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Feb 5 2013, 04:59 PM
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Does there exist a list of all the evidence of water on Mars, listed by spacecraft?
Ideally, it would be a list with a short description and a link to a story or news release. For example: Mars Global Surveyor: NASA Images Suggest Water Still Flows in Brief Spurts on Mars http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/mars/new...s-20061206.html Phoenix: NASA Spacecraft Confirms Martian Water, Mission Extended http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/phoenix/...x-20080731.html Opportunity: NASA Mars Rover Finds Mineral Vein Deposited by Water http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/mer/news/mer20111207.html I know I could spend some time and extend the list that I've started above, but if someone or some organization has already done it I'd hate to reinvent the wheel! Thank you. |
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Feb 5 2013, 06:10 PM
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Thanks for the reply!
I think I should have been a little more specific in my post. Sometimes I forget that people can't read everything I think about when I am typing. I work in a planetarium, so I do shows on Mars for the public and for schools. I would love to have just a highlights list--what scientists and/or NASA E/PO think are the (for example) 10, 20, 50 "best" discoveries of evidence of water on Mars. Every month it seems there is a new release saying "best evidence yet!" so that makes me think, ok, what was the last "best evidence yet!" and the one before, and the one before, etc. I would use it a number of ways. For my own background information, so I am ready to answer the question from a student or general public "how do we know there is/was water there?" in 30 seconds or less. That applies for my student employees, too. They wouldn't have the same time to dedicate to learning about this topic as I do, so I would want to give them a simple list. It would also be great to include in handouts I give to teachers. I may be asking a lot, with the only answer being "do it yourself and use your best judgement." |
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Feb 6 2013, 06:15 PM
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There are a few different parts of the answer, broken down by ice/liquid/vapor, and past/present. And past includes many past eras.
Phoenix took a photo of the ice like a hockey rink in the polar subsurface, so that's about as direct evidence as you could ask for regarding the ice/present combination. That was no great surprise after Mars Odyssey showed the extent of subsurface ice by detecting where neutrons were absorbed by hydrogen (which is a component of virtually no other mineral than water ice). Pointers to other key evidence are: MGS and MRO: Orbital observation of gullies formed in the present. MRO: Orbital detection of minerals that are likely formed only in water. Opportunity: In situ detection of minerals and geomorphology that indicates standing (acidic) water. This is far from exhaustive, but if you only have 30 seconds, you can only say so much. |
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Feb 6 2013, 08:01 PM
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This is far from exhaustive, but if you only have 30 seconds, you can only say so much. Water vapor was detected and globally mapped by the Viking Orbiter MAWD instrument, and the residual north polar cap was confirmed to be water ice by Viking as well. There was some Earth-based spectroscopy in the 1950s that suggested the polar caps were water ice, but I'm not sure how definitive those were. -------------------- Disclaimer: This post is based on public information only. Any opinions are my own.
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Feb 8 2013, 03:36 PM
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Water vapor was detected and globally mapped by the Viking Orbiter MAWD instrument, and the residual north polar cap was confirmed to be water ice by Viking as well. There was some Earth-based spectroscopy in the 1950s that suggested the polar caps were water ice, but I'm not sure how definitive those were. Water vapor was identified in 1963: Spinrad H, Münch G, Kaplan LD. 1963. Letter to the Editor: the Detection of Water Vapor on Mars. Astrophysical Journal 137: 1319 Water ice in clouds in 1973: Curran RJ, Conrath BJ, Hanel RA, Kunde VG, Pearl JC. 1973. Mars: Mariner 9 Spectroscopic Evidence for H<SUB>2</SUB>O Ice Clouds. Science 182: 381-3 |
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Feb 8 2013, 07:56 PM
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On a meta-level, I recall that Earth-based spectroscopy of the planets has a long history that began with inappropriately low standards of calibration, so water vapor may have been "detected" in the atmosphere of Mars a long time before it was actually detected. It may be hard to know now which early efforts actually observed water vapor in Earth's atmosphere and simply attributed it to Mars. But certainly the time came when these studies were done right.
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Feb 8 2013, 08:35 PM
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...I recall that Earth-based spectroscopy of the planets has a long history that began with inappropriately low standards of calibration... Hence my caveat about Earth-based detection upthread. I didn't do any research on Mike Wolff's citation of Spinrad 1963 to form an opinion about whether it was certainly right or just happened to match reality. I'm fairly sure there was no credible result to 1950 or so; see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Mars_observation for an incomplete survey of this. -------------------- Disclaimer: This post is based on public information only. Any opinions are my own.
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pumpkinpie List of evidence for water on Mars Feb 5 2013, 04:59 PM
elakdawalla It would be a long list. Don't look for press ... Feb 5 2013, 05:09 PM
pumpkinpie Simple, but very helpful! Thanks! Feb 6 2013, 07:57 PM
mwolff QUOTE (JRehling @ Feb 8 2013, 01:56 PM) O... Feb 10 2013, 03:28 PM
JRehling Speaking just to the spectroscopic detection of H2... Feb 12 2013, 12:17 AM
elakdawalla This sounds like a pitch for a magazine article. I... Feb 5 2013, 06:36 PM
nprev IIRC, they did the same around the same time for t... Feb 6 2013, 10:58 PM
ElkGroveDan ADMIN HAT ON
Let's be clear here everyone bef... Feb 10 2013, 05:01 PM
belleraphon1 There was a conference earlier this month at UCLA ... Feb 28 2013, 11:55 AM
marsbug Pardon the thread necromancy, but this seems like ... Jul 3 2014, 11:12 PM
serpens Not even mildly damp. With 1 to 2% of perchlorate... Jul 4 2014, 07:52 AM
marsbug There's certainly nothing to forgive, I think ... Jul 4 2014, 04:19 PM
TheAnt Studies done at Niels Bohr institute in Copenhagen... Apr 9 2015, 11:43 AM
marsbug This makes me wonder: If ice, at a lattitude and a... Apr 9 2015, 04:21 PM
TheAnt On Earth you will often find water under a glacier... Apr 10 2015, 09:09 AM
serpens A glacier is by definition dynamic. So are they c... Apr 12 2015, 12:41 AM
TheAnt QUOTE (serpens @ Apr 12 2015, 02:41 AM) I... Apr 17 2015, 10:36 AM
katodomo QUOTE (TheAnt @ Apr 17 2015, 12:36 PM) Gl... Apr 17 2015, 07:08 PM
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dolphin Rumor suggests a discovery of flowing water. I wou... Sep 27 2015, 06:03 AM
nprev If that has any validity it would probably be a re... Sep 27 2015, 06:39 AM
dolphin QUOTE (nprev @ Sep 27 2015, 06:39 AM) If ... Sep 27 2015, 08:16 AM
drz1111 Just like the Atacama. Cool that it happens at th... Sep 28 2015, 03:15 PM
dudley Clear evidence of liquid water on Mars' surfac... Sep 28 2015, 05:38 PM
scalbers The lowered melting point in the presence of perch... Sep 28 2015, 06:00 PM
JRehling Some rather acrobatic surface missions that we mig... Sep 28 2015, 06:12 PM
Gsnorgathon A loooong time ago I saw an item somewhere on the ... Sep 28 2015, 06:48 PM
stevesliva QUOTE (Gsnorgathon @ Sep 28 2015, 01:48 P... Sep 28 2015, 08:50 PM
dudley There seems to be a good deal of concern that visi... Sep 28 2015, 07:19 PM
marsophile In this morning's press conference on Recurren... Sep 28 2015, 07:39 PM
ElkGroveDan QUOTE Ojha first noticed these puzzling features a... Sep 28 2015, 08:06 PM
Steve G Will someone please correct me if I am wrong. Eit... Sep 28 2015, 08:17 PM
elakdawalla MGS found slope streaks; recurring slope lineae ar... Sep 28 2015, 08:18 PM
gpurcell Seems to me a reasonably priced approach could be ... Sep 28 2015, 09:31 PM
atomoid I was also confused about the RSL vs 'slope st... Sep 28 2015, 10:19 PM
dolphin Am I missing something? Why would briny perchlorat... Sep 28 2015, 10:22 PM
brellis One of the blurbs alluded to the possibility of an... Sep 28 2015, 10:36 PM
JRehling My sense is:
The subsurface ice layer (as seen un... Sep 28 2015, 11:43 PM
serpens I have to admit to being a touch underwhelmed by t... Sep 29 2015, 02:45 AM
pac56 I think the news is they did spectral analysis of ... Sep 29 2015, 06:17 AM
marsbug I'd point towards Emily's blog as well. WR... Sep 29 2015, 08:59 AM
dvandorn It seems to me that the confirmation of liquid wat... Sep 29 2015, 03:15 PM
surbiton QUOTE (dvandorn @ Sep 29 2015, 04:15 PM) ... Sep 29 2015, 04:11 PM
JRehling QUOTE (dvandorn @ Sep 29 2015, 08:15 AM) ... Sep 29 2015, 04:36 PM
marsophile http://www.hou.usra.edu/meetings/lpsc2015/pdf/2327... Sep 30 2015, 02:51 AM
Explorer1 The fact that these features are spread out over s... Sep 30 2015, 03:50 AM
JRehling I think there are lots of ways to study/sample the... Sep 30 2015, 05:00 PM
serpens JRehling's post #47 proposing the water source... Oct 1 2015, 04:45 AM
Explorer1 'Fluidizing agent found on Mars' doesn... Oct 1 2015, 04:51 AM
serpens This makes for rather interesting reading.
http... May 20 2016, 08:14 AM
marsbug The question marks around the RSL's are growin... Aug 24 2016, 11:38 AM
serpens Well Spirit at Tyrone demonstrated that a thin lay... Aug 27 2016, 03:14 AM
Julius A study published discussing inverted river channe... Aug 29 2016, 08:12 PM
serpens The linked Planetary Society blog article provides... May 9 2019, 12:48 AM
HSchirmer QUOTE (serpens @ May 9 2019, 01:48 AM) Th... Jun 19 2019, 05:05 PM
marsbug I don't know if this has been mentioned before... Feb 21 2020, 05:56 PM
serpens Here is the complete abstract from the LPSC 2020 M... Feb 24 2020, 06:35 AM
HSchirmer QUOTE (marsbug @ Feb 21 2020, 05:56 PM) I... Feb 24 2020, 02:17 PM
atomoid You're right we don't hear much on this an... Feb 25 2020, 09:49 PM
marsbug Just generally, from my physics background, layman... Feb 27 2020, 02:11 PM
Marz I'm sharing this LPSC abstract because it is q... Mar 16 2021, 11:26 PM
marsbug My apologies for the thread necromancy, but it see... Apr 29 2023, 01:13 AM
HSchirmer QUOTE (marsbug @ Apr 29 2023, 02:13 AM) M... Apr 30 2023, 04:21 PM
serpens This is in accord with modeled changes in the obli... May 3 2023, 12:39 PM
titanicrivers Not sure if this is the best topic for this post o... Mar 21 2024, 06:14 PM
antipode Water frost deposition in the Calderas of Martian ... Jun 13 2024, 01:27 AM![]() ![]() |
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