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INCOMING!: метеорита в Челябинске, Russian Meteor - February 2013 |
Feb 15 2013, 07:01 AM
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Looks like a small meteoroid decided to spoil 2012 DA14's big day by exploding over Russia...
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Feb 15 2013, 07:00 PM
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Feb 15 2013, 07:11 PM
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Apparently, due to Russian laws pertaining to insurance claims, many cars in Russia have dashboard cams (do the Youtube search 'Russia dash cam' I am waiting for a video that includes both the main flash and the arrival of the shock wave. That would allow us to estimate the distance and height above the ground of the detonation, and hence the minimum energy needed to cause at least 1 kPa of overpressure. I am betting it will be a figure in the low megaton range. A low kiloton-range explosion is already excluded in my opinion. The interval between explosion and shock wave hitting would have been too short, in the 20-30 second range, which I believe is already ruled out from the existing videos. |
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Feb 15 2013, 07:59 PM
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The interval between explosion and shock wave hitting would have been too short, in the 20-30 second range, which I believe is already ruled out from the existing videos. This video in particular shows a very long delay between start of filming and shock arrival, but it's obvious from the viewing angle that it's a ways off from the groundtrack so a minimum slant distance (here at least 23 km) is all we can infer. It does also show an unseen building smoking, perhaps it's the collapsed roof of the zinc factory. That amount of damage at that kind of range seems to support a high kiloton range. However, it's dangerous to infer too much from blast effects at these ranges as they start to depend upon meteorological conditions - inversion layers in the atmosphere, etc. If the burst was at 20-ish km, I personally would place a bet at around 1 MT. -------------------- |
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Feb 15 2013, 08:09 PM
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This just in, via NASASpaceflight.com: a full length video from the flash to the sound. Whopping 2m 21 sec delay! Bolide starts at around 4:30 in the video.
This sucker was big! -------------------- |
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Feb 16 2013, 06:20 AM
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It's amazing how today's trail resembles fairly well in some respects (thankfully, not all) the artist's visual approximation of the Tunguska event of 1908.
It would be interesting to see today's trail superimposed along a famous mountain chain, or city, to get an idea of its size. I would do it but I don't know how tall it is, or long. Considering it's 30, 40? kilometers away in the above photo, it's a massive explosion high up there! |
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volcanopele INCOMING!: метеорита в Челябинске Feb 15 2013, 07:01 AM
Explorer1 Depends on one's definition of 'small... Feb 15 2013, 07:18 AM
Fran Ontanaya Some info:
http://rt.com/news/meteorite-crash-ura... Feb 15 2013, 08:16 AM
nprev Clearly a major event. I hope that the reported in... Feb 15 2013, 08:27 AM
Explorer1 Direct hit on factory? http://www.youtube.com/watc... Feb 15 2013, 08:43 AM
nprev QUOTE (Explorer1 @ Feb 15 2013, 12:43 AM)... Feb 15 2013, 11:50 AM
dilo An hour ago, Italian television told about russain... Feb 15 2013, 01:26 PM
machi Chelyabinsk's bolid from Meteosat. Feb 15 2013, 11:15 AM
belleraphon1 WOW!...
Hope injuries not serious.
Analysi... Feb 15 2013, 01:01 PM
dvandorn The best of the videos I've seen show the cont... Feb 15 2013, 01:10 PM
TheAnt QUOTE (dvandorn @ Feb 15 2013, 02:10 PM) ... Feb 15 2013, 03:56 PM
machi Dilo, today's SAMs cannot hit and destroy such... Feb 15 2013, 03:33 PM
dilo Yes, machi, I know and I said I was skeptical... Feb 15 2013, 03:46 PM
Phil Stooke The story about intercepting the meteorite is almo... Feb 15 2013, 04:05 PM
Mongo I am trying to get an estimate of the size of the ... Feb 15 2013, 04:08 PM
jasedm Wow!!
That's amazing. Inevitable comp... Feb 15 2013, 04:34 PM
ElkGroveDan With all those videos there's no doubt an exac... Feb 15 2013, 06:22 PM
Gladstoner . Feb 15 2013, 06:45 PM
dvandorn I can certainly see how there was a pretty big exp... Feb 15 2013, 06:51 PM
ugordan QUOTE (dvandorn @ Feb 15 2013, 07:51 PM) ... Feb 15 2013, 07:39 PM
Mongo QUOTE (ugordan @ Feb 15 2013, 08:39 PM) N... Feb 15 2013, 07:57 PM
TheAnt QUOTE (Gladstoner @ Feb 15 2013, 08:00 PM... Feb 15 2013, 07:16 PM
dvandorn FYI, NASA TV is running live coverage of the close... Feb 15 2013, 07:07 PM
dvandorn Oh, cool -- the JPL visualizations manager is show... Feb 15 2013, 07:14 PM
Mongo QUOTE (ugordan @ Feb 15 2013, 09:09 PM) T... Feb 15 2013, 08:21 PM
Bill Harris It will be interesting to see what the "yield... Feb 15 2013, 08:57 PM
Explorer1 At 19 seconds in TheAnt's video (post 311), is... Feb 15 2013, 09:01 PM
helvick Why are we assuming that 1kPa is the level that wo... Feb 15 2013, 10:31 PM
Mongo QUOTE (helvick @ Feb 15 2013, 11:31 PM) W... Feb 15 2013, 10:58 PM
machi Mongo:
I don't know how it's today, but in... Feb 15 2013, 11:28 PM
Gladstoner . Feb 15 2013, 11:34 PM
Mongo Russian meteor largest in a century -- Nature
QUO... Feb 15 2013, 11:47 PM
machi Needless to say, it's still one heck of an exp... Feb 16 2013, 12:19 AM
0101Morpheus Needless to say the little unexpected meteor that ... Feb 16 2013, 01:09 AM
PaulH51 Meanwhile during Sol 187 in the sky above Gale Cra... Feb 16 2013, 02:03 AM
nprev Who knows? The Tunguska impactor left nary a trace... Feb 16 2013, 02:39 AM
dvandorn I've been finger-licking the various videos, a... Feb 16 2013, 02:54 AM
Bill Harris QUOTE I don't know how it's today, but in ... Feb 16 2013, 03:14 AM
Mongo NASA has revised upwards the size of the impactor ... Feb 16 2013, 04:06 AM
Bill Harris Another measure of the energy imparted by this eve... Feb 16 2013, 06:52 AM
walfy According to this source, the main trail, or train... Feb 16 2013, 08:26 AM
xflare If it exploded/disintegrated that high above the g... Feb 16 2013, 09:30 AM
Mongo QUOTE (xflare @ Feb 16 2013, 09:30 AM) If... Feb 16 2013, 01:33 PM
jgoldader Any news yet on the type of the impactor? I saw a... Feb 16 2013, 01:33 PM
ElkGroveDan This is a good graphic for those of you who do out... Feb 16 2013, 04:43 PM
Mongo Interesting graphic, although the impactor is show... Feb 16 2013, 05:04 PM
Paolo back to the other asteroid star of the week, has a... Feb 16 2013, 05:47 PM
djellison As you can see - they're planning to observe i... Feb 16 2013, 07:12 PM
Paolo QUOTE (djellison @ Feb 16 2013, 08:12 PM)... Feb 17 2013, 09:42 AM
Gladstoner . Feb 16 2013, 09:47 PM
nprev That's a good one!
Been trying to figure ... Feb 16 2013, 09:51 PM
Gladstoner . Feb 16 2013, 10:01 PM
helvick Thunder rumbles aren't generally echoes, just ... Feb 16 2013, 11:03 PM
Gladstoner . Feb 16 2013, 11:38 PM
dvandorn I think the first loud report may have been from t... Feb 16 2013, 10:36 PM
Mongo All the videos I have seen that continue past the ... Feb 16 2013, 10:57 PM
Eyesonmars I found it interesting that a number of witnesses ... Feb 17 2013, 01:28 AM
nprev Do you have any references for the heat perception... Feb 17 2013, 03:22 AM
Mongo QUOTE (nprev @ Feb 17 2013, 04:22 AM) Do ... Feb 17 2013, 03:44 AM
Bill Harris QUOTE (Helvick)Thunder rumbles aren't generall... Feb 17 2013, 03:25 AM
ugordan QUOTE (Bill Harris @ Feb 17 2013, 04:25 A... Feb 17 2013, 12:29 PM
dvandorn QUOTE (ugordan @ Feb 17 2013, 06:29 AM) .... Feb 17 2013, 02:48 PM
tasp I noticed in the different clips shown the degree ... Feb 17 2013, 03:27 AM
Bill Harris Do we have any scale information on the cameras us... Feb 17 2013, 06:04 AM
walfy QUOTE (Bill Harris @ Feb 16 2013, 10:04 P... Feb 17 2013, 07:45 AM
walfy ONe more thought for the night: it would be a gre... Feb 17 2013, 07:52 AM
Mongo QUOTE (walfy @ Feb 17 2013, 07:45 AM) For... Feb 17 2013, 01:58 PM
FordPrefect Some interesting photos on this photographers blog... Feb 17 2013, 09:41 AM
Bill Harris QUOTE (FordPrefect)...it really looks like there a... Feb 17 2013, 02:51 PM
ugordan This video shows nicely that incandescence nicely. Feb 17 2013, 02:57 PM
Art Martin I've seen a number of videos of a flaming crat... Feb 17 2013, 05:06 PM
Mongo Those videos and images of a flaming crater are re... Feb 17 2013, 05:10 PM
Art Martin QUOTE (Mongo @ Feb 17 2013, 10:10 AM) Tho... Feb 17 2013, 05:27 PM
Explorer1 The lake impact is probably authentic, but it migh... Feb 17 2013, 06:05 PM
silylene Stefan Geens did a nice job computing the trajecto... Feb 17 2013, 06:26 PM
stevesliva QUOTE (silylene @ Feb 17 2013, 02:26 PM) ... Feb 17 2013, 08:33 PM
Bill Harris QUOTE (ArtMartin)I've seen a number of videos ... Feb 17 2013, 06:54 PM
Art Martin One thing that I've noticed in the cloud the m... Feb 17 2013, 06:59 PM
ugordan I have a theory about the twin cloud trail. I... Feb 17 2013, 07:37 PM
ngunn QUOTE (ugordan @ Feb 17 2013, 07:37 PM) I... Feb 17 2013, 08:49 PM
Mongo The USGS does report a seismic event that originat... Feb 17 2013, 08:55 PM
Bill Harris QUOTE (Bill Harris @ Feb 17 2013, 01:54 P... Feb 17 2013, 09:50 PM
walfy I don't know if this has been discussed yet, a... Feb 17 2013, 10:10 PM
AndyG That's the way (and why) nearby lightning stri... Feb 17 2013, 10:43 PM
Bill Harris I've been doing some reading and the closest ... Feb 18 2013, 04:24 AM
pandaneko I have not read all of the previously uploaded con... Feb 18 2013, 08:46 AM
AndyG Rotation helps for larger asteroids of a rubble-pi... Feb 18 2013, 10:21 AM
remcook Apparently, fragments have now been found http://e... Feb 18 2013, 03:04 PM
Bill Harris Yep, "fragments found" and now we're... Feb 18 2013, 04:20 PM
dvandorn There is likely a rather large "strewn field... Feb 18 2013, 06:43 PM
stevesliva QUOTE (dvandorn @ Feb 18 2013, 02:43 PM) ... Feb 18 2013, 07:50 PM
Explorer1 The boundaries and definitions are rather fuzzy; i... Feb 18 2013, 08:07 PM
Pertinax What kind of confidence is reasonable with the inf... Feb 18 2013, 09:25 PM
Mongo QUOTE (Pertinax @ Feb 18 2013, 09:25 PM) ... Feb 18 2013, 10:19 PM
ugordan QUOTE (Pertinax @ Feb 18 2013, 10:25 PM) ... Feb 18 2013, 11:45 PM![]() ![]() |
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