Dawn Survey Orbit Phase, First orbital phase |
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Dawn Survey Orbit Phase, First orbital phase |
Aug 1 2011, 06:46 PM
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My first thought about the cracks was we are seeing crustal sloughing into the crater hole. (it's big, for sure, but technically, the missing segment of Vesta is a hole) The tensile strength of the materials surrounding the crater would need to be checked for consistency this idea. Also, the segments between the cracks would be subject to compressive effects as the assemblage creeped (oozed? shifted?) downslope. Not sure I see anything that might be like that at this resolution in the images.
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Aug 1 2011, 07:34 PM
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In the Enceladus case, change of the axis of rotation can be explained based on polhode phenomenon. But that needs an energy dissipation mechanism, which for Enceladus is based on the tidal lock (as also the possible 'ocean'). But for a free solid body like Vesta, what is the dissipation mechanism? Large Vesta-sized bodies will settle fairly quickly into stable rotation about the minimum moment of inertia after their rotation is perturbed, due to internal frictional dissipation - tumbling will produce internal stresses that will cause motion along fractures, etc., that will dissipate energy and damp out the tumbling (Burns and Safronov 1973). John |
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Aug 1 2011, 07:54 PM
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Here is a quick smoothing of the rotation clip. I had to compress a lot it due to 1 MB limit.
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Aug 1 2011, 08:30 PM
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Excellent!
Beautiful rotation -------------------- |
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Aug 1 2011, 08:36 PM
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The color image is up on the photojournal now.
Phil http://photojournal.jpl.nasa.gov/catalog/PIA14325 PS before getting too carried away with explanations of grooves, let's consider the other grooved bodies - will the explanation work more generally? -------------------- ... because the Solar System ain't gonna map itself.
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Aug 1 2011, 08:49 PM
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Composed of completely different stuff I know, but it looks remarkably Miranda-esque to me
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Aug 1 2011, 09:18 PM
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The crater count looks low over the impact area - I guess that makes sense, what is it - a billion years old?
Seems to be several sites of mass wasting/downslope movement. And those dark areas are fascinating! Very very rugged, very very cool. Might be a good place for a lightweight instrumented penetrator (if we ever visit again!)! Although Ceres is the main course, this is a fantastic entree... P |
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Aug 1 2011, 09:22 PM
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Here is a quick smoothing of the rotation clip. Very nice! -------------------- |
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Aug 1 2011, 11:23 PM
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Fantastic, Tayfun!!!
Man...there's a LOT of interesting features on this little world! -------------------- A few will take this knowledge and use this power of a dream realized as a force for change, an impetus for further discovery to make less ancient dreams real.
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Aug 1 2011, 11:30 PM
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There will still be PDS releases, right? It may be a long wait. I asked about this after the press briefing, and Marc thought that the PDS timeline was 6 months....AFTER they leave Vesta. In the meantime, I have now decomposed the high-resolution version of the animation into its component frames. Here you go, guys; have fun. http://planetary.s3.amazonaws.com/misc/Vesta_rotating.zip
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Aug 1 2011, 11:39 PM
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Lol, I got to about frame28 before I noticed your message. Oh well. I will work up a few anaglyphs if and when I find my red-blue glasses. I know it is here somewhere.
-------------------- &@^^!% Jim! I'm a geologist, not a physicist!
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Aug 2 2011, 12:40 AM
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Senior Member ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Moderator Posts: 6474 Joined: 8-December 05 From: Los Angeles Member No.: 602 |
Mrs. nprev's comment on the movie:
"Huh. Looks like biscuit. Even has lines around the middle like biscuit!" -------------------- A few will take this knowledge and use this power of a dream realized as a force for change, an impetus for further discovery to make less ancient dreams real.
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Aug 2 2011, 01:04 AM
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What can make a series of long, straight grooves along the equator of an isolated self-gravitating body?
Debris collapse into extension cracks is one possibility. But what would cause straight cracks at the thickest part of the body? In the South Pole impact, as the debris was blasting away, the center of mass of Vesta became shifted towards its North Pole, and the area around the crater rim became very high ground. The result static force on the equatorial region would have been compressive. However, the dynamic situation would have been different. In solids, compression waves travel faster than shear waves, and the bulk (2/3) of the momentum transfer (apart from vaporization heating) from the impact would be transferred by the shear waves, especially an angular momentum change. With Vesta getting its bell rung so hard, the equator could have been the mega null/shear zone between torsional resonance modes. With debris falling on/in/around the cracks and partially filling them, we could end up with the current distribution. With limited information coming from Dawn, they'll just have to put up with theories from the bleachers (cheap seats for the Brits). |
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Aug 2 2011, 01:45 AM
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Despite the Dawn team wanting this to be a very primitive body dating back to the Dawn of the solar system, there's no particular reason why it could not have been larger at a very early date and to have lost a lot of mass though large impacts to become what we see today. I only suggest this to say that the grooves may be explained by events whose records are no longer visible to us. It's like Phobos - everybody wanted the grooves to be the result of Stickney despite the fact they have no geometric relationship to it at all. At least we can lay the old story of Mars ejecta to rest at last!
Phil -------------------- ... because the Solar System ain't gonna map itself.
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Aug 2 2011, 01:58 AM
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Wow. It looks like baling wire is holding the asteroid together....
It never ceases to amaze me how new types of features keep showing up on these newly explored worlds. Speaking of new features, this little image artifact ![]() looks a lot like Tsiolkovskiy on the moon: -------------------- Astrogeologists have stars in their eyes and rocks in their heads!
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