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Aug 27 2005, 01:05 AM
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Bob, the really big qualitative difference between Phoenix and the MERs is that the latter were designed primarily to investigate ROCKS (for which you have to travel long distances horizontally), while Phoenix is designed to investigate SOIL -- which is far more evenly mixed in the horizontal dimension.
This was a major consideration in the design of Polar Lander. I have several 1995 documents from its science definition team during their consideration of its proper payload, which stated that its single most important goal was to look at the makeup of "evenly mixed substances" on Mars -- namely, the soil and the atmosphere -- for the clues they could provide on the very-long-term climate history of Mars over its entire global extent. Rocks were described as very minor scientifically for MPL. Phoenix has exactly the same traits, except that it will place more emphasis than MPL would have on the biological habitability of the near-surface ice layer. By the way, the science groups determining the exploration strategy for Europa have also emphasized that the need for horizontal mobility on Europa is relatively trivial -- it's vertical mobility that is of overwhelming importance there. It will be a long time before we see any Europa rover. |
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Aug 27 2005, 02:27 AM
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Bruce, I really wonder about that. I really think Phoenix, while a cool mission, will sudder from the MER comparison and cause a lot of people to sit back and say "No immobile missions anymore."
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remcook Phoenix Site Jan 22 2005, 01:21 PM
tedstryk Thanks for the link! This is much better than ... Jan 22 2005, 01:34 PM
BruceMoomaw Indeed it is -- although the other previous one ( ... Jan 22 2005, 07:34 PM
BruceMoomaw From Doug Lombardi:
"We have made a slight ... Feb 2 2005, 02:01 AM
Gsnorgathon Bruce -
Do you know if there are any plans for fl... Feb 2 2005, 07:29 AM
YesRushGen Regarding the patchyness of the ice mantle, they s... Feb 2 2005, 03:40 PM
tedstryk The payload wouldn't survive a MER landing. A... Feb 2 2005, 03:46 PM
djellison QUOTE (YesRushGen @ Feb 2 2005, 03:40 PM)The ... Feb 2 2005, 03:51 PM
TheChemist I have much appreciated the MERs after reading the... Feb 2 2005, 05:16 PM
BruceMoomaw In reply to Gsnorgathon: I believe (although I... Feb 5 2005, 09:26 PM
Gsnorgathon Thanks, Bruce. Guess we'll just have to be pat... Feb 6 2005, 12:52 AM
tedstryk Some Phoenix SSI info (courtesy the SSI team). Th... Feb 7 2005, 06:05 AM
RedSky I ran across this page of the Phoenix landing anim... Aug 24 2005, 05:00 AM
helvick That link led me to dig around on the site a bit a... Aug 24 2005, 06:08 PM
Redstone QUOTE (RedSky @ Aug 24 2005, 05:00 AM)I ran a... Aug 24 2005, 08:17 PM
BruceMoomaw I'm very skeptical of that part about the land... Aug 25 2005, 12:17 AM
Decepticon The lander will only last a few months!?
I fi... Aug 25 2005, 01:08 AM
ElkGroveDan QUOTE (Decepticon @ Aug 25 2005, 01:08 AM)The... Aug 25 2005, 03:49 AM
jamescanvin QUOTE (ElkGroveDan @ Aug 25 2005, 01:49 PM)Ph... Aug 25 2005, 04:38 AM
tedstryk QUOTE (jamescanvin @ Aug 25 2005, 04:38 AM)It... Aug 25 2005, 11:34 PM
BruceMoomaw Yes, the problem with this one (as with Polar Land... Aug 25 2005, 05:18 AM
tedstryk QUOTE (BruceMoomaw @ Aug 25 2005, 05:18 AM)An... Aug 25 2005, 11:33 PM
edstrick I really wish it were possible to put minimal craw... Aug 25 2005, 08:29 AM
helvick QUOTE (edstrick @ Aug 25 2005, 09:29 AM)That ... Aug 25 2005, 09:49 AM
akuo But Phoenix has a real microscope and even an atom... Aug 25 2005, 09:02 AM
BruceMoomaw Actually, there is one real reason to wish it had ... Aug 25 2005, 08:25 PM
Gsnorgathon QUOTE (BruceMoomaw @ Aug 25 2005, 08:25 PM)Ac... Aug 26 2005, 07:33 AM
djellison QUOTE (Gsnorgathon @ Aug 26 2005, 07:33 AM)Is... Aug 26 2005, 07:47 AM
Decepticon Another issue I have is the depth that the lander ... Aug 26 2005, 12:21 AM
tedstryk QUOTE (Decepticon @ Aug 26 2005, 12:21 AM)Ano... Aug 26 2005, 12:52 AM
BruceMoomaw Yep -- and I can tell you they're virtually ce... Aug 26 2005, 03:04 AM
BruceMoomaw I've been told flatly by Peter Smith: can... Aug 26 2005, 01:01 PM
tedstryk Again I will say, lets be honest. We are image ju... Aug 26 2005, 02:06 PM
paxdan QUOTE (tedstryk @ Aug 26 2005, 03:06 PM)Again... Aug 26 2005, 10:36 PM
Bob Shaw Imagine if Phoenix had set down where Opportunity ... Aug 26 2005, 10:47 PM
helvick QUOTE (paxdan @ Aug 26 2005, 11:36 PM)...but ... Aug 26 2005, 11:17 PM
elakdawalla QUOTE (helvick @ Aug 26 2005, 04:17 PM)As one... Aug 27 2005, 12:19 AM
gpurcell I agree..but I also think we're going to find ... Aug 26 2005, 02:50 PM
Decepticon Can phoenix be put into Hibernation during the win... Aug 26 2005, 02:54 PM
Gsnorgathon I dunno if there will be a rise 15 meters away, or... Aug 26 2005, 08:33 PM
BruceMoomaw It can't be put into hiberation any more than ... Aug 26 2005, 09:19 PM
Bob Shaw QUOTE (BruceMoomaw @ Aug 27 2005, 02:05 AM)Bo... Aug 27 2005, 01:15 AM

algorimancer QUOTE (Bob Shaw @ Aug 26 2005, 08:15 PM)As fo... Aug 30 2005, 06:07 PM
helvick QUOTE (gpurcell @ Aug 27 2005, 03:27 AM)Bruce... Aug 27 2005, 05:31 AM
BruceMoomaw Once again: the reason they're willing to fly ... Aug 27 2005, 05:05 AM
BruceMoomaw Network missions aside (and of course very small l... Aug 28 2005, 12:30 AM
RNeuhaus I think that the "main problem" of the P... Aug 29 2005, 03:23 PM
djellison QUOTE (RNeuhaus @ Aug 29 2005, 03:23 PM)1) la... Aug 29 2005, 03:36 PM
RNeuhaus QUOTE (djellison @ Aug 29 2005, 10:36 AM)1) C... Aug 29 2005, 03:56 PM
tedstryk QUOTE (djellison @ Aug 29 2005, 03:36 PM)1) C... Aug 29 2005, 04:50 PM
djellison Phoenix is important as a GRS groundtruth for near... Aug 29 2005, 04:01 PM
Phil Stooke Bruce said:
"As a way to investigate Meridia... Aug 29 2005, 04:31 PM
tedstryk QUOTE (Phil Stooke @ Aug 29 2005, 04:31 PM)Br... Aug 29 2005, 04:53 PM
vjkane2000 QUOTE (tedstryk @ Aug 29 2005, 09:53 AM)we ne... Aug 29 2005, 11:08 PM
tedstryk QUOTE (vjkane2000 @ Aug 29 2005, 11:08 PM)Whi... Aug 30 2005, 12:27 AM
BruceMoomaw Yeah -- it was actually sloppy language on my part... Aug 29 2005, 05:26 PM
tedstryk QUOTE (BruceMoomaw @ Aug 29 2005, 05:26 PM)Ye... Aug 29 2005, 08:43 PM
BruceMoomaw Detection of relatively recently exposed ice -- or... Aug 30 2005, 06:24 PM
craigmcg what impact will the descent thrusters have on the... Aug 31 2005, 01:06 AM
Bob Shaw QUOTE (craigmcg @ Aug 31 2005, 02:06 AM)what ... Aug 31 2005, 11:19 AM
Marcel QUOTE (craigmcg @ Aug 31 2005, 01:06 AM)what ... Aug 31 2005, 12:13 PM
djellison "As the ice starts advancing off Mars’ northe... Aug 31 2005, 01:56 PM
Marcel QUOTE (djellison @ Aug 31 2005, 01:56 PM)... Aug 31 2005, 02:17 PM
RNeuhaus The Phoenix's probably specific landing site w... Aug 31 2005, 04:42 PM![]() ![]() |
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