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CosmicRocker
post Aug 16 2012, 11:05 PM
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I'm still trying to figure out a number of things about the new images we are trying to work with. Assuming others are likewise trying to learn, I thought I would open this thread to create a place for such discussions.

I'd like to start out with a comment about raw image contrast. There have been several postings in the main threads about whether or not the MSL raw images have been stretched like those from the MER missions. I am certainly no expert on this, but it looks to me as if the MSL images have not been stretched at all. I haven't tried to analyze all of the image types, but the hazcams and navcams have pixel brightness histograms that are very different from their MER counterparts.

This attached image compares MER and MSL navcams along with their luminosity histograms.
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The MSL images clearly are not using the entire, available range of brightness values, whereas the MER raws do. For this reason, the MSL raw images can usually be nicely enhanced by simply stretching the distribution of brightness across the full 256 value range.


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- CosmicRocker   MSL Images & Cameras   Aug 16 2012, 11:05 PM
- - Phil Stooke   I don't do anaglyphs so I can't get techni...   Aug 26 2012, 04:35 PM
- - fredk   I think what Art's suggesting is adjusting the...   Aug 26 2012, 05:17 PM
|- - Art Martin   Yes, that's exactly what I was wondering about...   Aug 26 2012, 08:09 PM
- - Pando   Here's my attempt at creating a 3d anaglyph im...   Aug 26 2012, 06:59 PM
- - ngunn   QUOTE (john_s @ Aug 26 2012, 06:55 PM) Ac...   Aug 26 2012, 07:49 PM
- - Roby72   A few remarks about the near focus of the mastcams...   Aug 27 2012, 08:22 PM
|- - mcaplinger   QUOTE (Roby72 @ Aug 27 2012, 01:22 PM) Di...   Aug 27 2012, 08:55 PM
- - PDP8E   Back from a little vacation, and catching up on al...   Aug 28 2012, 12:12 AM
|- - mcaplinger   QUOTE (PDP8E @ Aug 27 2012, 05:12 PM) ......   Aug 28 2012, 12:49 AM
|- - ElkGroveDan   Sounds like a great task for a trusted college int...   Aug 28 2012, 04:06 AM
|- - mcaplinger   QUOTE (ElkGroveDan @ Aug 27 2012, 09:06 P...   Aug 28 2012, 04:44 AM
|- - ugordan   QUOTE (mcaplinger @ Aug 28 2012, 06:44 AM...   Aug 28 2012, 07:57 AM
|- - mcaplinger   QUOTE (ugordan @ Aug 28 2012, 12:57 AM) w...   Aug 28 2012, 02:03 PM
- - JohnVV   the jpg issue is mostly solved http://imgbox.com/...   Aug 28 2012, 07:30 AM
|- - ugordan   QUOTE (JohnVV @ Aug 28 2012, 09:30 AM) th...   Aug 28 2012, 07:59 AM
|- - RegiStax   QUOTE (ugordan @ Aug 28 2012, 09:59 AM) J...   Aug 28 2012, 09:40 AM
- - jmknapp   I wonder what the effective bits per pixel of the ...   Aug 28 2012, 10:08 AM
|- - mcaplinger   QUOTE (jmknapp @ Aug 28 2012, 03:08 AM) I...   Aug 28 2012, 01:48 PM
|- - Airbag   QUOTE (mcaplinger @ Aug 28 2012, 08:48 AM...   Aug 28 2012, 02:39 PM
|- - jmknapp   QUOTE (mcaplinger @ Aug 28 2012, 08:48 AM...   Aug 28 2012, 07:47 PM
|- - mcaplinger   QUOTE (jmknapp @ Aug 28 2012, 12:47 PM) W...   Aug 28 2012, 08:25 PM
|- - jmknapp   QUOTE (mcaplinger @ Aug 28 2012, 04:25 PM...   Aug 29 2012, 12:32 AM
|- - Airbag   That explains it all Joe - thanks! This made m...   Aug 29 2012, 06:44 PM
|- - jmknapp   QUOTE (Airbag @ Aug 29 2012, 02:44 PM) .....   Aug 29 2012, 07:01 PM
||- - Airbag   Joe, I think you may have the wrong "law...   Aug 29 2012, 07:29 PM
|- - mcaplinger   QUOTE (Airbag @ Aug 29 2012, 11:44 AM) Th...   Aug 29 2012, 07:48 PM
- - Floyd   mcaplinger We all really appreciate the fantastic...   Aug 28 2012, 03:05 PM
|- - ugordan   Airbag, also look up photon shot noise to see why ...   Aug 28 2012, 03:09 PM
- - Airbag   Ugordan, But photon shot noise is less of an issu...   Aug 28 2012, 04:17 PM
|- - mcaplinger   QUOTE (Airbag @ Aug 28 2012, 09:17 AM) Bu...   Aug 28 2012, 04:22 PM
|- - Airbag   I was looking at shot noise from a S/N point of vi...   Aug 28 2012, 06:30 PM
- - fredk   This is interesting. A suggestion: look at the ca...   Aug 29 2012, 07:37 PM
- - RoverDriver   I don't know, but is it possible these images ...   Aug 29 2012, 07:54 PM
|- - ugordan   QUOTE (RoverDriver @ Aug 29 2012, 09:54 P...   Aug 29 2012, 09:02 PM
- - jmknapp   Anyone know why the "full frame" raw MAS...   Sep 8 2012, 12:12 AM
|- - Deimos   QUOTE (jmknapp @ Sep 8 2012, 01:12 AM) An...   Sep 8 2012, 12:49 AM
|- - jmknapp   QUOTE (Deimos @ Sep 7 2012, 08:49 PM) But...   Sep 8 2012, 01:37 AM
|- - iMPREPREX   Hey folks. I see a lot of controversy here in rega...   Sep 9 2012, 07:04 PM
|- - fredk   QUOTE (iMPREPREX @ Sep 9 2012, 07:04 PM) ...   Sep 9 2012, 07:33 PM
|- - iMPREPREX   All I have is a pattern I can't get rid of. Wo...   Sep 9 2012, 08:29 PM
- - EdTruthan   Here's a HUMONGOUS ANAGLYPH for anyone so incl...   Sep 10 2012, 05:23 AM
- - Nix   woaw, very nice work..   Sep 10 2012, 05:32 PM
- - fredk   I second that. Very nicely done. Let's hope ...   Sep 10 2012, 05:47 PM
|- - EdTruthan   QUOTE (fredk @ Sep 10 2012, 10:47 AM) Let...   Sep 11 2012, 05:26 PM
- - morganism   The web interview with our camera operator ! ...   Sep 10 2012, 10:47 PM
- - elakdawalla   Oh my. I'm actually not bothered by the fuzzin...   Sep 11 2012, 05:59 PM
- - fredk   Now that's being resourceful! Very cool.   Sep 11 2012, 07:07 PM
- - fredk   And here's my attempt at combining sol13 mastc...   Sep 11 2012, 08:04 PM
- - EdTruthan   Very Nice! I find it interesting to note how l...   Sep 11 2012, 11:31 PM
- - Eyesonmars   I've been wondering if it is technically feasi...   Sep 12 2012, 07:35 PM
|- - mcaplinger   QUOTE (Eyesonmars @ Sep 12 2012, 12:35 PM...   Sep 12 2012, 08:30 PM
- - Eyesonmars   Thanks mcaplinger for the response. Perhaps I rea...   Sep 12 2012, 09:08 PM
- - fredk   Maybe software could use sparsely timed images (li...   Sep 12 2012, 09:10 PM
|- - mcaplinger   QUOTE (fredk @ Sep 12 2012, 02:10 PM) May...   Sep 12 2012, 09:22 PM
|- - Deimos   QUOTE (fredk @ Sep 12 2012, 09:10 PM) It ...   Sep 12 2012, 10:02 PM
- - climber   I must admit there's something I don't und...   Sep 13 2012, 11:50 AM
|- - dvandorn   QUOTE (climber @ Sep 13 2012, 06:50 AM) I...   Sep 13 2012, 12:32 PM
|- - pospa   QUOTE (climber @ Sep 13 2012, 01:50 PM) I...   Sep 13 2012, 12:38 PM
|- - centsworth_II   QUOTE (pospa @ Sep 13 2012, 07:38 AM) Thi...   Sep 13 2012, 01:00 PM
- - Tesheiner   There were several posts about this topic on the l...   Sep 13 2012, 12:50 PM
- - climber   Thank you ALL! Believe me, I read ALL posts bu...   Sep 13 2012, 01:52 PM
- - fredk   For the navcams, here's my guess. We've d...   Sep 15 2012, 07:36 PM
|- - ugordan   QUOTE (fredk @ Sep 15 2012, 09:36 PM) Or ...   Sep 15 2012, 07:42 PM
|- - mcaplinger   QUOTE (fredk @ Sep 15 2012, 12:36 PM) We...   Sep 15 2012, 07:52 PM
- - Eluchil   When comparing the left and right Mastcams of the ...   Sep 16 2012, 06:54 AM
|- - mcaplinger   QUOTE (Eluchil @ Sep 15 2012, 11:54 PM) l...   Sep 16 2012, 02:57 PM
|- - Eluchil   QUOTE (mcaplinger @ Sep 16 2012, 03:57 PM...   Sep 17 2012, 07:06 AM
|- - centsworth_II   QUOTE (Eluchil @ Sep 17 2012, 03:06 AM) ....   Sep 17 2012, 12:07 PM
- - djellison   Blue filters on a bayer filter can often be nIR tr...   Sep 16 2012, 07:04 AM
- - Ant103   Oh nooo, what have they done ? Auto-white balanc...   Sep 18 2012, 01:57 PM
|- - MahFL   I don't know if it's me or what but the MS...   Sep 18 2012, 02:02 PM
- - dvandorn   As one of the first people to mention that the nav...   Sep 18 2012, 02:30 PM
|- - fredk   QUOTE (dvandorn @ Sep 18 2012, 02:30 PM) ...   Sep 18 2012, 03:14 PM
- - mhoward   Well, the Navcam image quality on the web improved...   Sep 18 2012, 02:49 PM
- - Ant103   Well yes, dark sand and over exposed rocks ? http:...   Sep 18 2012, 03:09 PM
|- - ronald   QUOTE (Ant103 @ Sep 18 2012, 05:09 PM) I ...   Sep 20 2012, 07:05 AM
- - Ant103   No Fredk. What has been lost, has been lost. If yo...   Sep 18 2012, 03:41 PM
|- - Doc   I think you're right Ant. I study with B/W son...   Sep 18 2012, 05:05 PM
|- - djellison   QUOTE (Ant103 @ Sep 18 2012, 08:41 AM) bu...   Sep 18 2012, 07:31 PM
- - fredk   You can reproduce the overall look of the old imag...   Sep 18 2012, 06:14 PM
- - Ant103   So, I could think that "people" have som...   Sep 18 2012, 08:23 PM
- - EdTruthan   Hopefully what we're seeing has been temporari...   Sep 18 2012, 10:43 PM
|- - fredk   FWIW, my guess is that jpl received masses of emai...   Sep 18 2012, 11:33 PM
- - markril   I'll just comment that I like the change (impr...   Sep 19 2012, 01:19 AM
- - Ant103   About 3 months if I'm correct ? Scuse me but, ...   Sep 19 2012, 01:48 AM
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