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mhoward
post Feb 11 2005, 01:31 PM
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This thread is for discussion, questions, issues with Midnight Mars Browser. Also to announce it in case anyone missed it: http://midnightmarsbrowser.blogspot.com. Oh, and any suggestions for future enhancements too, thanks.
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TheChemist
post Feb 11 2005, 01:55 PM
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Mike thanks for this very useful application.
It works like a charm on a WinMe machine using Java 2 (v1.5.0) from Sun.
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post Feb 11 2005, 04:01 PM
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This is MOST awesome - !!!!

Any idea how many gigs the ENTIRE set is so far, before I try to download the whole mission and kill my laptop?


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post Feb 11 2005, 04:28 PM
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QUOTE (lyford @ Feb 11 2005, 04:01 PM)
Any idea how many gigs the ENTIRE set is so far, before I try to download the whole mission and kill my laptop?

TheChemist, you might be the first to test it on Java 1.5, I'm glad it works! I just haven't had time to update (and Apple doesn't support it yet, that I know of).

lyford, according to Windows Explorer on my Windows laptop, where I have a complete set, the raw images currently weigh in at 5.08 GB on disk. I believe the generated images add roughly another 2 GB but I can give you a more exact number once I've regenerated them on my system.
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post Feb 11 2005, 05:56 PM
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I'm trying to use if from work...I'm on an XP machine running Java 1.4. I keep getting:

Scanning http://qt.exploratorium.edu/mars/opportunity/forward_hazcam/
java.net.ConnectException: Connection refused: connect; retrying...
java.net.ConnectException: Connection refused: connect; retrying...
java.net.ConnectException: Connection refused: connect; retrying...
Tried 4 times; terminating.

We do have a 'border manager' proxie that requires a signon (I was signed on), but there may be some other security issue...doh!

I'll try from home later...

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post Feb 11 2005, 06:55 PM
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I don't have 10 free gigs on my laptop - so I will have to run it at home - tried last night using OS X with Java 1.42 (methinks) and it ran fine. Only grabbed Oppy's files from 2005, but I can't wait to turn that sucka on overnight and get the whole set!


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post Feb 11 2005, 07:38 PM
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I'm syncing the entire dataset at the moment rolleyes.gif


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post Feb 11 2005, 08:58 PM
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QUOTE (MizarKey @ Feb 11 2005, 05:56 PM)
I'm trying to use if from work...I'm on an XP machine running Java 1.4. I keep getting:

Scanning http://qt.exploratorium.edu/mars/opportunity/forward_hazcam/
java.net.ConnectException: Connection refused: connect; retrying...
java.net.ConnectException: Connection refused: connect; retrying...
java.net.ConnectException: Connection refused: connect; retrying...
Tried 4 times; terminating.

We do have a 'border manager' proxie that requires a signon (I was signed on), but there may be some other security issue...doh!

I'll try from home later...

Eric P / MizarKey

That's interesting... I'm guessing it must be something to do with the proxy. I'm wondering if you can get to qt.exploratorium.edu in IE and if so if there's some special settings in IE for the proxie. Maybe there's something I'd have to do in the MMB connection attempt to specify the proxy, I'll have to see what I can find out about it.
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post Feb 11 2005, 09:46 PM
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Thanks so much mhoward for making this available!

Is there a way to download pics from just a certain day or set of days in the past? I'd like to use this on the earlier images, but I don't want to download the entire 5 gig set. If there's not a way to do this, this would be my suggestion for an improvement.

Otherwise, it's perfect biggrin.gif
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post Feb 11 2005, 10:20 PM
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QUOTE (Fred @ Feb 11 2005, 09:46 PM)
Thanks so much mhoward for making this available!

Is there a way to download pics from just a certain day or set of days in the past? I'd like to use this on the earlier images, but I don't want to download the entire 5 gig set. If there's not a way to do this, this would be my suggestion for an improvement.

Otherwise, it's perfect biggrin.gif

That shouldn't be too hard... I'll look into it. Thanks!
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post Feb 11 2005, 11:28 PM
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QUOTE (mhoward @ Feb 11 2005, 12:58 PM)
QUOTE (MizarKey @ Feb 11 2005, 05:56 PM)
I'm trying to use if from work...I'm on an XP machine running Java 1.4.  I keep getting:

Scanning http://qt.exploratorium.edu/mars/opportunity/forward_hazcam/
java.net.ConnectException: Connection refused: connect; retrying...
java.net.ConnectException: Connection refused: connect; retrying...
java.net.ConnectException: Connection refused: connect; retrying...
Tried 4 times; terminating.

We do have a 'border manager' proxie that requires a signon (I was signed on), but there may be some other security issue...doh!

I'll try from home later...

Eric P / MizarKey

That's interesting... I'm guessing it must be something to do with the proxy. I'm wondering if you can get to qt.exploratorium.edu in IE and if so if there's some special settings in IE for the proxie. Maybe there's something I'd have to do in the MMB connection attempt to specify the proxy, I'll have to see what I can find out about it.

You don't need to tweak it for me...probably just get me in trouble at work anyway... biggrin.gif

I am interested in modifying the anaglyph setting, how did you determine the default?

Also, I'd be interested in being able to regenerate anaglyphs after modifying the settings - without redownloading the raw images and with writing over the previously generated images.

It's an excellent program and I thank you deeply!

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mhoward
post Feb 12 2005, 12:09 AM
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>I am interested in modifying the anaglyph setting, how did you determine the default?

The defaults are just ones that I arrived at over a long period of looking at the images and tweaking them every now and then. I can't really see the 3D effect very well unless it's mostly behind the screen plane. With the settings I tried to put most of the image behind the screen plane for the majority of images, without going farther than I had to. Obviously it's not optimal for every image, and different settings might work better for other people. One feature I have in mind is a "Make Anaglyph..." option to make individual anaglyphs with different settings, especially for shots at very close range, like down at the rover itself.

>Also, I'd be interested in being able to regenerate anaglyphs after modifying the
> settings - without redownloading the raw images and with writing over the previously
>generated images.

I think you can do this: select "Advanced Image Update", uncheck "Download raw images", uncheck "Generate false-color images" but leave "Generate anaglyphs" checked, and in the generate images popup choose "force generate all images". That will overwrite the existing generated anaglyphs.

P.S. Another trick is to just delete the ones you want to replace, and select "fill in missing images" in the generate images popup menu.
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post Feb 12 2005, 04:25 AM
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QUOTE (mhoward @ Feb 11 2005, 04:09 PM)
>Also, I'd be interested in being able to regenerate anaglyphs after modifying the
> settings - without redownloading the raw images and with writing over the previously
>generated images.

I think you can do this: select "Advanced Image Update", uncheck "Download raw images", uncheck "Generate false-color images" but leave "Generate anaglyphs" checked, and in the generate images popup choose "force generate all images". That will overwrite the existing generated anaglyphs.

Your suggestion above worked perfectly.

Also, I changed the anaglyph settings to:
Hazcam 0.035
Navcam 0.06
Pancam 0.02

This improved the 3d clarity tremendously. It's so cool to watch the images as they're created. The trench by Oppy was especially cool...I may have to make a 3d animation of it - all thanks to your program.

You really have done us all a great service Michael with this program!

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post Feb 12 2005, 02:12 PM
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Thank you so much! Your efforts take away the only frustration I have with MER; the downloads..
Great software!!!


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post Feb 12 2005, 07:19 PM
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I've been lurking on these boards for a few weeks....I just wanted to say "hi" and say that the Midnight Mars Browser ROCKS! I've fully updated the image sets from both rovers and have enjoyed seeing the slide shows. Is there any way to save a slide show into .mov or .mpg format yet?

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