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Nov 17 2010, 12:00 AM
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Had one of those 'woah' moments just now. Looked at the 1.4km distance to Santa Maria while thinking "Oh, that's not so far now. Shouldn't take more than a few weeks."
Then I remembered that 1400m distance is over twice the mission success criterion. |
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Nov 17 2010, 12:16 AM
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Nov 17 2010, 06:02 AM
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Nov 17 2010, 07:08 AM
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Some future alien explorers might deduce that Oppy dodged that one!
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Nov 17 2010, 08:22 PM
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![]() The Poet Dude ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Moderator Posts: 5551 Joined: 15-March 04 From: Kendal, Cumbria, UK Member No.: 60 |
'Road to Endeavour' blog updated: http://roadtoendeavour.wordpress.com/2010/...km-and-counting
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Nov 17 2010, 09:30 PM
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![]() Senior Member ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 1089 Joined: 19-February 05 From: Close to Meudon Observatory in France Member No.: 172 |
Sunrise Over Endeavour this morning... (hope you don't mind me using crop of your gorgeous panorama, James) WOW ! My dream is becoming true ! Here is the link to this fantastic image http://roadtoendeavour.wordpress.com/2010/...over-endeavour/ |
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Nov 17 2010, 10:52 PM
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Senior Member ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 3516 Joined: 4-November 05 From: North Wales Member No.: 542 |
I like that image too, and I have no quarrel with the notion of artistic license. In fact I think artists should have the license/freedom to do almost anything
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Nov 18 2010, 01:12 AM
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Senior Member ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 1063 Joined: 17-February 09 Member No.: 4605 |
It's simply below the resolving power of Pancam or Navcam to make any meaningful interpretation. Hortonheardawho did some full filter ratio analysis on this with some interesting results. The reflectance of the stain is pronounced in the ultraviolet as opposed to surrounding soil, and a sample of clean deck. He and others on the yellow forum have also identified when the stain started (bottom of Victoria crater) and that it initiated with a feature just visible behind the sundial which then spread. Most likely a dark material spread by wind and covered/uncovered by the ubiquitous dust. It is disappointing that JPL have not bothered to investigate this, or if they have that they did not think it worth mentioning. They would have all the spectral responses for the pancam filters and it would be interesting to know the makeup of whatever the stain is. Surely anything unusual associated with the Rovers is worth investigating. |
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Nov 18 2010, 01:18 AM
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![]() Senior Member ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 4260 Joined: 17-January 05 Member No.: 152 |
The simplest explanation is that it's an area almost clear of dust. Comparing the spectrum with other almost clear areas of the panels is tricky, even if you used the calibrated data. Thin films of dust could affect the spectrum.
We'd need pretty good reasons to contemplate a new material not seen elsewhere. |
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Nov 18 2010, 02:07 AM
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![]() Senior Member ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Admin Posts: 3108 Joined: 21-December 05 From: Canberra, Australia Member No.: 615 |
ADMIN HAT ON...
I think I'd like to see discussion on the so-scalled "stain" to stop here for now. There's no further information that anyone can draw upon and any so-scalled "analysis" by the armchair explorers among us is working from less than the full spread of information that will one day be available through various sources. If it's something worth investigating then the mission team will definitely let us know. There is plenty of "discussion and speculation" going on in other forums, so I believe it can continue there. At the moment it's cluttering up the "On to Santa Maria!" thread and does not deserve a thread of its own. Remember that you can always just PM each other if you want to discuss it further. For now, like Opportunity, let's move on! |
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Nov 18 2010, 02:15 AM
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Nov 18 2010, 03:26 AM
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From Maxwell:
QUOTE Going ahead with thisol's drive despite lack of HAZCAMs. Not a risk we'd take every day, but taking it today. Commanding 140m, ~130m likely.
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Nov 18 2010, 03:49 AM
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Merciless Robot ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Admin Posts: 8789 Joined: 8-December 05 From: Los Angeles Member No.: 602 |
I know I'm gonna sound stupid for asking this, but are the hazcams all right? I assume Scott means that they just didn't get the images down, but it's scarily-phrased.
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Nov 18 2010, 03:52 AM
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Remember, Nick, this is Twitter. No room for detail. I think we can be quite confident that he meant "lack of Hazcam images in the downlinked data." And geez, do we need another warning about overinterpreting Scott's tweets?
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Nov 18 2010, 04:33 AM
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