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Sep 26 2012, 10:22 PM
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I'd like a discussion thread about the geology detatched from the time limits of current MSL threads. We had a 'Geomorphology of Cape York' thread that attracted a lot of interesting posts. How about 'Geomorphology of Gale Crater'? I have one or two ideas but many more questions, and I'd like to post them in a longer-running thread away from the day to day imaging discussion. Any other takers?
For starters, does anybody have a contour map of this place like the one at Meridiani with 5m intervals? ADMIN: You have your wishes fulfilled on UMSF (sometimes) |
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Oct 6 2012, 08:53 PM
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Senior Member ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 3516 Joined: 4-November 05 From: North Wales Member No.: 542 |
It's fun to look at those craterlets and imagine the kind of one-off event you describe, although I'm having difficulty with the idea of individual bubbles of the required size. There's a long timespan and a wide range for climate parameters (including, crucially, the total mass of the atmosphere) available as possible conditions for the processes that formed this landcape so it's open season for imaginative suggestions, I think.
EDIT: I've looked again and the crater sizes go right down there: too small for impacts under any kind of atmosphere. Interesting. |
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Oct 6 2012, 09:08 PM
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I agree. It is great fun to try to imagine processes that are beyond our earth biased experiences.
Over on the "Temperature and Pressure" topic I've been making trouble with the goal of perhaps gaining some insight into the subject of this thread. It is hard to imagine how water might behave around the triple point on a large scale in a low g environment since it is beyond our earthly experience. But small changes can have major phase consequences. In addition, in the low Martian gravity I would imagine the bubbles would grow larger than on earth .... true? |
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ngunn Geomorphology of Gale Crater Sep 26 2012, 10:22 PM
Eyesonmars I'm a little confused about the layers on Mt. ... Sep 27 2012, 12:42 AM
Ondaweb QUOTE (ngunn @ Sep 26 2012, 05:22 PM) How... Sep 27 2012, 01:25 AM
Phil Stooke Sediment settling out of a fluid onto a flat surfa... Sep 27 2012, 01:25 AM
dvandorn One rim of Gale Crater is quite a bit higher above... Sep 27 2012, 03:16 AM
Explorer1 Could we figure out a ballpark estimate for the si... Sep 27 2012, 03:20 AM
serpens Great idea ngunn.
To appreciate the variations in... Sep 27 2012, 04:34 AM
ngunn (Thanks admin )
I have been wondering about the ... Sep 27 2012, 07:39 AM
jmknapp The operative sentence from the Anderson/Bell pape... Sep 27 2012, 10:11 AM
ngunn Also in that paper (pp107-8) is discussion of the ... Sep 27 2012, 06:03 PM
Chmee Great idea for this thread.
Since there is no obvi... Sep 27 2012, 08:25 PM
djellison QUOTE (Chmee @ Sep 27 2012, 01:25 PM) Sin... Sep 27 2012, 08:30 PM
ngunn Add to that the possibility of quite a lot of ice ... Sep 27 2012, 08:45 PM
Eyesonmars Also note that Curiosity is sitting on or very nea... Sep 27 2012, 09:16 PM
serpens QUOTE (Eyesonmars @ Sep 27 2012, 10:16 PM... Sep 28 2012, 05:10 AM

Eyesonmars QUOTE (serpens @ Sep 28 2012, 05:10 AM) N... Sep 28 2012, 01:18 PM
atomoid QUOTE (Eyesonmars @ Sep 27 2012, 02:16 PM... Sep 29 2012, 01:34 AM
dvandorn QUOTE (atomoid @ Sep 28 2012, 08:34 PM) i... Sep 29 2012, 02:36 AM
fthurber QUOTE (dvandorn @ Sep 28 2012, 10:36 PM) ... Oct 1 2012, 01:47 AM
Don1 Anybody like the idea of a mud volcano for Mt Shar... Sep 28 2012, 05:48 AM
xflare What kind of theories and ideas are floating aroun... Sep 28 2012, 08:41 AM
ngunn See the discussion I referred to in post 10 for st... Sep 28 2012, 10:46 AM
Art Martin I'm having a hard time reconciling from the ne... Sep 28 2012, 08:01 PM
ngunn QUOTE (Art Martin @ Sep 28 2012, 09:01 PM... Sep 28 2012, 08:05 PM
Phil Stooke Art, Mt Sharp runs all around the south horizon fr... Sep 28 2012, 08:08 PM
elakdawalla I made this two days ago -- it's an un-polar p... Sep 28 2012, 08:08 PM
ngunn QUOTE (elakdawalla @ Sep 28 2012, 09:08 P... Sep 28 2012, 09:40 PM
Art Martin Thanks, so much clearer now. I just had no idea o... Sep 28 2012, 08:41 PM
elakdawalla That is precisely what I was using it for. Don... Sep 28 2012, 10:17 PM
fthurber QUOTE (elakdawalla @ Sep 28 2012, 06:17 P... Sep 28 2012, 10:57 PM
elakdawalla Here you go. Attached version is 3600 pixels wide ... Sep 29 2012, 12:15 AM
drz1111 A question about redox and sedimentary paleoenviro... Oct 1 2012, 05:59 PM
elakdawalla Re: Hottah, that's a good question, and there ... Oct 1 2012, 07:03 PM
Eyesonmars The area Curiosity has been traversing has quite a... Oct 1 2012, 08:50 PM
drz1111 QUOTE (elakdawalla @ Oct 1 2012, 03:03 PM... Oct 1 2012, 09:11 PM
ngunn Eyesonmars: Interesting question. Here's an of... Oct 1 2012, 09:31 PM
Eyesonmars QUOTE (ngunn @ Oct 1 2012, 09:31 PM) Like... Oct 2 2012, 07:41 PM
ngunn I've just come across this detailed thermal in... Oct 4 2012, 08:39 PM
djellison Yes - the full size is here : http://www.nasa.gov/... Oct 4 2012, 09:34 PM
ngunn Brilliant! Thanks Doug. While you're on th... Oct 4 2012, 09:56 PM
djellison Contour - no - but there is this - http://photojou... Oct 4 2012, 10:10 PM
ngunn That's good, and there's also this:
http:/... Oct 4 2012, 10:30 PM
Eyesonmars True. But even at 100 meters/pixel you can just ma... Oct 4 2012, 11:12 PM
elakdawalla Peter Grindrod has a good blog entry on this topic... Oct 4 2012, 11:17 PM
ngunn Just what I was looking for, thanks Emily. Oct 5 2012, 08:48 AM
ngunn I am particularly intrigued by the enclosed depres... Oct 6 2012, 09:30 AM
Eyesonmars QUOTE (ngunn @ Oct 6 2012, 10:30 AM) I am... Oct 6 2012, 07:26 PM
serpens QUOTE (Eyesonmars @ Oct 6 2012, 09:08 PM)... Oct 7 2012, 03:22 AM
ngunn QUOTE (serpens @ Oct 7 2012, 04:22 AM) Th... Oct 7 2012, 07:40 AM
Eyesonmars Also - as you queried - Where is the water flowing... Oct 6 2012, 09:30 PM
ngunn QUOTE (Eyesonmars @ Oct 6 2012, 10:30 PM)... Oct 6 2012, 10:12 PM
Ondaweb QUOTE (Eyesonmars @ Oct 6 2012, 04:30 PM)... Oct 7 2012, 09:30 PM
Fran Ontanaya Mmh, is the assumed order of events: 1) the last s... Oct 7 2012, 08:59 AM
serpens The filled then excavated crater hypothesis seems ... Oct 7 2012, 02:00 PM
ngunn There are contours derived from CTX by Peter Grind... Oct 7 2012, 09:51 PM
pgrindrod After a few requests, I've made some base maps... Oct 8 2012, 04:16 PM
ngunn Extremely helpful and much, much appreciated. Oct 8 2012, 07:10 PM
Ondaweb Thanks Pete, very helpful indeed. One of the thin... Oct 9 2012, 01:23 AM
jmknapp A paper from the MSL team to be delivered at the G... Oct 16 2012, 02:30 AM
Stellingwerff Hi Joe,
I think you are slightly too high up the ... Oct 16 2012, 05:34 AM
CosmicRocker QUOTE (jmknapp @ Oct 15 2012, 08:30 PM) A... Oct 16 2012, 06:16 AM
jmknapp Ludo, thanks for that--looks like a good inference... Oct 16 2012, 11:24 AM
Zelenyikot Greetings from Russia
I want to share my obser... Nov 5 2012, 05:24 AM
acastillo Hi, my first post.
The problem with a volcanic in... Nov 5 2012, 06:06 PM
dvandorn QUOTE (Phil Stooke @ Nov 28 2012, 03:37 P... Nov 28 2012, 04:35 PM
elakdawalla One feature very common to Gale crater, both its f... Nov 28 2012, 04:48 PM
ddan QUOTE (elakdawalla @ Nov 28 2012, 11:48 A... Nov 28 2012, 05:12 PM
mcaplinger QUOTE (ddan @ Nov 28 2012, 10:12 AM) One ... Nov 28 2012, 06:25 PM
SteveM The uniformitarian in me gets nervous when I read ... Nov 28 2012, 08:08 PM

serpens QUOTE (SteveM @ Nov 28 2012, 09:08 PM) Th... Nov 29 2012, 09:13 PM
Chmee QUOTE (mcaplinger @ Nov 28 2012, 01:25 PM... Nov 29 2012, 06:45 PM
Phil Stooke At some point if the debris breaks down into suffi... Nov 28 2012, 05:41 PM
ngunn It's a great phrase isn't it? Get's yo... Nov 28 2012, 08:27 PM
Actionman QUOTE (ngunn @ Nov 28 2012, 03:27 PM) Wit... Nov 29 2012, 01:10 PM
Zelenyikot My thought involves this element. It looks as a wa... Nov 29 2012, 02:52 AM
djellison Are you suggesting that Mt Sharp is just a pile of... Nov 29 2012, 03:02 PM
Actionman yes, maybe
glacial cone/funnel
Some evidence woul... Nov 29 2012, 05:41 PM
Phil Stooke There is plenty of evidence for glaciers elsewhere... Nov 29 2012, 05:50 PM
Actionman It's a cinch we're not going to be finding... Nov 30 2012, 12:20 AM
djellison QUOTE (Actionman @ Nov 29 2012, 04:20 PM)... Nov 30 2012, 12:36 AM
centsworth_II QUOTE (Actionman @ Nov 29 2012, 07:20 PM)... Nov 30 2012, 02:34 AM
elakdawalla QUOTE (Actionman @ Nov 29 2012, 04:20 PM)... Nov 30 2012, 05:50 AM
Actionman I'm sorry elakda for making it sound too you l... Nov 30 2012, 12:13 PM
centsworth_II QUOTE (Actionman @ Nov 30 2012, 07:13 AM)... Nov 30 2012, 01:45 PM
djellison QUOTE (Actionman @ Nov 30 2012, 04:13 AM)... Nov 30 2012, 04:36 PM
ngunn I think the term you want is 'basement rock... Nov 30 2012, 12:43 PM
Stellingwerff QUOTE We see chucks of basalt everywhere BUT what ... Nov 30 2012, 01:04 PM
Actionman And thank you Ludo.
Make it so Nov 30 2012, 01:14 PM
Ant103 Can I ask something ? Not very important, but for ... Nov 30 2012, 05:46 PM
djellison QUOTE (Ant103 @ Nov 30 2012, 09:46 AM) Ca... Nov 30 2012, 06:01 PM
ElkGroveDan Not a good idea. The science of geology is what i... Nov 30 2012, 05:54 PM
Actionman In this GIF from the above Mr. Anderson and James ... Nov 30 2012, 05:54 PM
djellison QUOTE (Actionman @ Nov 30 2012, 09:54 AM)... Nov 30 2012, 06:16 PM
Ant103 Okay, I understand totaly I was just asking. It... Nov 30 2012, 06:06 PM
Actionman Basal and basalt are important distinctions both o... Nov 30 2012, 06:38 PM
djellison You can not scatter 'basal' on the surface... Nov 30 2012, 06:44 PM
ngunn With the Anderson and Bell diagram easily to hand ... Nov 30 2012, 07:09 PM
djellison We're (I think) in the area where the HP, HTIF... Nov 30 2012, 07:14 PM![]() ![]() |
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