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Oxygen estimate in Europa's subsurface Ocean, Spoiler alert: More than in ours |
Oct 9 2009, 09:52 PM
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Now being picked up by the news, but here is the original press release regarding an estimate of oxygen in Europa's subsurface ocean:
http://dps.aas.org/press/2009/Greenberg_9_October_2009.pdf So how could this estimate affect the instrument package for the Jupiter-Europa flagship mission? Are there ways to quantify oxygen in fresher ice from orbit? (RADAR determination? Weird dielectric properties? Metal oxidation states? Rust?) -------------------- Some higher resolution images available at my photostream: http://www.flickr.com/photos/31678681@N07/
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Oct 12 2009, 01:23 PM
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The oxygen atmosphere and oxygen in the subsurface ocean both would originate from irradiation of the the surface ice.
The solar wind (and other ionizing radiation) penetrates a little into the surface ices and causes the some water molecules to break up and form oxygen (probably in the form of reactive oxygen species to start off with) encapsulated in ice. As the ice falls into cracks or gets recycled into the subsurface ocean, the ice matrix melts and effectively releases oxygen and other oxidizing species. ...which can then run around and oxidize up any of the other species that exist in the water. So when the water shoots up from underneath, there might be a plethora of oxidized compounds (sulfates rather than sulfides) sitting in "stains" on the surface. 'Course any stuff from Io painting up Europa (IIRC these would be sulfides from Io) would get oxidized up by the surface ices (kinetics????), but that should be a fairly diffuse background. -------------------- Some higher resolution images available at my photostream: http://www.flickr.com/photos/31678681@N07/
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Oct 12 2009, 03:26 PM
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To me it sounds a bit far fetched but i'm no mathematician or physics expert so i cant comment about this hypothesis...i would think the thickness of the ice layer would affect to what extent this process oygenates the underlying water ocean?! The fact that Io can be a source of sulphates detected on the surface of Europa,there's no way of finding out by an orbiter (except pattern of distribution)unless we have direct sampling of the water underneath Europas crust?? |
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Juramike Oxygen estimate in Europa's subsurface Ocean Oct 9 2009, 09:52 PM
Juramike Thinking about this some more, it would also imply... Oct 9 2009, 10:07 PM
nprev It's an interesting proposition, but I'm a... Oct 10 2009, 05:00 AM
MarsIsImportant Yeah, we definitely need a robotic mission to Euro... Oct 12 2009, 03:13 AM
centsworth_II QUOTE (MarsIsImportant @ Oct 11 2009, 10... Oct 12 2009, 06:15 AM
Hungry4info Please realise that the Jovian environment isn... Oct 12 2009, 03:54 AM
nprev Let's kinda reel this in a bit. Think what Mik... Oct 12 2009, 06:48 AM
Julius I believe the thin oxygen atmosphere was attibuted... Oct 12 2009, 10:34 AM
MarsIsImportant Remote sensing is good...but when you talk about g... Oct 13 2009, 06:40 AM
nprev See here for a good thread on Europa landers/subs/... Oct 13 2009, 07:19 AM
Juramike I keep thinking of a place like Conamara Chaos and... Oct 13 2009, 11:19 AM
Julius For sure it would be sensible if we're sending... Oct 13 2009, 12:50 PM
Juramike I'm guessing a sequence of missions to Europa:... Oct 13 2009, 02:11 PM
john_s QUOTE (Juramike @ Oct 9 2009, 10:52 PM) A... Oct 13 2009, 02:53 PM
nprev Aha! Thanks, John. Interesting. So high-res vi... Oct 13 2009, 03:14 PM
MarsIsImportant There is no need to drill to get the submersible t... Oct 13 2009, 03:14 PM
infocat13 Does not ' LIFE" as we know it faver cert... Oct 15 2009, 01:10 AM
Juramike Hmmmm. Thinking this through from a purely physic... Oct 15 2009, 03:48 AM
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