AVIATR - Titan Airplane Mission Concept, Proposed unmanned aerial exploration of Titan |
AVIATR - Titan Airplane Mission Concept, Proposed unmanned aerial exploration of Titan |
Apr 16 2010, 12:20 AM
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The AVIATR mission concept is an unmanned aerial vehicle that would fly over Titan’s surface. It’s nominal one year mission would enable detailed high-resolution images of Titan’s diverse landscapes for better comparison to Earth’s geological processes. Selected regions could be imaged at resolutions near 30 cm/pixel, equivalent to current HiRise imaging of Mars. In addition, atmospheric sampling would allow a profile of Titan’s thick lower atmosphere and how it relates to Earth’s atmospheric processes and weather systems.
Further details of the AVIATR mission concept were presented at the Lunar and Planetary Sciences Conference 2010 and at Titan Through Time 2010. See: Barnes et al. LPSC 41 (2010) Abstract 2551. “AVIATR: Aerial Vehicle for In-situ and Airborne Titan Reconnaissance.” Freely available here: http://www.lpi.usra.edu/meetings/lpsc2010/pdf/2551.pdf And also: http://www.info.uidaho.edu/documents/2010%...18467&doc=1 -------------------- Some higher resolution images available at my photostream: http://www.flickr.com/photos/31678681@N07/
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Jul 12 2010, 08:58 PM
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Forgive my ignorance, but shouldn't the resolution just be a simple calculation from the field of view, the distance to Titan, and the dimension of the camera in pixels? I realize SAR isn't quite the same as a simple picture, but can it be THAT different?
The discussion of how accurate things need to be reminds me of something a senior astronomy major told me when I was a freshman at Caltech back in the 1970s: Mathematicians insist on exact answers. Pi is NOT 3.1416 Chemists and Engineers generally settle for a few parts per thousand error. Physicists are happy to get the order of magnitude right. Except Astro-Physicists, who just want to get the order of magnitude of the order of magnitude right. And Computer Scientists only need to know if it's zero or not. --Greg :-) |
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Jul 12 2010, 11:21 PM
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Forgive my ignorance, but shouldn't the resolution just be a simple calculation from the field of view, the distance to Titan, and the dimension of the camera in pixels? I realize SAR isn't quite the same as a simple picture, but can it be THAT different? Short answer: yes. The real problem, though, and one that is quite common, is that what you're describing is the pixel scale. It is not the resolution. Resolution is the smallest thing that you can resolve, which is always larger than a pixel. In fact the theoretical minimum is 2 pixels. Experience with HiRISE is that about 3 pixels is what it really takes to resolve an object. Take Cassini ISS looking at Titan, for instance. You can do the calculation that you describe, and calculate the pixel scale. But no matter how small the pixels are, you can't achieve a true resolution better than 1 km. The atmospheric haze scatters too much to do any better. Which is why, even with Ralph's discussion, I am still convinced that with 300m properly-sampled RADAR "pixels", the RESOLUTION is ~750m. - Jason |
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Juramike AVIATR - Titan Airplane Mission Concept Apr 16 2010, 12:20 AM
Juramike This is an artist's impression of the AVIATR a... Apr 16 2010, 12:23 AM
nprev ...niiiiiiiice!!!! Sweet image, Mi... Apr 16 2010, 12:33 AM
vjkane Also check out http://futureplanets.blogspot.com/2... Apr 16 2010, 06:08 AM
Juramike Image showing the proposed AVIATR Titan airplane f... Apr 20 2010, 03:14 AM
Juramike Recent video showing NASA's Global Hawk UAV re... Apr 30 2010, 01:12 PM
Juramike Smithsonian Air and Space article on Titan AVIATR ... May 20 2010, 05:35 PM
Juramike Video of Jason Barnes presenting the AVIATR missio... Jun 13 2010, 03:32 AM
Juramike Future Planetary Exploration blog entry on AVIATR ... Jun 17 2010, 01:44 PM
algorimancer I'm really bothered by the very low (2 Gb) pro... Jun 23 2010, 01:30 PM
Jason W Barnes QUOTE (algorimancer @ Jun 23 2010, 06:30 ... Jun 28 2010, 03:51 AM

algorimancer QUOTE (Jason W Barnes @ Jun 27 2010, 10:5... Jun 28 2010, 05:45 PM
Jason W Barnes QUOTE (algorimancer @ Jun 23 2010, 06:30 ... Jun 28 2010, 04:07 AM
rlorenz QUOTE (Jason W Barnes @ Jun 27 2010, 11:0... Jul 11 2010, 02:45 PM
Jason W Barnes QUOTE (rlorenz @ Jul 11 2010, 07:45 AM) H... Jul 12 2010, 01:29 AM
rlorenz QUOTE (Jason W Barnes @ Jul 11 2010, 09:2... Jul 12 2010, 12:20 PM
djellison You're not going to get 30cm resolution from o... Jun 23 2010, 04:16 PM
Drkskywxlt QUOTE (djellison @ Jun 23 2010, 11:16 AM)... Jun 23 2010, 05:08 PM
Jason W Barnes QUOTE (djellison @ Jun 23 2010, 09:16 AM)... Jun 28 2010, 04:23 AM
stevesliva Note that the figure is two gigabytes, and calling... Jun 23 2010, 04:52 PM
djellison I was going from http://mars.jpl.nasa.gov/mro/ (b... Jun 23 2010, 06:00 PM
Drkskywxlt QUOTE (djellison @ Jun 23 2010, 01:00 PM)... Jun 23 2010, 06:25 PM
djellison The internet hates me. Jun 23 2010, 06:27 PM
algorimancer Doug, my intent wasn't to suggest 30mm/pixel r... Jun 23 2010, 08:18 PM
jekbradbury It's certainly a shame the mass spectrometer c... Jun 28 2010, 02:59 PM
Jason W Barnes QUOTE (jekbradbury @ Jun 28 2010, 07:59 A... Jun 29 2010, 10:15 PM
Juramike AVIATR image posted in Planetaria blog:
http://we... Jun 30 2010, 04:54 PM
Drkskywxlt Jason (or anybody in the know) --
What is the exp... Jun 30 2010, 05:35 PM
Jason W Barnes QUOTE (Drkskywxlt @ Jun 30 2010, 10:35 AM... Jul 1 2010, 08:27 PM
Jason W Barnes Another point of comparison for missions' data... Jul 9 2010, 08:30 AM
rlorenz QUOTE (Jason W Barnes @ Jul 12 2010, 06:2... Jul 13 2010, 12:46 AM
nprev Speaking as a layperson, very interesting discussi... Jul 13 2010, 01:00 AM
Greg Hullender I think I see. Part of my confusion is that, in th... Jul 13 2010, 02:33 PM
vjkane Properly speaking, resolution should be interprete... Jul 13 2010, 09:08 PM
rlorenz QUOTE (Greg Hullender @ Jul 13 2010, 10:3... Jul 14 2010, 04:54 PM
Juramike Artists impression of AVIATR aeroshell and parachu... Sep 7 2010, 03:58 AM
Juramike Artistic impression of AVIATR Titan Airplane over ... Sep 28 2010, 03:28 AM
Juramike Reworked some of the AVIATR images with the latest... Jun 10 2011, 01:11 AM
Juramike Link to OPAG AVIATR mission presentation slides by... Nov 19 2011, 06:16 PM
ngunn Some of your images there Mike? Don't be shy... Nov 19 2011, 10:58 PM
nprev Nice. I'd like to see this one fly (literally)... Nov 20 2011, 12:23 AM
Jason W Barnes QUOTE (nprev @ Nov 19 2011, 06:23 PM) Onl... Nov 24 2011, 01:39 AM
stevesliva Uses an ASRG now. First nuclear plane. That... Nov 20 2011, 03:53 AM
nprev Ah! Thanks, Jason; feelin' warmer & fu... Nov 24 2011, 01:59 AM
Mongo I wonder if, instead of a virtually financially im... Nov 26 2011, 02:35 AM
Paolo QUOTE (Mongo @ Nov 26 2011, 03:35 AM) I a... Nov 26 2011, 05:07 PM
vjkane QUOTE (Mongo @ Nov 25 2011, 06:35 PM) I w... Dec 24 2011, 09:46 PM
vjkane Your idea of a number of lower cost missions has b... Nov 26 2011, 05:00 PM
nprev Guys, in the name of keeping this thread on topic,... Nov 26 2011, 05:09 PM
Jason W Barnes The AVIATR team has published a paper about the mi... Dec 23 2011, 11:25 PM
vjkane Jason - Has your team every looked into including... Dec 24 2011, 06:02 AM
stevesliva Interesting that the Mongolfiere requires an MMRTG... Dec 24 2011, 02:43 AM
Greg Hullender We're looking far enough in the future that la... Dec 25 2011, 07:13 PM
nprev (sigh)...Guys, once again, please keep this thread... Dec 25 2011, 10:26 PM
Juramike AVIATR mission concept written up in Universe Toda... Jan 3 2012, 02:06 AM
Juramike space.com article: http://www.space.com/14191-tit... Jan 11 2012, 04:48 PM
nprev Great write-up & illustrations. Congrats, Jaso... Jan 11 2012, 06:22 PM![]() ![]() |
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