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Earth to Perform Asteroid 'Flyby', Radar imaging
Toma B
post May 3 2011, 09:02 AM
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Asteroid 'Flyby' This Fall

In the text above it clearly says: "The best resolution of the radar images was 7.5 meters [25 feet] per pixel , when the asteroid was about 2.3 million kilometers away from Earth back in April 2010." Than it says that "When 2005 YU55 returns this fall the asteroid will be seven times closer. We're expecting some very detailed radar images. "When 2005 YU55 returns this fall, we intend to image it at 4-meter resolution with our recently upgraded equipment at the Deep Space Network at Goldstone, California." [/quote]

So where is that upgrade?!? blink.gif

When imaging from 2,300,000 Km res= 7.5 m/pix
When imaging from 325,000 Km res= 4 m/pix


I just don't get it. If there was no "upgrade" resolution should be about 1 m/pix this time because asteroid is 7 times closer!

Can anybody understand/explain this?


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post May 3 2011, 09:42 AM
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QUOTE (Toma B @ May 3 2011, 10:02 AM) *
Asteroid 'Flyby' This Fall



So where is that upgrade?!? blink.gif

When imaging from 2,300,000 Km res= 7.5 m/pix
When imaging from 325,000 Km res= 4 m/pix


I just don't get it. If there was no "upgrade" resolution should be about 1 m/pix this time because asteroid is 7 times closer!

Can anybody understand/explain this?


The earlier flyby was imaged using the much larger antenna at Arecibo. This flyby will be imaged by the upgraded but much smaller antenna at Goldstone. Due to the asteroid's location in the sky at the time of the flyby, it will be inaccessible to Arecibo.


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post May 3 2011, 10:37 AM
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So essentially, Earth's camera pointing is not being used for the flyby. tongue.gif


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post May 3 2011, 02:32 PM
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The resolution of delay-doppler imaging has nothing to do with distance, unlike optical imaging. It's a measure of how finely we can sample the returned signal in time and frequency. The effect of distance is to change the SNR, so a more distant target might have to make use of binned data, which is where the resolution will suffer, but it's not just a geometric issue like it would be for optical imaging.

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post May 3 2011, 02:52 PM
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QUOTE (Toma B @ May 3 2011, 04:02 AM) *
If there was no "upgrade" resolution should be about 1 m/pix this time because asteroid is 7 times closer!


It's not quite so simple, as this is not a passive observation but an active probe. The increase in resolution you are talking about could roughly be achieved by interferometric techniques (which might be used with the VLA, for instance), but with monostatic and bistatic (two antennas, such as Aricebo transmits and Goldstone receives) observations you have limitations due to time delay (ranging) and radio frequency (doppler shift) resolutions. Plus some minor limitations due to wavelengths (3.5 cm for Goldstone, 12 for Aricebo).

Goldstone will typically image an asteroid with about 0.1 microsecond bursts of radio waves. This results in a radio "pancake" about 30 meters thick. That is the relatively blunt instrument they use to image an object only 400 meters big. How they manage to process the return signal that comes back in a way that resolves detail smaller than that is beyond me, but they do manage it.

What you mainly get with this close approach is about 49 (7 squared) times more of the transmitted power being intercepted by the asteroid, and the same 49 times of the reflected signal being returned (the area of 2005 YU55 looks that much bigger this time), for a whopping gain of around 49 X 49 = 2401 (let's just say 2000-2500) times more of the transmitted signal being returned by the same antenna at the same power level this time around. A huge gain in signal-to-noise ratio.

But again it's more complicated than that. 2005 YU55 will be so close this time that some sites, like Goldstone, won't be able to both transmit and receive due to the quick round trip time. At closest approach, they are only planning bistatic observations.

The link here provides a very detailed technical overview of their plans at Goldstone.

I'm looking forward to this event for other reasons, hoping that through my telescope I can see this rock showing visible motion against the background stars, something I've only seen once before with 2002 NY40.
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post May 3 2011, 05:26 PM
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any chances a distant artificial satellite may pass some thousand kilometers from it? a check of possible cometary emissions using magnetospheric instruments would be interesting science...


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post May 3 2011, 05:46 PM
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Sorry, no chance. Telescopic observations should detect any activity, if present. But it's unlikely that there will be anything to see.
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post May 3 2011, 07:01 PM
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I appreciate the radio 'pancake' analogy, makes what they are trying to do more understandable. (and more amazing)

Is the transmitted frequency constant during the microsecond burst, or does it vary? (I am trying to figure out how the 30 meter thick burst can be resolved so finely) really astonishing use of technology in any regard.

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post May 9 2011, 03:15 PM
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The transmitted frequency is kept steady. Held to painfully tight tolerances, too.

I might mention here that the asteroid will move into Arecibo's line of sight very shortly before (but not during) closest approach on November 8th. Joint (bistatic) observations are planned with Goldstone, followed by stand alone studies through the 19th.

HOWEVER.....

Here is a list of the results of all asteroids schedueled for radar at Aricebo from November last year up to today:

2010 Nov - 2002 VE68 - Cancelled due to transmitter problems. R2564.
2010 Dec - 2006 VB14 - Cancelled due to transmitter problems. R2564
2010 Dec - 2010 JL33 - Cancelled due to transmitter problems. R2595
2010 Dec - (207945) 1991 JW - Cancelled due to transmitter problems. R2595
2010 Dec - 2005 GC120 - Requested but not scheduled. R2564.
2010 Dec - (16) Psyche - Cancelled due to transmitter problems. R2563.
2010 Dec - (337) Devosa - Cancelled due to transmitter problems R2563.
2011 Jan - (554) Peraga - Cancelled due to transmitter problems. R2313
2011 Jan - (7) Iris - Cancelled due to transmitter problems. R2313
2011 Jan - 2000 BD19 - Requested.
2011 Jan - 1998 HE3 - Requested but not scheduled.
2011 Feb - (153201) 2000 WO107 - Requested but not scheduled.
2011 Feb - 2001 CQ36 - Cancelled due to equipment problems. R2591
2011 Feb - 2000 EF104 - Cancelled due to equipment problems. R2591
2011 Feb - 2003 YG118 - Cancelled due to equipment problems. R2591
2011 Mar - (516) Amherstia - Cancelled due to transmitter problems. R2603
2011 Mar - 1999 TK12 - Cancelled due to transmitter problems. R2591
2011 Mar - 2009 FY4 - Cancelled due to transmitter problems. R2591
2011 Mar - 2005 EY169 - Cancelled due to transmitter problems. R2591
2011 Mar - (23187) 2000 PN9 - Cancelled due to transmitter problems. R2591
2011 Mar - 2005 ES70 - Cancelled due to transmitter problems. R2591
2011 Mar - (3554) Amun - Cancelled due to transmitter problems. R2591
2011 Mar - (11885) Summanus - Requested but not scheduled. R2591
2011 Apr - (85953) 1999 FK21 - Requested but not scheduled. R2591
2011 Apr - 2008 EY5 - Cancelled due to transmitter problems. R2591
2011 Apr - 2004 XN50 - Cancelled due to transmitter problems. R2591
2011 Apr - 1997 US9 - Requested but not scheduled. R2591
2011 Apr - 2003 FF5 - Requested but not scheduled. R2591
2011 Apr - 2001 AD2 - Cancelled due to transmitter problems. R2591
2011 Apr - 2004 QT24 - Cancelled due to equipment problems. R2591
2011 Apr - 2008 FU6 - Requested but not scheduled. R2591
2011 May - (141484) 2002 DB4 - Requested but not scheduled. R2591
2011 May - (164121) 2003 YT1 - Cancelled due to equipment problems. R2591. BINARY
2011 May - 2007 TB23 - Cancelled due to equipment problems. R2591
2011 May - 2003 AL73 - Cancelled due to equipment problems. R2591

I'm a little bit concerned here.
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post May 9 2011, 04:14 PM
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Look, if they say Arecibo can't do this one either because she has to wash her hair, I think asteroid watchers should take the hint and quit asking.


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post May 9 2011, 04:24 PM
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Hmmm, if I was a betting man..
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post May 9 2011, 05:33 PM
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my spidey sense tells me they are having equipment/transmitter problems


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I wonder if anyone will get a good view with adaptive optics...the views of 2002 NY40 were spectacular http://arxiv.org/PS_cache/arxiv/pdf/0709/0709.0984v1.pdf


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post Oct 28 2011, 04:27 AM
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As of late September, the Aricebo radar was finally back in business, and pinged several NEAs in October. Here's hoping for the best.
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Radar image of 2005 YU55 from Goldstone taken on Nov 7th, a day before closest approach.


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