IPB
X   Site Message
(Message will auto close in 2 seconds)

Welcome Guest ( Log In | Register )

3 Pages V  < 1 2 3 >  
Reply to this topicStart new topic
Rev 175 - Nov 19-Dec 3, 2012 - T88 and Saturn's north pole
Ant103
post Nov 29 2012, 05:34 PM
Post #16


Senior Member
****

Group: Members
Posts: 1621
Joined: 12-February 06
From: Bergerac - FR
Member No.: 678



Color mosaic of the Northern hemisphere, with the hexagonal polar vortex.



--------------------
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
machi
post Nov 29 2012, 06:30 PM
Post #17


Member
***

Group: Members
Posts: 796
Joined: 27-February 08
From: Heart of Europe
Member No.: 4057



Beautiful!


--------------------
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
kemcab2012
post Nov 29 2012, 09:10 PM
Post #18


Junior Member
**

Group: Members
Posts: 20
Joined: 9-October 12
Member No.: 6697



Wow, Ant103, that's gorgeous!


--------------------
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
Bjorn Jonsson
post Nov 29 2012, 11:35 PM
Post #19


IMG to PNG GOD
****

Group: Moderator
Posts: 2257
Joined: 19-February 04
From: Near fire and ice
Member No.: 38



I'm finding it increasingly hard to believe that we are not seeing vertical relief - and let's not forget that vertical relief is visible in clouds in images of the Earth, Jupiter and Neptune at comparable (or lower) resolution. Here is a small two image example centered at the pole:

Attached Image


Two cloud features are marked with red. Looking at their motion relative to nearby features strongly suggests to me that they are at a higher altitude than nearby, darker features. I get the impression that they lie roughly 10 pixels above the lower (?) cloud deck. This translates into a ~20-40 km difference in altitude, depending on the exact image resolution at the pole (which I know only crudely at this time).

I can't rule out an optical illusion though and there's another problem that makes interpreting the images more complicated: It's obvious from this image pair that the shape of the bright clouds can change quickly.
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
machi
post Nov 30 2012, 12:55 AM
Post #20


Member
***

Group: Members
Posts: 796
Joined: 27-February 08
From: Heart of Europe
Member No.: 4057



I see definitely vertical relief:
Attached thumbnail(s)
Attached Image
 


--------------------
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
ngunn
post Nov 30 2012, 11:28 PM
Post #21


Senior Member
****

Group: Members
Posts: 3516
Joined: 4-November 05
From: North Wales
Member No.: 542



Ant103: Lovely, but my students will ask- what is the red dot?
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
Ant103
post Dec 1 2012, 11:40 AM
Post #22


Senior Member
****

Group: Members
Posts: 1621
Joined: 12-February 06
From: Bergerac - FR
Member No.: 678



Thank you all smile.gif

@ngunn : a red dot ? Where ? Maybe you are talking about the cosmic ray visible on the right side of the mosaic ?


--------------------
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
machi
post Dec 1 2012, 12:20 PM
Post #23


Member
***

Group: Members
Posts: 796
Joined: 27-February 08
From: Heart of Europe
Member No.: 4057



I think that ngunn meant red dot at top left part of the hexagon


--------------------
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
ngunn
post Dec 1 2012, 02:36 PM
Post #24


Senior Member
****

Group: Members
Posts: 3516
Joined: 4-November 05
From: North Wales
Member No.: 542



Yes that's the one. It kind of leaps out at you when you focus in on the hexagon. (I notice also a fainter red streak crossing the terminator nearby.)
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
eoincampbell
post Dec 1 2012, 07:25 PM
Post #25


Member
***

Group: Members
Posts: 399
Joined: 28-August 07
From: San Francisco
Member No.: 3511



The views from this orbit are astounding ! Thanks for sharing.


--------------------
'She drove until the wheels fell off...'
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
Ant103
post Dec 1 2012, 09:21 PM
Post #26


Senior Member
****

Group: Members
Posts: 1621
Joined: 12-February 06
From: Bergerac - FR
Member No.: 678



Ah yes, I'm seeing it now.

I can explain it after examination of the raw images. In order to produce this high resolution mosaic, I used the 256*256 px RGB frames, overlayed onto the CL 1024*1024px ones. It appears that on the red layer of one of the pictures there is a cosmic ray, not visible on the green, blue and greyscale pictures. And with the upscalling of the color layer, this "red" cosmic ray have grown into a blurrish dot. Here is the explanation.


--------------------
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
dilo
post Dec 1 2012, 09:22 PM
Post #27


Senior Member
****

Group: Members
Posts: 2492
Joined: 15-January 05
From: center Italy
Member No.: 150



These pictures are simply incredible!
Here below an RGB merge of 3 images taken close in time with different filters (N00198382+83+85):
Attached Image

Note: colors are arbitrary and do not reflects real coloration!


--------------------
I always think before posting! - Marco -
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
Bjorn Jonsson
post Dec 4 2012, 09:23 PM
Post #28


IMG to PNG GOD
****

Group: Moderator
Posts: 2257
Joined: 19-February 04
From: Near fire and ice
Member No.: 38



This should be about the best I can do with these images:

Saturn north polar movie (tweened)

This is a 'tweened' sequence of all 7 CB2 images obtained over a period of approximately 5 hours (the images are separated in time by ~50 minutes). I reprojected the images after reverse engineering the viewing geometry. This wasn't very accurate so I also warped them to 'stabilize' things a bit (especially the big, dark 'circle' around the pole). The final step was to use Sqirlz morph to 'tween' the sequence. This was fairly easy since everything revolves around the pole. In contrast, a movie I did from PDS data several years ago (see this thread) was difficult to tween since features move into view from one edge of the image and then disappear at the other edge.

The resulting movie reveals lots of interesting stuff. It's obvious that most/all of the big spots rotate clockwise and some of the small ones clearly do so as well.

The CB2 images are the sharpest ones from this sequence of images. The red images are also pretty good but they are 'only' 512x512 pixels so I decided to use CB2 only.

Cassini's distance from Saturn's north pole was ~400,000 km during the imaging sequence (it varies by ~40,000 km). This translates into a resolution of ~2.5 km/pixel. The spacecraft was ~40 degrees above the north pole.

A much better version of this movie should be possible once this stuff hits the PDS 10 months from now.
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
dvandorn
post Dec 5 2012, 03:01 AM
Post #29


Senior Member
****

Group: Members
Posts: 3419
Joined: 9-February 04
From: Minneapolis, MN, USA
Member No.: 15



Say, guys? Where'd y'all put that swear jar?

Incredible work, Bjorn! Sort of puts paid to any question that the clouds are casting shadows, doesn't it?

-the other Doug


--------------------
“The trouble ain't that there is too many fools, but that the lightning ain't distributed right.” -Mark Twain
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
toddbronco2
post Dec 6 2012, 04:14 PM
Post #30


Junior Member
**

Group: Members
Posts: 33
Joined: 25-March 10
Member No.: 5281



QUOTE (Bjorn Jonsson @ Dec 4 2012, 01:23 PM) *
This is a 'tweened' sequence of all 7 CB2 images obtained over a period of approximately 5 hours


That's an amazing video! Well done!
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post

3 Pages V  < 1 2 3 >
Reply to this topicStart new topic

 



RSS Lo-Fi Version Time is now: 16th December 2024 - 04:38 AM
RULES AND GUIDELINES
Please read the Forum Rules and Guidelines before posting.

IMAGE COPYRIGHT
Images posted on UnmannedSpaceflight.com may be copyrighted. Do not reproduce without permission. Read here for further information on space images and copyright.

OPINIONS AND MODERATION
Opinions expressed on UnmannedSpaceflight.com are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily reflect the opinions of UnmannedSpaceflight.com or The Planetary Society. The all-volunteer UnmannedSpaceflight.com moderation team is wholly independent of The Planetary Society. The Planetary Society has no influence over decisions made by the UnmannedSpaceflight.com moderators.
SUPPORT THE FORUM
Unmannedspaceflight.com is funded by the Planetary Society. Please consider supporting our work and many other projects by donating to the Society or becoming a member.