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High-Temp Electronics For Venus Exploration, recent advances
dtolman
post Mar 13 2013, 03:36 PM
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Also, since I'm thinking about surface operations on Venus, the state-of-the-art in high temperature electronics has advanced quite far in the past decade.
Its now possible to buy off the shelf chips from vendors designed to operate at the 250-300 C range.

Meanwhile basic functionality has been tested at and beyond the temperatures needed for long-term surface operations on Venus:
http://www.grc.nasa.gov/WWW/SiC/
http://www.gizmag.com/extreme-silicon-carb...ctronics/16410/
http://www.grc.nasa.gov/WWW/SiC/publicatio...Contact2010.pdf

Another decade or so and a long-term Venus lander could be possible with (practically) off the shelf electronics!
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- dtolman   High-Temp Electronics For Venus Exploration   Mar 13 2013, 03:36 PM
- - tasp   Having electronics operate at a higher temperature...   Mar 13 2013, 05:50 PM
|- - Robotbeat   Of course, if you can operate at 500C, you don...   Mar 25 2013, 04:30 PM
|- - hendric   QUOTE (Robotbeat @ Mar 25 2013, 10:30 AM)...   Mar 25 2013, 05:02 PM
- - stevesliva   In addition to high-temp industrial applications, ...   Mar 25 2013, 06:51 PM
- - nprev   Silly question: How are they doing surface-mount b...   Mar 26 2013, 12:24 AM
|- - ElkGroveDan   QUOTE (nprev @ Mar 25 2013, 04:24 PM) Sil...   Mar 27 2013, 12:19 AM
- - siravan   I wonder about sources of power. Is there any high...   Mar 27 2013, 12:14 AM
- - nprev   I'm officially your distant relative now, Dan,...   Mar 27 2013, 03:24 AM
|- - mcaplinger   QUOTE (nprev @ Mar 26 2013, 08:24 PM) The...   Mar 27 2013, 03:39 AM
|- - ElkGroveDan   QUOTE (nprev @ Mar 26 2013, 07:24 PM) Ser...   Mar 27 2013, 01:24 PM
|- - mcaplinger   QUOTE (ElkGroveDan @ Mar 27 2013, 06:24 A...   Mar 27 2013, 02:41 PM
- - Explorer1   If one is willing to constrain the landing site by...   Mar 27 2013, 03:44 AM
- - siravan   One small thing in favor of high temperature elect...   Mar 27 2013, 03:15 PM
|- - mcaplinger   QUOTE (siravan @ Mar 27 2013, 08:15 AM) Y...   Mar 27 2013, 04:20 PM
- - siravan   Agree. I didn't think of it from this aspect. ...   Mar 27 2013, 05:16 PM
- - Robotbeat   I've found a microcontroller that's suppos...   Apr 5 2013, 05:56 PM
- - stone   All the ideas are very strange, but NASA Glenn Res...   Apr 8 2013, 06:34 AM
|- - djellison   QUOTE (stone @ Apr 7 2013, 11:34 PM) A la...   Apr 8 2013, 01:32 PM
|- - Robotbeat   QUOTE (djellison @ Apr 8 2013, 07:32 AM) ...   Apr 8 2013, 04:30 PM
- - dtolman   The Solder question is very interesting. Looking i...   Apr 8 2013, 03:00 PM
- - stevesliva   Flash Memory would be vital-- avoids mechanical st...   Apr 8 2013, 03:56 PM
- - tasp   Don't know specifically about vacuum tube came...   Apr 8 2013, 05:43 PM
- - centsworth_II   Why is everyone talking about cameras on Venus lik...   Apr 8 2013, 05:53 PM
- - Gsnorgathon   I'm guessing folks are thinking of design for ...   Apr 8 2013, 06:05 PM
- - Holder of the Two Leashes   No roving. Probably very little change in local w...   Apr 8 2013, 08:42 PM
- - siravan   I think it is unreasonable to expect a full fledge...   Apr 8 2013, 10:38 PM
|- - DFinfrock   QUOTE (siravan @ Apr 8 2013, 10:38 PM) Th...   Apr 9 2013, 03:00 AM
|- - stevesliva   QUOTE (siravan @ Apr 8 2013, 05:38 PM) I ...   Apr 9 2013, 05:42 AM
- - tasp   For instance, the longer the camera lasts, the lon...   Apr 9 2013, 02:44 AM
- - tasp   The rotation period for Venus is sooo long . . . ...   Apr 9 2013, 04:00 AM
- - tasp   However, there are alternatives. For folks with S...   Apr 9 2013, 04:05 AM
- - siravan   Making an IC is the difficult part. It is not clea...   Apr 9 2013, 11:51 AM
|- - dtolman   They've already started making Silicon Carbide...   Apr 9 2013, 02:07 PM
|- - stevesliva   QUOTE (siravan @ Apr 9 2013, 06:51 AM) I...   Apr 9 2013, 04:56 PM
- - Robotbeat   The big problem, I am told, is memory. We can prob...   Jun 11 2013, 12:51 PM
|- - JRehling   I wonder if a "two-brain" strategy might...   Jun 11 2013, 04:50 PM
||- - Robotbeat   Indeed, I had thought of such an approach. It make...   Jun 12 2013, 05:13 PM
|- - stevesliva   QUOTE (Robotbeat @ Jun 11 2013, 08:51 AM)...   Jun 13 2013, 05:37 AM
|- - Robotbeat   QUOTE (stevesliva @ Jun 12 2013, 11:37 PM...   Jun 13 2013, 12:56 PM
|- - stevesliva   QUOTE (Robotbeat @ Jun 13 2013, 08:56 AM)...   Jun 13 2013, 09:24 PM
- - tasp   I'm wondering if something like a corner refle...   Jun 13 2013, 05:48 AM
- - Robotbeat   Power draw is a huge issue, because you can't ...   Jun 17 2013, 01:12 PM
|- - dtolman   Doesn't seem to me that high temperature memor...   Jun 17 2013, 09:13 PM
|- - Robotbeat   QUOTE (dtolman @ Jun 17 2013, 03:13 PM) D...   Jun 18 2013, 12:18 PM
|- - Robotbeat   QUOTE (dtolman @ Jun 17 2013, 03:13 PM) ....   Jun 18 2013, 07:22 PM
- - dtolman   I think you're being pessimistic. The state of...   Jun 18 2013, 02:30 PM
|- - Robotbeat   QUOTE (dtolman @ Jun 18 2013, 08:30 AM) ....   Jun 18 2013, 03:36 PM
|- - dtolman   Its a good thing that Ishtar Terra has temperature...   Jun 18 2013, 06:36 PM
- - stevesliva   ^ Yeah, JFETs don't need that gate insulator. ...   Jun 19 2013, 06:08 AM
- - dtolman   Sorry to keep shining rays of optimism here, but c...   Jun 19 2013, 02:49 PM
|- - Robotbeat   dtolman: Ah, behold the motivating power of provin...   Jun 19 2013, 02:57 PM
|- - Robotbeat   QUOTE (Robotbeat @ Jun 19 2013, 08:57 AM)...   Jun 25 2013, 12:25 PM
- - Bill Harris   I'd suspect that the solution will come from t...   Jun 21 2013, 07:00 PM
- - tasp   Thanx Robotbeat for mentioning the power consumpti...   Jun 25 2013, 03:27 PM
|- - djellison   QUOTE (tasp @ Jun 25 2013, 07:27 AM) The ...   Jun 25 2013, 04:11 PM
- - SpaceListener   If the chamber where it is stored electrical instr...   Jun 25 2013, 08:48 PM
|- - dtolman   If you can get electronics running at ambient, jus...   Jun 26 2013, 03:45 PM
|- - siravan   QUOTE Now we just need high temperature, acid rain...   Jun 26 2013, 05:59 PM
|- - Robotbeat   QUOTE (dtolman @ Jun 26 2013, 10:45 AM) I...   Jun 26 2013, 09:09 PM
|- - dtolman   Thinking about it, perhaps if the goal is electron...   Jun 27 2013, 05:14 PM
|- - Robotbeat   QUOTE (dtolman @ Jun 27 2013, 12:14 PM) T...   Jun 29 2013, 06:15 AM
|- - Xcalibrator   QUOTE A RFI http://go.usa.gov/jtdJ has been issued...   Sep 9 2013, 02:31 PM
|- - dtolman   So when can we find out what the result was for th...   Nov 15 2013, 05:01 PM
- - dtolman   Just 3 months later a series of new 260 C rated ca...   Feb 4 2014, 02:25 AM
- - stevesliva   GE and New York State are moving from 100mm to 150...   Jul 18 2014, 10:52 PM
- - dtolman   Its been a while, but there continues to be a stea...   Jan 9 2015, 03:02 AM
- - elakdawalla   That's cool. Asking in near-perfect ignorance:...   Jan 9 2015, 04:44 PM
|- - mcaplinger   QUOTE (elakdawalla @ Jan 9 2015, 09:44 AM...   Jan 9 2015, 06:25 PM
- - marsbug   A grant has been made to the university of Arkensa...   May 5 2015, 03:14 PM
- - dtolman   A few items of interest: Another new 250C tested c...   May 11 2015, 08:16 PM
- - hendric   Very interesting stuff, can't wait to see a ro...   May 12 2015, 08:14 PM
- - JohnVV   new(ish) carbon nanotube ram chips that can withs...   Jun 3 2015, 03:30 AM
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- - Habukaz   Meta-news: QUOTE Inside the 14-ton, stainless ste...   Sep 3 2015, 09:39 PM
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- - Explorer1   Interesting article I found today: a Sterling engi...   Jul 6 2016, 06:21 PM
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- - hendric   https://arstechnica.com/science/2017/02/venus-comp...   Feb 8 2017, 08:19 PM
|- - JRehling   QUOTE (hendric @ Feb 8 2017, 01:19 PM) Th...   Feb 9 2017, 09:28 PM
|- - algorimancer   QUOTE (JRehling @ Feb 9 2017, 03:28 PM) ....   Feb 10 2017, 07:23 PM
|- - mcaplinger   QUOTE (algorimancer @ Feb 10 2017, 11:23 ...   Feb 13 2017, 06:11 PM
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- - stevesliva   SiC is up to 200mm wafers: https://www.wolfspeed.c...   Jun 4 2024, 09:34 PM

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