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May 3 2011, 03:44 PM
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Jun 4 2011, 03:56 PM
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Marc Rayman provides great commentary, and I appreciate the humor even as I cringe. But Marc is on the engineering side, so I doubt he feels any personal stake in how and when the images are released. I won't expect any clarification from him about that policy; even if he does know what's going on, he wouldn't be the science team's chosen spokesman. I badly want to see those approach images in real time, and the marketing speculations expressed above are just my best attempt to frame the recent lack of images in an optimistic way.
The trouble with the taxpayer argument is that the enthusiasts on this site only paid for a tiny fraction of the mission's cost - most of it came from people for whom the mission doesn't rate nearly so high a priority. "Outreach" to me is a longer-term strategy addressed mainly to the next generation. It's harder to take a jaded adult and re-awaken that sense of discovery, but they are the ones who do most of the paying. Any "marketing" strategy that will make today's hard-pressed taxpayers sit up and take a little pride that they have paid for something truly wonderful - that would be a sacrifice I'd happily make if it really seemed that a sudden dramatic unveiling was the best way to go. Does Vesta have that potential to accomplish a marketing breakthrough? Unfortunately, the scale of rocky asteroids is hard to gauge when they are just hanging out all by themselves in empty space. For somebody who has not been paying close attention, I wonder if Vesta will have any features that clearly make it more spectacular than Rosetta, or even Eros or Itokawa. Ceres, with its ice, will be something entirely new - like finding Greenland or Antarctica up there in the sky. Whatever happens here, the Ceres visit will probably offer the best public showcase for robotic space travel since Voyager. The current encounter may prove scientifically very rich, but in terms of publicity, perhaps a dress rehearsal. (Oh, and great news from Mike while I was responding to the earlier stuff! |
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Jun 4 2011, 04:02 PM
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Whatever happens here, the Ceres visit will probably offer the best public showcase for robotic space travel since Voyager. It's impossible to draw comparisons between missions in that way. One could argue MER is the best showcase for robotic space exploration. Or Cassini. Or any number of missions. The crime here is that there are ever increasingly great images of this unexplored world being taken but not being shared with the public - it is an exquisit opportunity to engage and inspire the public....and for whatever reason they're forgoing that opportunity and revert to old-school media policy. |
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Holder of the Two Leashes Dawn approaches Vesta May 3 2011, 03:44 PM
elakdawalla If you looked at the Dawn Journal earlier this mor... May 3 2011, 07:34 PM
elakdawalla I went through Marc's journals and summarized ... May 3 2011, 07:38 PM
bagelverse Be nice to get an approach sequence as was done fo... May 3 2011, 10:39 PM
Phil Stooke OK, Dawn team, this is the bit where you release a... May 5 2011, 04:14 PM
elakdawalla Would be nice. All they've released lately is... May 5 2011, 05:07 PM
Stefan QUOTE (elakdawalla @ May 5 2011, 07:07 PM... May 5 2011, 07:34 PM
Phil Stooke Wow, that's scary! Little bits of Gaspra,... May 5 2011, 05:12 PM
Stu Ahhh... I think they're confusing DAWN with an... May 5 2011, 06:16 PM
Phil Stooke While that might look like a good idea, I should p... May 5 2011, 10:20 PM
Greg Hullender I note we just passed the 1M km mark.
http://neo... May 9 2011, 04:02 AM
mchan OMG! Shades of MCO! It shows Dawn at 1M ... May 9 2011, 05:24 AM
djellison Given that the metric value is expressed to one si... May 9 2011, 05:37 AM
ElkGroveDan The correct figure is 5.168 million furlongs. May 9 2011, 01:22 PM
stevesliva I prefer one gigameter, pronounced "jigameter... May 9 2011, 04:22 PM
ugordan NASA's Dawn Captures First Image of Nearing As... May 11 2011, 03:29 PM
tek_604 Press release from the Framing Camera Team @ MPS:
... May 12 2011, 12:39 PM
tek_604 New website for Dawn Framing Camera @ MPS:
Dawn F... May 18 2011, 07:05 AM
centsworth_II QUOTE (tek_604 @ May 18 2011, 02:05 AM) N... May 18 2011, 12:55 PM
Phil Stooke Hopefully we'll get another picture soon. Mea... May 18 2011, 04:15 PM
MahFL Well it at least appears to still be there, which ... May 18 2011, 04:30 PM
Decepticon My understanding is Dawn will reach HST resolution... May 18 2011, 05:48 PM
kenny Vesta has fond assocations for some of us. It was... May 19 2011, 12:40 PM
Stu haha! I remember those! I wouldn't be ... May 19 2011, 01:15 PM
ElkGroveDan QUOTE (Stu @ May 19 2011, 06:15 AM) ... t... May 19 2011, 03:08 PM
MahFL I liked those Vesta Chow Mein meals ! May 19 2011, 05:17 PM
AndyG And I liked the crunchy noodles.
Makes me wonder ... May 19 2011, 07:12 PM
Phil Stooke OK, Dawn team! This is the bit where you rele... May 22 2011, 09:01 PM
Greg Hullender QUOTE (Phil Stooke @ May 22 2011, 01:01 P... May 23 2011, 01:31 AM
Hungry4info You aren't excited about this, are you?
I w... May 22 2011, 10:55 PM
SFJCody Pictures taken now should have almost twice the re... May 23 2011, 12:28 AM
Explorer1 And posting on a Sunday would be a big event for a... May 23 2011, 04:04 AM
JohnVV Basically the same as Phil's
there is not muc... May 23 2011, 07:46 AM
SFJCody Can't wait! If you consider the imagery of... May 23 2011, 10:06 AM
antipode While we are all waiting for the next DAWN images,... May 26 2011, 09:11 AM
charborob Go to this page, and scroll down to "Vesta... May 26 2011, 12:19 PM
antipode Thankyou sir - that's EXACTLY what I was looki... May 28 2011, 03:57 AM
Paolo a new Dawn Journal is out
http://dawn.jpl.nasa.gov... May 28 2011, 05:48 PM
Toma B These are few last sentences of text about DAWN th... May 28 2011, 07:48 PM
CAP-Team According to Celestia, Vesta is now 3' 32,5... May 29 2011, 07:29 PM
elakdawalla Would sure be nice if we could confirm that with a... May 30 2011, 01:53 AM
Astro0 I'm surprised that we haven't seen any mor... May 30 2011, 10:04 AM
Phil Stooke I did! Sometimes it's more a matter of pe... May 30 2011, 11:27 AM
tek_604 For those of you on facebook, the Dawn Framing Cam... May 31 2011, 06:29 AM
SFJCody If they get enough 'likes' will they relea... May 31 2011, 10:57 AM
Bart Well I just 'liked' it, anyway. Jun 1 2011, 04:16 AM
elakdawalla QUOTE (tek_604 @ May 30 2011, 11:29 PM) F... Jun 1 2011, 01:34 PM
tek_604 QUOTE (elakdawalla @ Jun 1 2011, 03:34 PM... Jun 1 2011, 02:49 PM
Stu I think it's a great shame we're not seein... Jun 1 2011, 01:56 PM
ngunn QUOTE (Stu @ Jun 1 2011, 02:56 PM) this l... Jun 1 2011, 09:02 PM
volcanopele Seriously what are you guys expecting at this poin... Jun 1 2011, 09:11 PM
ngunn QUOTE (volcanopele @ Jun 1 2011, 10:11 PM... Jun 1 2011, 09:33 PM
Stu I don't think it's so much now about hopin... Jun 1 2011, 09:50 PM
centsworth_II My guess is that the Dawn team planned image relea... Jun 1 2011, 09:55 PM
ngunn QUOTE (centsworth_II @ Jun 1 2011, 10:55 ... Jun 1 2011, 10:13 PM
volcanopele Don't get me wrong, I would love to see more i... Jun 1 2011, 10:06 PM
Stu I don't think this is "uproar"... th... Jun 1 2011, 10:13 PM
JohnVV i am in agreement with the few above this
At this... Jun 1 2011, 10:16 PM
ngunn QUOTE (JohnVV @ Jun 1 2011, 11:16 PM) At ... Jun 1 2011, 10:32 PM

ElkGroveDan I agree. I find this attitude of, "there... Jun 1 2011, 10:34 PM

ngunn QUOTE (ElkGroveDan @ Jun 1 2011, 11:34 PM... Jun 1 2011, 10:52 PM
Holder of the Two Leashes QUOTE (JohnVV @ Jun 1 2011, 04:16 PM) ...... Jun 2 2011, 04:18 AM
elakdawalla volcanopele, would your point of view change if I ... Jun 1 2011, 10:30 PM
volcanopele If that marks the beginning of daily image release... Jun 1 2011, 10:35 PM
elakdawalla I don't think that daily image releases are an... Jun 1 2011, 11:05 PM
ngunn The measure of public involvement needs to be part... Jun 1 2011, 11:19 PM
ElkGroveDan I get the feeling that it's going to be more l... Jun 1 2011, 11:20 PM
djellison Right now it's like OSIRIS on Rosetta. Uwe Ke... Jun 2 2011, 12:19 AM
Bart They will have to upload it all to PDS eventually,... Jun 2 2011, 01:55 AM
elakdawalla Yes, that's true. No matter how stingy the PI... Jun 2 2011, 02:08 AM
lyford QUOTE (elakdawalla @ Jun 1 2011, 06:08 PM... Jun 2 2011, 05:08 AM
eoincampbell I hereby add my voice to this -request for images- Jun 2 2011, 02:29 AM
Greg Hullender I remember when Pioneer 10 flew past Jupiter, almo... Jun 2 2011, 04:26 AM
djellison QUOTE (Greg Hullender @ Jun 1 2011, 09:26... Jun 2 2011, 04:44 AM
tanjent Just to play the Devil's advocate:
If you wan... Jun 2 2011, 08:10 AM
centsworth_II QUOTE (tanjent @ Jun 2 2011, 04:10 AM) ..... Jun 2 2011, 12:52 PM
Astro0 Jobs' would stick an Apple logo on it, tell yo... Jun 2 2011, 09:29 AM
tanjent Well, if is some kind of scripted marketing ploy, ... Jun 2 2011, 10:30 AM
SFJCody http://www.dawn.mps.mpg.de/typo3temp/pics/597c5396... Jun 2 2011, 11:37 AM
djellison Marketing and Outreach are not the same. There is... Jun 2 2011, 01:45 PM
Sunspot In the past NASA have had "Solar System Ambas... Jun 2 2011, 05:09 PM
Norm Hartnett The silence seems to be drawing some attention.
h... Jun 3 2011, 04:02 PM
belleraphon1 Am sending the same message to Emily's blog em... Jun 3 2011, 09:31 PM
jsheff I totally share the desire to see as many images a... Jun 3 2011, 11:53 PM
jsheff Actually, the Flight Operations Team has been very... Jun 4 2011, 01:03 AM
lyford QUOTE (jsheff @ Jun 3 2011, 05:03 PM) Act... Jun 4 2011, 06:29 AM
Bjorn Jonsson I thought image release policies like Dawn's h... Jun 4 2011, 01:35 AM
ElkGroveDan QUOTE (tanjent @ Jun 2 2011, 01:10 AM) Fo... Jun 4 2011, 04:41 AM
Decepticon Im not to worried about pics yet.
When dawns res... Jun 4 2011, 02:14 PM
djellison Then get worried - that's right about now. Jun 4 2011, 02:51 PM
Decepticon QUOTE (djellison @ Jun 4 2011, 10:51 AM) ... Jun 4 2011, 06:41 PM
Juramike I wrote to a member of the Dawn E/PO Team and rece... Jun 4 2011, 03:03 PM
djellison QUOTE (Juramike @ Jun 4 2011, 07:03 AM) C... Jun 4 2011, 03:10 PM
ElkGroveDan It's really just a case of them wanting to hav... Jun 4 2011, 03:53 PM
ElkGroveDan QUOTE (tanjent @ Jun 4 2011, 08:56 AM) Th... Jun 4 2011, 04:06 PM
Bunker9603 I sent several emails to members of the DAWN team.... Jun 4 2011, 04:35 PM
nprev Hmm. So minimal manpower is the possible reason fo... Jun 4 2011, 05:41 PM
djellison The second week in June starts in <48hrs
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