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Jan 22 2014, 06:14 PM
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Paper out tomorrow: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-25849871
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Jan 25 2014, 11:44 PM
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An interesting question I haven't seen addressed: what's happening to the water?
Obviously most of it is being lost to space. But even with Ceres' weak gravity, you'd expect some water to recondense at "cold traps" -- cooler spots on Ceres' surface, i.e. in shadowed crater bottoms and at the poles. The technical term for this is "volatile transport", and we see it in some other places in the Solar System, like Jupiter's moon Callisto. (That's why all the impact craters on Callisto's icy surface look slumped and eroded.) If even 1% of the water vapor were to be recaptured, it would accumulate in the polar regions at a rate of a micron or two per year. That may not sound like much, but over astronomical time you'd see meters of accumulated condensation. But we don't see that. Ceres is a very dark body (its albedo is around 0.06, almost as dark as fresh asphalt) and water frost is bright. There are lighter patches on Ceres, but there don't seem to be bright ice caps at the poles. In a little while we'll know more. Patience... Doug M. |
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Jan 26 2014, 01:26 AM
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Speaking of behaviors of processes over astronomical timeframes always runs the risk of ignoring the nature of relatively short-term phenomenah which occur in bursts and blurps. (For example, the overall process of accretion over a 4.6-billion-year period resulted in the Earth-Moon system, but the day of the Big Whack created, in mere hours, the conditions resulting in the current system, its angular momentum, Earth's rotational period, etc.)
If non-homogeneous concentrations of volatiles exist within Ceres' outer crust, maybe water ice spurts and sublimates for a few thousand years and then stops, then later methane ices do the same thing over a few thousand years, etc. Each episode of volatile transport would have its own effect on the surface coatings at the poles and in other cold traps, depending on the specific volatiles being transported and how they react to sunlight and radiation over time, etc. Ceres being so much closer to the Sun than the Jovian and Saturnian moons, it's hard to make direct comparisons, but it's possible that Ceres has (or had) a wider range of volatiles than the moons we've observed, and definitely sees a higher solar constant than do the outer planet moons. These would seem to be important factors, too. As you say, though, much will become more clear as we approach Ceres with Dawn and get some of the hard data that will let us answer some of these questions. -the other Doug -------------------- “The trouble ain't that there is too many fools, but that the lightning ain't distributed right.” -Mark Twain
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remcook Ceres Geology Jan 22 2014, 06:14 PM
alan Comet Piazzi ? Jan 22 2014, 06:22 PM
Paolo paper just out in Nature: Localized sources of wat... Jan 22 2014, 06:32 PM
TheAnt Thank you for the heads up.
Hydroxyl. OH have pre... Jan 22 2014, 07:45 PM
Holder of the Two Leashes QUOTE (alan @ Jan 22 2014, 12:22 PM) Come... Jan 22 2014, 07:47 PM
Explorer1 Will anything be detectable from the camera at hig... Jan 22 2014, 07:54 PM
nprev Dunno if there will be anything visibly detectable... Jan 22 2014, 08:01 PM
AndyG Nprev, the ESA article states:
QUOTE Almost all o... Jan 23 2014, 01:59 PM
vjkane Could we get FedEx to deliver a mass spectrometer ... Jan 22 2014, 08:14 PM
machi 6 kg/s sounds uninteresting but it's 518 tons ... Jan 23 2014, 11:49 AM
nprev I stand corrected, yet skeptical. Always happy to ... Jan 23 2014, 02:35 PM
marsbug Visibility will depend on the exact nature of the ... Jan 23 2014, 03:53 PM
Cruzeiro do Sul QUOTE (TheAnt @ Jan 22 2014, 08:45 PM) ..... Jan 25 2014, 12:32 PM
angel1801 According to the Wikipedia page, Ceres has an axia... Jan 25 2014, 01:47 PM
Doug M. QUOTE (Cruzeiro do Sul @ Jan 25 2014, 02... Jan 25 2014, 11:34 PM
TheAnt @Doug M
Previous to this observation, there had b... Jan 26 2014, 12:04 PM
Fran Ontanaya Any chance of telling if these localized sources c... Jan 26 2014, 07:13 PM
Explorer1 According to the map in the Nature paper, yes they... Jan 26 2014, 07:35 PM
mcgyver Map of supposed water vapour spots:
http://www.na... Mar 12 2015, 01:08 PM
Gladstoner Corresponding features:
Mar 12 2015, 07:30 PM
mcgyver QUOTE (Gladstoner @ Mar 12 2015, 08:30 PM... Mar 13 2015, 08:21 AM
mcgyver Recent paper:
"THE POTENTIAL FOR VOLCANISM ON... Mar 13 2015, 09:42 AM
Gerald QUOTE (mcgyver @ Mar 13 2015, 10:42 AM) I... Mar 13 2015, 02:07 PM
John Broughton QUOTE (mcgyver @ Mar 13 2015, 10:42 AM) R... Mar 15 2015, 01:33 AM
marsbug QUOTE (mcgyver @ Mar 13 2015, 09:42 AM) R... Mar 16 2015, 02:01 PM
TheAnt Nice work there Gerald, really good even.
I reall... Mar 13 2015, 03:30 PM
Gerald QUOTE (TheAnt @ Mar 13 2015, 04:30 PM) I ... Mar 13 2015, 03:59 PM
TheAnt QUOTE (Gerald @ Mar 13 2015, 04:59 PM) Th... Mar 14 2015, 01:56 PM
Phil Stooke "Final confirmation of volcanism should occur... Mar 15 2015, 03:08 AM
mcgyver QUOTE (Phil Stooke @ Mar 15 2015, 04:08 A... Mar 15 2015, 10:13 PM
mcgyver Some ceres maps I found around can help studying t... Mar 18 2015, 11:42 AM
mcgyver And my 3d reconstruction of bright-spots crater (4... Mar 18 2015, 12:47 PM
fredk The DEM has got to be considered very preliminary ... Mar 18 2015, 01:41 PM
mcgyver QUOTE (fredk @ Mar 18 2015, 02:41 PM) The... Mar 18 2015, 03:07 PM
fredk QUOTE (mcgyver @ Mar 18 2015, 04:07 PM) H... Mar 18 2015, 03:56 PM
Paolo the first result when you google it
en.m.wikipedia... Mar 18 2015, 03:20 PM
mcgyver Well, then the DEM data in that area are totally u... Mar 19 2015, 08:46 AM
mcgyver Nature article on Ceres about icy plume over brigh... Mar 19 2015, 09:06 AM
elakdawalla Great find on the DEM -- I'm really surprised ... Mar 19 2015, 03:04 PM
algorimancer QUOTE (elakdawalla @ Mar 19 2015, 10:04 A... Mar 19 2015, 04:23 PM
Phil Stooke The basic rule is always going to be... don't ... Mar 19 2015, 04:26 PM
JohnVV QUOTE "If a DEM is calculated from image pair... Mar 24 2015, 08:37 PM
algorimancer QUOTE (JohnVV @ Mar 24 2015, 03:37 PM) th... Mar 25 2015, 05:17 PM
ngunn From Science Daily website:
https://www.sciencedai... Mar 17 2016, 12:06 PM
TheAnt Polar ice found on Ceres, if this ice is trapped t... Dec 17 2016, 02:47 PM
antipode Haze at Occator crater
on dwarf planet Ceres
ht... Jan 23 2017, 02:57 AM
Stefan I examined the original haze claim and found it to... Jan 31 2017, 04:33 PM
ngunn Thanks for posting that here. Figure 15 on page 4... Feb 1 2017, 10:37 AM
Habukaz Some Dawn scientists think that the dome in the ce... Mar 7 2017, 09:57 PM
marsbug QUOTE (Habukaz @ Mar 7 2017, 09:57 PM) So... Mar 10 2017, 02:46 AM
TheAnt By studying the domes and bright areas at Occator ... Mar 8 2017, 01:11 AM
Daniele_bianchino_Italy QUOTE (TheAnt @ Mar 8 2017, 02:11 AM) By ... Mar 10 2017, 12:31 PM
TheAnt Transient exosphere found at Ceres.
And the solar ... Apr 8 2017, 01:18 PM
Gladstoner Ceres gravity map:
https://photojournal.jpl.nasa.... Oct 26 2017, 05:16 PM
Explorer1 And following-up on that: https://solarsystem.nasa... Oct 26 2017, 09:01 PM
HSchirmer QUOTE (Explorer1 @ Oct 26 2017, 10:01 PM)... Oct 27 2017, 02:30 PM
TheAnt The papers start to pile up high enough to build a... Oct 27 2017, 01:50 PM
antipode Is this a joke?
https://arxiv.org/ftp/arxiv/paper... Dec 6 2017, 06:31 AM
DFortes QUOTE (antipode @ Dec 6 2017, 06:31 AM) I... Dec 6 2017, 01:49 PM
fredk QUOTE (antipode @ Dec 6 2017, 07:31 AM) I... Dec 7 2017, 12:01 AM
fredk QUOTE (fredk @ Dec 7 2017, 01:01 AM) The ... Dec 7 2017, 08:22 PM
Hungry4info Describing what are obviously craters as "sma... Dec 6 2017, 11:45 AM
Gladstoner Well that was painful. Dec 7 2017, 03:50 AM
angel1801 I very rarely post anything here apart from me giv... Dec 7 2017, 04:35 AM
atomoid hilariously painful indeed! gave up trying to ... Dec 8 2017, 12:04 AM
Explorer1 Newly published results showing quite a bit of act... Mar 15 2018, 02:36 AM
nprev Have to wonder if this is partially endogenic, tho... Mar 15 2018, 03:22 AM
JRehling On Ahuna Mons, I wonder how intricate the dynamics... Mar 15 2018, 04:44 PM
antipode A Possible Brine Reservoir Beneath Occator Crater:... Aug 5 2018, 05:30 AM
atomoid Ahuna Mons aka the Lonely Mountain is a plume-driv... Jun 15 2019, 01:57 AM
Marcin600 Interesting relatively new (03 September 2019) art... Dec 28 2019, 07:46 PM
Fran Ontanaya There's some new papers on Ceres
"Recent... Aug 10 2020, 07:11 PM
Webscientist Excellent news regarding the salts of Occator Crat... Aug 11 2020, 08:39 PM![]() ![]() |
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