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Are these the real Martian colors? |
Aug 7 2012, 03:11 PM
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We've just got the first color picture from MSL today
http://mars.jpl.nasa.gov/msl/multimedia/images/?ImageID=4282 if I understood it well, this is the first time ever that a real color camera has been sent to the Red planet. Something is nagging me though, and certainly this is here in UMSF that I will get the correct and definitive answer. Since the 70s and the Viking missions, there's always been debates about the real color of the surface and skies of Mars. They had indeed come up with funny results during the Viking missions with nearly blue skies! Then came the MERs, and the pictures were, and still are (go Oppy go!), taken through three filters, and then it's all a question of mixing all this together (by now you must have guessed that I am neither a photographer nor a photoshoper!). But as often seen here on this site, everyone has then hers or his own interpretation when it comes to the final result. I have indeed seen here much better looking Martian pics than on the MER site (sometimes, not always) All this to say that up until this morning, we weren't 100% sure that what we were seing was the real Mars, in its true colors but a very close aproximation. Correct? So my question is this: is this picture from MSL the very first one to show us the real Martian colors?? Thanks. |
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Aug 7 2012, 09:48 PM
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After years of working in color photo darkrooms
I can tell you that color IS SUBJECTIVE i can look at a print and say" it is perfect " the other owner will say "to blue " the other silent partner might say " nice, but just a bit too warm " so "REAL" color ??????? there is no such thing every one sees things just a bit different |
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Aug 12 2012, 06:21 PM
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I can tell you that color IS SUBJECTIVE As someone who's studied electromagnetism, it's always irked me to some degree to hear people talk about the subjectivity of colour. As far as perception of colour is concerned, I agree completely. But there is a well-defined sense in which colour is completely objective. A display could reproduce the full spectrum and intensity of visible light that would be present (as a function of direction) a couple of metres above somewhere on the Martian surface, at some time during the day. (I don't care too much where or when.) Of course ordinary rgb displays could never do that. But in principle it could be done, to whatever precision you want. That is what I think about (dream about) when I wonder what colour the Martian surface is. I don't care about the subjectivity of perception, or the fact that the display might not cover the full 4pi steradians ("all the way around") and the light from around the edges of the display may affect my perception, or the fact that my perception of the colour will change over time as I get acustomed to the orangeness. I don't care about any of that. I just want to see that spectrum! |
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MERovingian Are these the real Martian colors? Aug 7 2012, 03:11 PM
Deimos Well, it is known that Bayer filters hold the magi... Aug 7 2012, 04:51 PM
RoverDriver QUOTE (Deimos @ Aug 7 2012, 09:51 AM) Wel... Aug 7 2012, 05:02 PM
ugordan QUOTE (Deimos @ Aug 7 2012, 06:51 PM) Wel... Aug 7 2012, 09:43 PM
RoverDriver QUOTE (ugordan @ Aug 7 2012, 02:43 PM) Th... Aug 7 2012, 11:33 PM
ugordan QUOTE (RoverDriver @ Aug 8 2012, 01:33 AM... Aug 8 2012, 07:15 AM
RoverDriver QUOTE (ugordan @ Aug 8 2012, 12:15 AM) On... Aug 8 2012, 07:22 AM
ugordan QUOTE (RoverDriver @ Aug 8 2012, 09:22 AM... Aug 8 2012, 07:43 AM
Deimos QUOTE (ugordan @ Aug 8 2012, 07:43 AM) I ... Aug 8 2012, 08:27 AM
RoverDriver QUOTE (ugordan @ Aug 8 2012, 12:43 AM) I ... Aug 12 2012, 07:49 PM
siravan QUOTE (ugordan @ Aug 8 2012, 02:43 AM) I ... Aug 12 2012, 08:17 PM
ugordan Yes, yes, I know about hazcams (or indeed all came... Aug 12 2012, 08:24 PM
siravan There is a sentence in the Mastcam description htt... Aug 12 2012, 10:02 PM
ugordan I think that's rather some hardware/software c... Aug 12 2012, 10:08 PM
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MERovingian Alas, I was born a good hundred years too early fo... Aug 7 2012, 06:18 PM
machi True colors is relative concept. I don't know ... Aug 7 2012, 09:32 PM
lyford Perceived color is such a complex interplay of ele... Aug 7 2012, 09:35 PM
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imipak See also:
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Malmer QUOTE (fredk @ Aug 12 2012, 08:21 PM) As ... Aug 15 2012, 10:10 AM
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Bjorn Jonsson QUOTE (Explorer1 @ Aug 8 2012, 12:33 AM) ... Aug 8 2012, 12:54 AM
Explorer1 And our pictures from the lunar surface look just ... Aug 8 2012, 03:45 AM
dvandorn QUOTE (Explorer1 @ Aug 7 2012, 10:45 PM) ... Aug 8 2012, 04:00 AM
djellison FWIW - accounting for the dust cover - it looks pr... Aug 8 2012, 06:19 AM
dvandorn This discussion reminds me very much of one of the... Aug 21 2012, 03:36 AM
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JohnVV bobby
if you watched the movie "the Martian... Nov 1 2015, 01:07 AM
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Gerald Here a version with a color-corrected Sol 1157 MAH... Nov 15 2015, 08:45 PM
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