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Nov 7 2009, 09:20 AM
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Will Cassini ever do a radar survey of Saturn proper?
Due to declining fuel and RTG power, the ability to do so decreases with time. It is my understanding that in the Equinox orbits that there is a possibility for up to 3 close approaches of the dark side with RADAR in its lower resolution modes. It is also my understanding that not that much reprogramming would be needed -- as the radar system has been fully mastered. The risks of doing a radar swath would not increase substantially, versus any other close moon approach. ADMIN - Thread title changed for clarity. |
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Nov 7 2009, 09:41 AM
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What mode of Radar, and for what purpose. What question are you trying to answer with such an observation?
Via Radiometer mode, I'm sure it already has been point at Saturn itself a great deal. |
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| Guest_Max Power_* |
Nov 7 2009, 09:54 AM
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What mode of Radar, and for what purpose. What question are you trying to answer with such an observation? Via Radiometer mode, I'm sure it already has been point at Saturn itself a great deal. There is not a single press release or scientific research paper to provide proof that this has been done. A SAR RADAR survey of Saturn has not been done. Only about 3 low rez SAR surveys would be needed, as its inner core can't be that interesting. The RADAR system is mutli-modal, so a single swath could see a lot. |
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Nov 7 2009, 10:03 AM
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There is not a single press release or scientific research paper to provide proof that this has been done. http://www.cosis.net/abstracts/EGU06/05222...a619eee9e66d294 QUOTE The thermal emission from Saturn’s atmosphere was mapped over most of its globe using the passive radiometer that is part of the Cassini RADAR instrument. The ra- diometer operates at a frequency of 13.78 GHz, or 2.18-cm wavelength, and uses the spacecraft’s main communication antenna to form a beam of 0.37o width at half power. Someone who knows more about the different modes with Cassini's radar may be able to give you more information, but by gut feeling is that SAR mode radar at Saturn itself wouldn't return anything as the range to and density of material on the way to a Saturnian core are both too high. The short answer - the reason they've not mapped Saturns core with the RADAR is because I don't think they can. If they could - I'm sure they would have tried. |
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| Guest_Max Power_* |
Nov 7 2009, 10:33 AM
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http://www.cosis.net/abstracts/EGU06/05222...a619eee9e66d294 Someone who knows more about the different modes with Cassini's radar may be able to give you more information, but by gut feeling is that SAR mode radar at Saturn itself wouldn't return anything as the range to and density of material on the way to a Saturnian core are both too high. The short answer - the reason they've not mapped Saturns core with the RADAR is because I don't think they can. If they could - I'm sure they would have tried. What you quote above is a passive radar study, not a core targeted SAR survey. The highest rez SAR mode is out of the question, but all the other lower rez SAR modes will provide something -- if only the slushy reflections back due to the soppy He-H layer interactions (convection if you will) thought to be taking place. Bouncing SAR radar at somewhat close range at the soppy inner parts of the gas planets has not been done or even tried. The worst that could happen is total absorption of all the radar energy... |
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Nov 7 2009, 04:41 PM
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Max Power SAR or other Radar investigation of Saturn Nov 7 2009, 09:20 AM
ngunn I know the numbers don't reflect current membe... Nov 7 2009, 09:57 AM
imipak QUOTE (djellison @ Nov 7 2009, 11:03 AM) ... Nov 7 2009, 03:05 PM
Greg Hullender This might be more interesting during those final ... Nov 8 2009, 01:28 AM
nprev Yeah...I was thinking that a SAR pass of the rings... Nov 8 2009, 01:42 AM
Greg Hullender QUOTE (nprev @ Nov 7 2009, 05:42 PM) . . ... Nov 8 2009, 04:57 AM
alan OT: just noticed the forum passed a milestone, Max... Nov 8 2009, 02:36 AM
Greg Hullender QUOTE (alan @ Nov 7 2009, 06:36 PM) OT: j... Nov 10 2009, 04:59 PM
nprev Thanks for the reminder, Greg. I've no doubt t... Nov 8 2009, 09:00 AM
Greg Hullender QUOTE (nprev @ Nov 8 2009, 01:00 AM) Than... Nov 8 2009, 04:01 PM
djellison FWIW - current actual members = 2142. So 2850+ re... Nov 8 2009, 10:31 AM
sgendreau QUOTE (djellison @ Nov 8 2009, 02:31 AM) ... Nov 8 2009, 03:11 PM
rlorenz QUOTE (Max Power @ Nov 7 2009, 04:20 AM) ... Nov 8 2009, 12:07 PM
elakdawalla QUOTE (rlorenz @ Nov 8 2009, 04:07 AM) We... Nov 8 2009, 07:43 PM
Greg Hullender QUOTE (rlorenz @ Nov 8 2009, 04:07 AM) We... Nov 10 2009, 05:02 PM
Den QUOTE (rlorenz @ Nov 8 2009, 01:07 PM) We... Nov 16 2009, 02:56 PM
rlorenz QUOTE (Den @ Nov 16 2009, 09:56 AM) There... Dec 23 2009, 01:39 AM
machi I think, that there is possibility of some radar r... Nov 8 2009, 06:23 PM
nprev Certainly, but how much useful information can be ... Nov 8 2009, 07:21 PM
Greg Hullender QUOTE (nprev @ Nov 8 2009, 11:21 AM) Cert... Nov 9 2009, 04:36 PM
vjkane I believe that a key goal of the termination orbit... Nov 9 2009, 08:35 PM
Greg Hullender QUOTE (vjkane @ Nov 9 2009, 12:35 PM) I b... Nov 10 2009, 01:49 AM
nprev QUOTE My guess is not nearly enough to justify suc... Nov 10 2009, 02:37 AM![]() ![]() |
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