:37 PM
tedstryk You act as though the DSN is getting rich off of t... Sep 21 2009, 02:41 PM

djellison QUOTE (tedstryk @ Sep 21 2009, 03:41 PM) ... Sep 21 2009, 04:18 PM

centsworth_II QUOTE (tedstryk @ Sep 21 2009, 09:41 AM) ... Sep 21 2009, 05:25 PM
mcaplinger I think you guys are overreacting to some natural ... Sep 21 2009, 05:07 PM
Greg Hullender It would be interesting to see, per mission, how t... Sep 21 2009, 05:50 PM
tedstryk I know it exists in the proposals (Discovery, etc.... Sep 21 2009, 06:17 PM

mcaplinger QUOTE (tedstryk @ Sep 21 2009, 10:17 AM) ... Sep 21 2009, 06:27 PM

centsworth_II QUOTE (mcaplinger @ Sep 21 2009, 01:27 PM... Sep 21 2009, 06:42 PM

djellison QUOTE (mcaplinger @ Sep 21 2009, 07:27 PM... Sep 21 2009, 07:56 PM
mcaplinger QUOTE (Greg Hullender @ Sep 21 2009, 09:5... Sep 21 2009, 06:22 PM
djellison To be fair - the calculations for DSN time are fro... Sep 21 2009, 06:24 PM
mcaplinger QUOTE (djellison @ Sep 21 2009, 10:24 AM)... Sep 21 2009, 06:29 PM
climber Talking about being a fan.
To me the 3 letters of... Sep 21 2009, 08:29 PM
centsworth_II QUOTE (climber @ Sep 21 2009, 04:29 PM) T... Sep 21 2009, 09:34 PM
dvandorn When I said "attack" I meant to aggressi... Sep 21 2009, 08:33 PM
mcaplinger QUOTE (dvandorn @ Sep 21 2009, 12:33 PM) ... Sep 21 2009, 08:45 PM
Stu QUOTE (mcaplinger @ Sep 21 2009, 09:45 PM... Sep 21 2009, 09:12 PM
dvandorn QUOTE (mcaplinger @ Sep 21 2009, 03:45 PM... Sep 21 2009, 09:20 PM
djellison QUOTE (dvandorn @ Sep 21 2009, 10:20 PM) ... Sep 21 2009, 09:37 PM
dvandorn You typed your breakdown while I was typing my res... Sep 21 2009, 08:49 PM
djellison It wasn't an especially considered or ambiguou... Sep 21 2009, 09:16 PM
dvandorn QUOTE (djellison @ Sep 21 2009, 04:16 PM)... Sep 21 2009, 09:38 PM
Greg Hullender QUOTE (dvandorn @ Sep 21 2009, 01:38 PM) ... Sep 21 2009, 09:50 PM
dvandorn Again, sorry -- writing posts and getting interrup... Sep 21 2009, 09:40 PM
Greg Hullender What made a "DSN in space" idea attracti... Sep 21 2009, 09:44 PM
dvandorn Wow! That's a lot, Greg. Of course, MS h... Sep 21 2009, 10:38 PM
stevesliva QUOTE (dvandorn @ Sep 21 2009, 05:38 PM) ... Sep 21 2009, 10:53 PM
ElkGroveDan QUOTE (dvandorn @ Sep 21 2009, 02:38 PM) ... Sep 22 2009, 12:37 AM
helvick Also to back up what Greg said earlier - the salar... Sep 22 2009, 08:01 AM
djellison Plus the unusual extra that you don't have in ... Sep 22 2009, 09:18 AM
Greg Hullender This also helps explain why Alan Stern was so plea... Sep 22 2009, 03:22 PM
nprev If the total annual O&M budget of MER is only ... Sep 22 2009, 10:54 PM
Greg Hullender QUOTE (nprev @ Sep 22 2009, 03:54 PM) MER... Sep 23 2009, 04:07 AM![]() ![]() |
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