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Aug 16 2012, 11:05 PM
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I'm still trying to figure out a number of things about the new images we are trying to work with. Assuming others are likewise trying to learn, I thought I would open this thread to create a place for such discussions.
I'd like to start out with a comment about raw image contrast. There have been several postings in the main threads about whether or not the MSL raw images have been stretched like those from the MER missions. I am certainly no expert on this, but it looks to me as if the MSL images have not been stretched at all. I haven't tried to analyze all of the image types, but the hazcams and navcams have pixel brightness histograms that are very different from their MER counterparts. This attached image compares MER and MSL navcams along with their luminosity histograms. The MSL images clearly are not using the entire, available range of brightness values, whereas the MER raws do. For this reason, the MSL raw images can usually be nicely enhanced by simply stretching the distribution of brightness across the full 256 value range. -------------------- ...Tom
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Aug 24 2012, 06:48 PM
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Hi forum community,
I've heard on the last MSL press conference, in about 1 to 2 weeks, MSSS will publish some details about the color calibration. Until then, we have the following information on the topic so far: Mastcam Multispectral Imaging on the MSL Rover: Wavelength Coverage and Imaging Strategies at the Gale Crater Field Site. 43rd Lunar and Planetary Science Conference (2012) http://www.lpi.usra.edu/meetings/lpsc2012/pdf/2541.pdf Mast Camera (Mastcam) (no date) http://msl-scicorner.jpl.nasa.gov/Instruments/Mastcam/ CCD sensor used on all MSL cameras: http://www.kodak.com/global/plugins/acroba...020LongSpec.pdf Test images taken on Earth daylight with flight Mastcam before delivery to JPL: http://www.msss.com/science/msl-mastcam-pr...unch-images.php The two documents about the Mastcam show very different IR cutoff filters, especially concerning the cutoff off the blue wavelengths. Normally you would expect an IR cutoff filter only removing IR and not blue and UV. Removing UV is of course also useful if you have an sensor responding to those short wavelength. The sensor used for MSL however, is not responsive in UV as the bayer pattern already blocks everying below 400nm. Now the question is: Which is the actual transmissin curve of the IR cutoff filter? The one (black dotted line) in the 2541.pdf or the one (thick dark green line) on the JPL-Mastcam web page? Then there is the MAHLI. This camera normally used for near distant macro imaging on the "hand" of the robotic arm, it is also capable of focusing to infinity and has a nice wide angle lens. The test image taken on Earth shown in this report [1] makes hopes for a really nice overview color image from Mars. MAHLI has no additional filter except for the bayer pattern and an IR cutoff coating on the saphire camera windows creating a bandpass with 395–670 nm transmission. So this is a true color camera with excact the same characteristics as we know from consumer digitcal cameras on Earth. This is the best camera on MSL for a color picture to evaluate the color temperature of the Martian daylight. [1] (Curiosity’s Mars Hand Lens Imager (MAHLI) Investigation, 21 February 2012) http://www-robotics.jpl.nasa.gov/publicati...12published.pdf |
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Aug 24 2012, 08:02 PM
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Now the question is: Which is the actual transmissin curve of the IR cutoff filter? The one (black dotted line) in the 2541.pdf or the one (thick dark green line) on the JPL-Mastcam web page? The plot in 2541.pdf is not a transmission curve, it's a response curve and thus modulated by the detector QE. The JPL web page looks pretty close. -------------------- Disclaimer: This post is based on public information only. Any opinions are my own.
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Aug 24 2012, 08:30 PM
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The plot in 2541.pdf is not a transmission curve, it's a response curve and thus modulated by the detector QE. The JPL web page looks pretty close. Thanks for pointing that out! So the overall effect is like adding a strong UV filter to a normal digital camera, like a LP 420, which is actually helping to reduce visual haze. However, what explains then the decrease of the blue response function maxima at 470nm to almost 30% with the green response being the 100% reference on the black dotted line in 2541.pdf? |
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Aug 24 2012, 09:25 PM
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However, what explains then the decrease of the blue response function maxima at 470nm to almost 30% with the green response being the 100% reference on the black dotted line in 2541.pdf? I'm not sure what the dashed line is really supposed to mean. The IR-cutoff response is shown in blue, green, and red, but all the filters have been normalized to their peaks, so you can't, for example, compare the R2/L2 narrowband response to the IR-cutoff blue response, or the IR-cutoff blue to the red. This plot was just intended to give an outline of where the bandpasses are. -------------------- Disclaimer: This post is based on public information only. Any opinions are my own.
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Aug 25 2012, 11:29 AM
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This is just for fun, I tried to implement an adaptive correction for the JPEGged (ugh!), raw Bayered images to get rid of artifacts in image areas that are smooth in appearance. The artifacts come from the JPEG algorithm trashing the Bayer pattern, introducing this kind of pattern:
After correcting for that, the smooth areas became more smooth as illustrated by this comparison, although obviously this approach can't ever come close to an image already returned from the spacecraft in de-Bayered, color form: I had to make the algorithm adaptive in picking which DCT blocks it will apply this to, because if I apply that correction invariably across the image, some uniform-color areas which originally already looked good had these artifacts introduced afterwards... -------------------- |
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Aug 25 2012, 06:32 PM
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Here is a poor man's way of de-Bayering Mastcam images using the Gimp (or similar tools) for those wanting to experiment a little - obviously not intended for the experts here! I realize it is not as sophisticated as proper implementations, but in the absence of a Gimp plugin, this way has the advantage of simplicity at the expense of ending up with a half-resolution image. It does not for instance use just the green pixels for luminosity, and it performs the chroma filtering by the simple expedient of scaling the image down by a factor of 2 (thus merging each set of red, blue and two green pixels together).
Airbag Bayer pattern color map image: Sample result: |
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ngunn I'm totally fascinated by the various approach... Aug 25 2012, 09:35 PM
Art Martin I hope this is the right section for this. I... Aug 26 2012, 04:25 PM
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Phil Stooke I don't do anaglyphs so I can't get techni... Aug 26 2012, 04:35 PM
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Art Martin Yes, that's exactly what I was wondering about... Aug 26 2012, 08:09 PM
Pando Here's my attempt at creating a 3d anaglyph im... Aug 26 2012, 06:59 PM
ngunn QUOTE (john_s @ Aug 26 2012, 06:55 PM) Ac... Aug 26 2012, 07:49 PM
Roby72 A few remarks about the near focus of the mastcams... Aug 27 2012, 08:22 PM
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ElkGroveDan Sounds like a great task for a trusted college int... Aug 28 2012, 04:06 AM
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ugordan QUOTE (mcaplinger @ Aug 28 2012, 06:44 AM... Aug 28 2012, 07:57 AM
mcaplinger QUOTE (ugordan @ Aug 28 2012, 12:57 AM) w... Aug 28 2012, 02:03 PM
JohnVV the jpg issue is mostly solved
http://imgbox.com/... Aug 28 2012, 07:30 AM
ugordan QUOTE (JohnVV @ Aug 28 2012, 09:30 AM) th... Aug 28 2012, 07:59 AM
RegiStax QUOTE (ugordan @ Aug 28 2012, 09:59 AM) J... Aug 28 2012, 09:40 AM
jmknapp I wonder what the effective bits per pixel of the ... Aug 28 2012, 10:08 AM
mcaplinger QUOTE (jmknapp @ Aug 28 2012, 03:08 AM) I... Aug 28 2012, 01:48 PM
Airbag QUOTE (mcaplinger @ Aug 28 2012, 08:48 AM... Aug 28 2012, 02:39 PM
jmknapp QUOTE (mcaplinger @ Aug 28 2012, 08:48 AM... Aug 28 2012, 07:47 PM
mcaplinger QUOTE (jmknapp @ Aug 28 2012, 12:47 PM) W... Aug 28 2012, 08:25 PM
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Airbag That explains it all Joe - thanks! This made m... Aug 29 2012, 06:44 PM
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Airbag Joe, I think you may have the wrong "law... Aug 29 2012, 07:29 PM
mcaplinger QUOTE (Airbag @ Aug 29 2012, 11:44 AM) Th... Aug 29 2012, 07:48 PM
Floyd mcaplinger We all really appreciate the fantastic... Aug 28 2012, 03:05 PM
ugordan Airbag, also look up photon shot noise to see why ... Aug 28 2012, 03:09 PM
Airbag Ugordan,
But photon shot noise is less of an issu... Aug 28 2012, 04:17 PM
mcaplinger QUOTE (Airbag @ Aug 28 2012, 09:17 AM) Bu... Aug 28 2012, 04:22 PM
Airbag I was looking at shot noise from a S/N point of vi... Aug 28 2012, 06:30 PM
fredk This is interesting. A suggestion: look at the ca... Aug 29 2012, 07:37 PM
RoverDriver I don't know, but is it possible these images ... Aug 29 2012, 07:54 PM
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jmknapp Anyone know why the "full frame" raw MAS... Sep 8 2012, 12:12 AM
Deimos QUOTE (jmknapp @ Sep 8 2012, 01:12 AM) An... Sep 8 2012, 12:49 AM
jmknapp QUOTE (Deimos @ Sep 7 2012, 08:49 PM) But... Sep 8 2012, 01:37 AM
iMPREPREX Hey folks. I see a lot of controversy here in rega... Sep 9 2012, 07:04 PM
fredk QUOTE (iMPREPREX @ Sep 9 2012, 07:04 PM) ... Sep 9 2012, 07:33 PM
iMPREPREX All I have is a pattern I can't get rid of. Wo... Sep 9 2012, 08:29 PM
EdTruthan Here's a HUMONGOUS ANAGLYPH for anyone so incl... Sep 10 2012, 05:23 AM
Nix woaw, very nice work.. Sep 10 2012, 05:32 PM
fredk I second that. Very nicely done.
Let's hope ... Sep 10 2012, 05:47 PM
EdTruthan QUOTE (fredk @ Sep 10 2012, 10:47 AM) Let... Sep 11 2012, 05:26 PM
morganism The web interview with our camera operator !
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elakdawalla Oh my. I'm actually not bothered by the fuzzin... Sep 11 2012, 05:59 PM
fredk Now that's being resourceful! Very cool. Sep 11 2012, 07:07 PM
fredk And here's my attempt at combining sol13 mastc... Sep 11 2012, 08:04 PM
EdTruthan Very Nice! I find it interesting to note how l... Sep 11 2012, 11:31 PM
Eyesonmars I've been wondering if it is technically feasi... Sep 12 2012, 07:35 PM
mcaplinger QUOTE (Eyesonmars @ Sep 12 2012, 12:35 PM... Sep 12 2012, 08:30 PM
Eyesonmars Thanks mcaplinger for the response.
Perhaps I rea... Sep 12 2012, 09:08 PM
fredk Maybe software could use sparsely timed images (li... Sep 12 2012, 09:10 PM
mcaplinger QUOTE (fredk @ Sep 12 2012, 02:10 PM) May... Sep 12 2012, 09:22 PM
Deimos QUOTE (fredk @ Sep 12 2012, 09:10 PM) It ... Sep 12 2012, 10:02 PM
climber I must admit there's something I don't und... Sep 13 2012, 11:50 AM
dvandorn QUOTE (climber @ Sep 13 2012, 06:50 AM) I... Sep 13 2012, 12:32 PM
pospa QUOTE (climber @ Sep 13 2012, 01:50 PM) I... Sep 13 2012, 12:38 PM
centsworth_II QUOTE (pospa @ Sep 13 2012, 07:38 AM) Thi... Sep 13 2012, 01:00 PM
Tesheiner There were several posts about this topic on the l... Sep 13 2012, 12:50 PM
climber Thank you ALL!
Believe me, I read ALL posts bu... Sep 13 2012, 01:52 PM
fredk For the navcams, here's my guess. We've d... Sep 15 2012, 07:36 PM
ugordan QUOTE (fredk @ Sep 15 2012, 09:36 PM) Or ... Sep 15 2012, 07:42 PM
mcaplinger QUOTE (fredk @ Sep 15 2012, 12:36 PM) We... Sep 15 2012, 07:52 PM
Eluchil When comparing the left and right Mastcams of the ... Sep 16 2012, 06:54 AM![]() ![]() |
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