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Jan 22 2014, 06:14 PM
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Paper out tomorrow: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-25849871
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Mar 13 2015, 09:42 AM
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Recent paper:
"THE POTENTIAL FOR VOLCANISM ON CERES DUE TO CRUSTAL THICKENING AND PRESSURIZATION OF A SUBSURFACE OCEAN." http://www.hou.usra.edu/meetings/lpsc2015/pdf/2831.pdf QUOTE interior evolution models for Ceres [e.g. 2-5] suggest that differentiation is likely, forming a layered structure with a rocky interior (possibly with a separated iron core), overlain by water and ice layers. Furthermore, these models suggest that there is sufficient heat available that a liquid water layer could survive under an icy exterior to the present day. I can't yet understand where this heat come from. Does "[e.g. 2-5]" mean "references from [2] to [5]"?. QUOTE Because ice takes up a larger volume than the equivalent mass of water, the freezing of liquid water onto the base of an icy shell will cause the shell to expand slightly and lead to tensile stress in the shell. This also has the effect of increasing the pressure in the ocean, possibly to the point of driving liquid to the surface. So the model suggests NOT that there's enough heating to create a water geyser (as I supposed), but there's a "squeezing" of the ocean by the ice crust. QUOTE For Ceres (r= 475 km), which is intermediate in size between those bodies, we assume as our initial condition that the rocky core is ~300 km in radius with an overlying ocean and an icy shell 25 km thick. This corresponds to the state of Ceres 500 Myr after its formation in the models of [5]. In the models of [5], the shell thickens over the subsequent 4 Gyr at an approximately linear rate of ~20 km/Gyr. QUOTE cracks can propagate to at least 200 km depth, which is about the maximum possible thickness of an ice shell for Ceres. QUOTE for every 1 km of thickening of the shell, approximately 25 m of liquid could erupt over the entire surface but beware of QUOTE The requirement that the ice layer behave like an intact, elastic shell could pose a problem, especially in the case where the tensile strength of ice is exceeded well before the ocean pressure is sufficient to drive material to the surface.
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Mar 15 2015, 01:33 AM
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Recent paper: "THE POTENTIAL FOR VOLCANISM ON CERES DUE TO CRUSTAL THICKENING AND PRESSURIZATION OF A SUBSURFACE OCEAN." http://www.hou.usra.edu/meetings/lpsc2015/pdf/2831.pdf Coincidence or not, that paper appears to have been released on March 1, more than two weeks ahead of next week's Lunar and Planetary Science Conference, and a day after I proposed the same volcanism-driving mechanism in post #542, on the 'Dawn approaches Ceres' topic. They make no mention of salt deposits though, as a consequence of the release of seawater, hence I expect we'll see evidence of that in spectral results from Dawn. Final confirmation of volcanism should occur by May or June, when central pits show up in those bright spots. |
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remcook Ceres Geology Jan 22 2014, 06:14 PM
alan Comet Piazzi ? Jan 22 2014, 06:22 PM
Paolo paper just out in Nature: Localized sources of wat... Jan 22 2014, 06:32 PM
TheAnt Thank you for the heads up.
Hydroxyl. OH have pre... Jan 22 2014, 07:45 PM
Holder of the Two Leashes QUOTE (alan @ Jan 22 2014, 12:22 PM) Come... Jan 22 2014, 07:47 PM
Explorer1 Will anything be detectable from the camera at hig... Jan 22 2014, 07:54 PM
nprev Dunno if there will be anything visibly detectable... Jan 22 2014, 08:01 PM
AndyG Nprev, the ESA article states:
QUOTE Almost all o... Jan 23 2014, 01:59 PM
vjkane Could we get FedEx to deliver a mass spectrometer ... Jan 22 2014, 08:14 PM
machi 6 kg/s sounds uninteresting but it's 518 tons ... Jan 23 2014, 11:49 AM
nprev I stand corrected, yet skeptical. Always happy to ... Jan 23 2014, 02:35 PM
marsbug Visibility will depend on the exact nature of the ... Jan 23 2014, 03:53 PM
Cruzeiro do Sul QUOTE (TheAnt @ Jan 22 2014, 08:45 PM) ..... Jan 25 2014, 12:32 PM
angel1801 According to the Wikipedia page, Ceres has an axia... Jan 25 2014, 01:47 PM
Doug M. QUOTE (Cruzeiro do Sul @ Jan 25 2014, 02... Jan 25 2014, 11:34 PM
Doug M. An interesting question I haven't seen address... Jan 25 2014, 11:44 PM
dvandorn Speaking of behaviors of processes over astronomic... Jan 26 2014, 01:26 AM
TheAnt @Doug M
Previous to this observation, there had b... Jan 26 2014, 12:04 PM
Fran Ontanaya Any chance of telling if these localized sources c... Jan 26 2014, 07:13 PM
Explorer1 According to the map in the Nature paper, yes they... Jan 26 2014, 07:35 PM
mcgyver Map of supposed water vapour spots:
http://www.na... Mar 12 2015, 01:08 PM
Gladstoner Corresponding features:
Mar 12 2015, 07:30 PM
mcgyver QUOTE (Gladstoner @ Mar 12 2015, 08:30 PM... Mar 13 2015, 08:21 AM
Gerald QUOTE (mcgyver @ Mar 13 2015, 10:42 AM) I... Mar 13 2015, 02:07 PM
marsbug QUOTE (mcgyver @ Mar 13 2015, 09:42 AM) R... Mar 16 2015, 02:01 PM
TheAnt Nice work there Gerald, really good even.
I reall... Mar 13 2015, 03:30 PM
Gerald QUOTE (TheAnt @ Mar 13 2015, 04:30 PM) I ... Mar 13 2015, 03:59 PM
TheAnt QUOTE (Gerald @ Mar 13 2015, 04:59 PM) Th... Mar 14 2015, 01:56 PM
Phil Stooke "Final confirmation of volcanism should occur... Mar 15 2015, 03:08 AM
mcgyver QUOTE (Phil Stooke @ Mar 15 2015, 04:08 A... Mar 15 2015, 10:13 PM
mcgyver Some ceres maps I found around can help studying t... Mar 18 2015, 11:42 AM
mcgyver And my 3d reconstruction of bright-spots crater (4... Mar 18 2015, 12:47 PM
fredk The DEM has got to be considered very preliminary ... Mar 18 2015, 01:41 PM
mcgyver QUOTE (fredk @ Mar 18 2015, 02:41 PM) The... Mar 18 2015, 03:07 PM
fredk QUOTE (mcgyver @ Mar 18 2015, 04:07 PM) H... Mar 18 2015, 03:56 PM
Paolo the first result when you google it
en.m.wikipedia... Mar 18 2015, 03:20 PM
mcgyver Well, then the DEM data in that area are totally u... Mar 19 2015, 08:46 AM
mcgyver Nature article on Ceres about icy plume over brigh... Mar 19 2015, 09:06 AM
elakdawalla Great find on the DEM -- I'm really surprised ... Mar 19 2015, 03:04 PM
algorimancer QUOTE (elakdawalla @ Mar 19 2015, 10:04 A... Mar 19 2015, 04:23 PM
Phil Stooke The basic rule is always going to be... don't ... Mar 19 2015, 04:26 PM
JohnVV QUOTE "If a DEM is calculated from image pair... Mar 24 2015, 08:37 PM
algorimancer QUOTE (JohnVV @ Mar 24 2015, 03:37 PM) th... Mar 25 2015, 05:17 PM
ngunn From Science Daily website:
https://www.sciencedai... Mar 17 2016, 12:06 PM
TheAnt Polar ice found on Ceres, if this ice is trapped t... Dec 17 2016, 02:47 PM
antipode Haze at Occator crater
on dwarf planet Ceres
ht... Jan 23 2017, 02:57 AM
Stefan I examined the original haze claim and found it to... Jan 31 2017, 04:33 PM
ngunn Thanks for posting that here. Figure 15 on page 4... Feb 1 2017, 10:37 AM
Habukaz Some Dawn scientists think that the dome in the ce... Mar 7 2017, 09:57 PM
marsbug QUOTE (Habukaz @ Mar 7 2017, 09:57 PM) So... Mar 10 2017, 02:46 AM
TheAnt By studying the domes and bright areas at Occator ... Mar 8 2017, 01:11 AM
Daniele_bianchino_Italy QUOTE (TheAnt @ Mar 8 2017, 02:11 AM) By ... Mar 10 2017, 12:31 PM
TheAnt Transient exosphere found at Ceres.
And the solar ... Apr 8 2017, 01:18 PM
Gladstoner Ceres gravity map:
https://photojournal.jpl.nasa.... Oct 26 2017, 05:16 PM
Explorer1 And following-up on that: https://solarsystem.nasa... Oct 26 2017, 09:01 PM
HSchirmer QUOTE (Explorer1 @ Oct 26 2017, 10:01 PM)... Oct 27 2017, 02:30 PM
TheAnt The papers start to pile up high enough to build a... Oct 27 2017, 01:50 PM
antipode Is this a joke?
https://arxiv.org/ftp/arxiv/paper... Dec 6 2017, 06:31 AM
DFortes QUOTE (antipode @ Dec 6 2017, 06:31 AM) I... Dec 6 2017, 01:49 PM
fredk QUOTE (antipode @ Dec 6 2017, 07:31 AM) I... Dec 7 2017, 12:01 AM
fredk QUOTE (fredk @ Dec 7 2017, 01:01 AM) The ... Dec 7 2017, 08:22 PM
Hungry4info Describing what are obviously craters as "sma... Dec 6 2017, 11:45 AM
Gladstoner Well that was painful. Dec 7 2017, 03:50 AM
angel1801 I very rarely post anything here apart from me giv... Dec 7 2017, 04:35 AM
atomoid hilariously painful indeed! gave up trying to ... Dec 8 2017, 12:04 AM
Explorer1 Newly published results showing quite a bit of act... Mar 15 2018, 02:36 AM
nprev Have to wonder if this is partially endogenic, tho... Mar 15 2018, 03:22 AM
JRehling On Ahuna Mons, I wonder how intricate the dynamics... Mar 15 2018, 04:44 PM
antipode A Possible Brine Reservoir Beneath Occator Crater:... Aug 5 2018, 05:30 AM
atomoid Ahuna Mons aka the Lonely Mountain is a plume-driv... Jun 15 2019, 01:57 AM
Marcin600 Interesting relatively new (03 September 2019) art... Dec 28 2019, 07:46 PM
Fran Ontanaya There's some new papers on Ceres
"Recent... Aug 10 2020, 07:11 PM
Webscientist Excellent news regarding the salts of Occator Crat... Aug 11 2020, 08:39 PM![]() ![]() |
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