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CosmicRocker
post Aug 16 2012, 11:05 PM
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I'm still trying to figure out a number of things about the new images we are trying to work with. Assuming others are likewise trying to learn, I thought I would open this thread to create a place for such discussions.

I'd like to start out with a comment about raw image contrast. There have been several postings in the main threads about whether or not the MSL raw images have been stretched like those from the MER missions. I am certainly no expert on this, but it looks to me as if the MSL images have not been stretched at all. I haven't tried to analyze all of the image types, but the hazcams and navcams have pixel brightness histograms that are very different from their MER counterparts.

This attached image compares MER and MSL navcams along with their luminosity histograms.
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The MSL images clearly are not using the entire, available range of brightness values, whereas the MER raws do. For this reason, the MSL raw images can usually be nicely enhanced by simply stretching the distribution of brightness across the full 256 value range.


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- CosmicRocker   MSL Images & Cameras   Aug 16 2012, 11:05 PM
- - djellison   Blue filters on a bayer filter can often be nIR tr...   Sep 16 2012, 07:04 AM
- - Ant103   Oh nooo, what have they done ? Auto-white balanc...   Sep 18 2012, 01:57 PM
|- - MahFL   I don't know if it's me or what but the MS...   Sep 18 2012, 02:02 PM
- - dvandorn   As one of the first people to mention that the nav...   Sep 18 2012, 02:30 PM
|- - fredk   QUOTE (dvandorn @ Sep 18 2012, 02:30 PM) ...   Sep 18 2012, 03:14 PM
- - mhoward   Well, the Navcam image quality on the web improved...   Sep 18 2012, 02:49 PM
- - Ant103   Well yes, dark sand and over exposed rocks ? http:...   Sep 18 2012, 03:09 PM
|- - ronald   QUOTE (Ant103 @ Sep 18 2012, 05:09 PM) I ...   Sep 20 2012, 07:05 AM
- - Ant103   No Fredk. What has been lost, has been lost. If yo...   Sep 18 2012, 03:41 PM
|- - Doc   I think you're right Ant. I study with B/W son...   Sep 18 2012, 05:05 PM
|- - djellison   QUOTE (Ant103 @ Sep 18 2012, 08:41 AM) bu...   Sep 18 2012, 07:31 PM
- - fredk   You can reproduce the overall look of the old imag...   Sep 18 2012, 06:14 PM
- - Ant103   So, I could think that "people" have som...   Sep 18 2012, 08:23 PM
- - EdTruthan   Hopefully what we're seeing has been temporari...   Sep 18 2012, 10:43 PM
|- - fredk   FWIW, my guess is that jpl received masses of emai...   Sep 18 2012, 11:33 PM
- - markril   I'll just comment that I like the change (impr...   Sep 19 2012, 01:19 AM
- - Ant103   About 3 months if I'm correct ? Scuse me but, ...   Sep 19 2012, 01:48 AM
|- - xflare   QUOTE (Ant103 @ Sep 19 2012, 02:48 AM) Th...   Sep 20 2012, 08:54 AM
- - ronald   Couldn't find an answer so far - can please so...   Sep 20 2012, 07:48 PM
|- - mcaplinger   QUOTE (ronald @ Sep 20 2012, 12:48 PM) ca...   Sep 20 2012, 08:57 PM
|- - ronald   Thank you for the link. Two more: The combined Ca...   Sep 21 2012, 06:09 AM
|- - vikingmars   QUOTE (ronald @ Sep 21 2012, 08:09 AM) Th...   Sep 23 2012, 11:50 AM
|- - djellison   QUOTE (vikingmars @ Sep 23 2012, 03:50 AM...   Sep 23 2012, 09:08 PM
|- - markril   QUOTE (djellison @ Sep 23 2012, 02:08 PM)...   Sep 23 2012, 09:31 PM
|- - vikingmars   QUOTE (markril @ Sep 23 2012, 11:31 PM) I...   Sep 24 2012, 10:19 AM
|- - Paul Fjeld   QUOTE (vikingmars @ Sep 24 2012, 05:19 AM...   Sep 24 2012, 03:09 PM
- - udolein   How can I demosaic the bayer filter treated Curios...   Sep 22 2012, 01:17 PM
|- - Nix   You can download GIMP (GIMP.org) and the plugin G...   Sep 22 2012, 01:47 PM
|- - udolein   Thanks-a-lot. Works ! Regards Udo   Sep 22 2012, 03:43 PM
- - jmknapp   How would the night sky look at Gale Crater? Would...   Sep 22 2012, 08:10 PM
|- - Joffan   QUOTE (jmknapp @ Sep 22 2012, 02:10 PM) I...   Sep 22 2012, 08:42 PM
- - ngunn   I'll go with 'magnificent'. Dust isn...   Sep 22 2012, 08:20 PM
- - fredk   There was lots of night imaging from Spirit of cou...   Sep 22 2012, 09:40 PM
|- - markril   QUOTE (fredk @ Sep 22 2012, 01:40 PM) As ...   Sep 23 2012, 02:02 PM
- - fredk   The problem is precision. I'd be surprized if...   Sep 23 2012, 04:51 PM
|- - jmknapp   QUOTE (fredk @ Sep 23 2012, 12:51 PM) I...   Sep 23 2012, 05:58 PM
- - djellison   Let's see if Mars behaves the same as that win...   Sep 23 2012, 10:44 PM
- - fredk   The lighting's very different between those so...   Sep 24 2012, 02:35 PM
|- - vikingmars   QUOTE (fredk @ Sep 24 2012, 04:35 PM) Th...   Sep 24 2012, 03:46 PM
- - djellison   Note - you're not using calibrated data - you...   Sep 24 2012, 04:52 PM
- - jmknapp   The date on that magnet study was June 2011, which...   Sep 24 2012, 05:31 PM
|- - mcaplinger   QUOTE (jmknapp @ Sep 24 2012, 10:31 AM) w...   Sep 24 2012, 05:59 PM
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|- - vikingmars   QUOTE (djellison @ Sep 24 2012, 08:11 PM)...   Sep 24 2012, 10:32 PM
|- - ronatu   QUOTE (djellison @ Sep 24 2012, 02:11 PM)...   Sep 24 2012, 11:53 PM
- - iMPREPREX   There appears to be dust on the right MastCam acco...   Sep 26 2012, 06:50 AM
- - Explorer1   Do you mean the little fleck on the middle top of ...   Sep 26 2012, 07:31 AM
|- - xflare   QUOTE (Explorer1 @ Sep 26 2012, 08:31 AM)...   Sep 26 2012, 08:49 AM
||- - mhoward   I haven't noticed any decrease in quality of t...   Sep 26 2012, 12:03 PM
||- - vikingmars   100% agree with you ! They are great workable ...   Sep 26 2012, 12:25 PM
|- - mcaplinger   QUOTE (Explorer1 @ Sep 26 2012, 12:31 AM)...   Sep 26 2012, 01:20 PM
|- - iMPREPREX   QUOTE (mcaplinger @ Sep 26 2012, 08:20 AM...   Sep 26 2012, 08:09 PM
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- - pospa   Please don't lapidate me and excuse for mayb...   Sep 26 2012, 02:44 PM
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- - pospa   Thanks, fredk. I'm at UMSF almost daily but th...   Sep 26 2012, 04:07 PM
- - Greenish   I don't post much but am a daily reader of thi...   Oct 10 2012, 05:12 PM
|- - mcaplinger   1 doesn't apply, there have been lots of narro...   Oct 10 2012, 05:55 PM
- - ronald   I did made some tests but the false colored (using...   Oct 10 2012, 07:05 PM
- - Greenish   Thanks for the replies. I had overlooked the gray...   Oct 10 2012, 10:17 PM
|- - mcaplinger   QUOTE (Greenish @ Oct 10 2012, 03:17 PM) ...   Oct 11 2012, 03:46 AM
|- - Greenish   Thanks again, mcaplinger, for the clarification an...   Oct 11 2012, 02:42 PM
- - mcaplinger   I've seen quite a bit of difference in how peo...   Oct 14 2012, 03:25 PM
|- - ronald   QUOTE (mcaplinger @ Oct 14 2012, 05:25 PM...   Oct 14 2012, 06:09 PM
|- - ugordan   QUOTE (ronald @ Oct 14 2012, 08:09 PM) So...   Oct 14 2012, 06:53 PM
||- - Eyesonmars   QUOTE (ugordan @ Oct 14 2012, 07:53 PM) N...   Oct 14 2012, 09:23 PM
||- - AndyG   QUOTE (Eyesonmars @ Oct 14 2012, 10:23 PM...   Oct 14 2012, 11:24 PM
||- - ronald   QUOTE (AndyG @ Oct 15 2012, 01:24 AM) My ...   Oct 15 2012, 08:56 AM
|- - mcaplinger   QUOTE (ronald @ Oct 14 2012, 11:09 AM) I ...   Oct 14 2012, 07:15 PM
|- - ronald   QUOTE (mcaplinger @ Oct 14 2012, 09:15 PM...   Oct 14 2012, 07:56 PM
|- - mcaplinger   QUOTE (ronald @ Oct 14 2012, 12:56 PM) So...   Oct 14 2012, 08:32 PM
|- - DDAVIS   Unfortunately this article is behind a paywall, bu...   Oct 14 2012, 09:05 PM
|- - vikingmars   QUOTE (DDAVIS @ Oct 14 2012, 11:05 PM) - ...   Oct 14 2012, 11:11 PM
- - Zeke4ther   That definitely looks better. The black strut loo...   Oct 14 2012, 05:25 PM
- - Deimos   I tend to be more on the side of expecting the sky...   Oct 14 2012, 10:40 PM
|- - ngunn   QUOTE (Deimos @ Oct 14 2012, 11:40 PM) On...   Oct 14 2012, 11:00 PM
|- - stevesliva   QUOTE (Deimos @ Oct 14 2012, 06:40 PM) Th...   Oct 14 2012, 11:39 PM
|- - mcaplinger   QUOTE (Deimos @ Oct 14 2012, 03:40 PM) Un...   Oct 15 2012, 04:45 AM
||- - Deimos   Smith & Lemmon 1999 (MPF special issue) talks ...   Oct 15 2012, 08:32 AM
||- - mcaplinger   QUOTE (Deimos @ Oct 15 2012, 01:32 AM) Sm...   Oct 15 2012, 04:55 PM
|- - vikingmars   QUOTE (Deimos @ Oct 15 2012, 12:40 AM) I ...   Oct 16 2012, 08:26 AM
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|- - mcaplinger   QUOTE (EdTruthan @ Oct 15 2012, 12:26 PM)...   Oct 15 2012, 08:34 PM
|- - EdTruthan   QUOTE (mcaplinger @ Oct 15 2012, 01:34 PM...   Oct 16 2012, 02:38 AM
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|- - mcaplinger   QUOTE (atomoid @ Oct 15 2012, 05:08 PM) t...   Oct 16 2012, 12:22 AM
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- - Ant103   Ronald, you just can't made deduction starting...   Oct 18 2012, 11:07 AM
|- - mcaplinger   QUOTE (Ant103 @ Oct 18 2012, 04:07 AM) So...   Oct 18 2012, 04:12 PM
|- - ronald   Absolutely right regarding percieved brightness an...   Oct 18 2012, 05:21 PM
||- - atomoid   Ronald's links reveal the shadows depict the s...   Oct 19 2012, 12:24 AM
|- - fredk   QUOTE (mcaplinger @ Oct 18 2012, 04:12 PM...   Oct 18 2012, 05:56 PM
|- - mcaplinger   QUOTE (fredk @ Oct 18 2012, 10:56 AM) Wha...   Oct 19 2012, 05:57 AM
- - ronald   I can Even on the now stretched image above t...   Oct 18 2012, 01:05 PM
- - ugordan   Mastcam images should be your reference point, not...   Oct 18 2012, 02:49 PM
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