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Mar 5 2014, 12:53 AM
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Mar 18 2014, 05:48 AM
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I am not an expert in such things, but I was thinking along the lines of the Honeywell Aerospace Satellite Data Server.
See http://www.honeywell.com/sites/aero/Data-P...A6EC2FAE1F6.htm It's radiation-hardened, but of course that's for the Earth orbit environment. Perhaps a combination of this design and spot shielding would enable Jovian operations. The Honeywell product is 16 Tbits. I believe there are larger recorders, but they may be classified. |
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Mar 18 2014, 11:58 AM
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I was thinking along the lines of the Honeywell Aerospace Satellite Data Server. The lack of specs makes this hard to evaluate, but the box looks like it weighs multiple kilos and it doesn't say what memory technology it uses. A typical box designed for the GEO environment will have a hard time at Jupiter without a lot of extra shielding. A lot. -------------------- Disclaimer: This post is based on public information only. Any opinions are my own.
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Mar 18 2014, 03:47 PM
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My understanding is that the core spacecraft electronics are less of a problem than the sensor electronics. The former can be put inside a radiation shielded vault (think aluminum plates and surrounding fuel tanks). The sensor heads, on the other hand, must be exposed to the environment (although they can be shielded on sides other than their viewing outlet).
NASA is using a lot of the preformulation money to fund radiation hardening of the instruments. -------------------- |
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Mar 18 2014, 04:48 PM
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My understanding is that the core spacecraft electronics are less of a problem than the sensor electronics. Less of a problem, though getting non-volatile memory to survive is still a significant issue. At any rate, we were discussing this in the context of a very small spacecraft. IMHO, this is simply infeasible with current technology for a whole host of reasons. As for sensors, there's nothing I can say without getting into competition-sensitive areas. From an engineering perspective, I don't see a lot of rational and realistic system trades having been made as far as Europa missions are concerned. -------------------- Disclaimer: This post is based on public information only. Any opinions are my own.
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MahFL NASA Europa Missions Mar 5 2014, 12:53 AM
vexgizmo But would that mission do any science? And would ... Mar 8 2014, 04:35 PM
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Roly I appreciate that Europa missions are amongst the ... Mar 11 2014, 10:56 AM
vjkane I looked at various options that may be considered... Mar 12 2014, 08:06 AM
Roly Dear Van,
Many thanks for this - the post was pr... Mar 12 2014, 11:27 AM
Vultur I dunno if this is the right place for this... but... Mar 15 2014, 08:49 PM
nprev Because the ice crust may be recycled over reasona... Mar 15 2014, 09:42 PM
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JRehling The age of Europa's surface is approximately 6... Mar 16 2014, 02:26 PM
dvandorn I also believe that while Europa may recycle crust... Mar 16 2014, 12:40 PM
Explorer1 Anything on the surface will be fried by the radia... Mar 16 2014, 08:14 PM
dvandorn Yes, materials right on the surface of Europa woul... Mar 16 2014, 08:56 PM
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algorimancer Some years back I was contemplating the possibilit... Mar 17 2014, 08:28 PM
djellison QUOTE (algorimancer @ Mar 17 2014, 01:28 ... Mar 17 2014, 09:31 PM
ngunn First, a big round of applause for DSN Now. Every... Mar 17 2014, 10:04 PM
djellison Doesn't matter if you get your delta-V from mo... Mar 17 2014, 10:22 PM
Explorer1 But saving all that mass by not carrying a giganti... Mar 17 2014, 11:17 PM
mcaplinger QUOTE (Explorer1 @ Mar 17 2014, 04:17 PM)... Mar 18 2014, 02:22 AM
Explorer1 Oh, I know it's all SF (per Doug's reply t... Mar 18 2014, 02:49 AM
dvandorn Actually, the concept of a self-navigating Earth-r... Mar 18 2014, 03:18 AM
monitorlizard As far as maximizing science return for minimum co... Mar 18 2014, 04:43 AM
mcaplinger QUOTE (monitorlizard @ Mar 17 2014, 09:43... Mar 18 2014, 05:18 AM
Roly Many thanks Mcaplinger, this was very interesting ... Mar 19 2014, 02:22 AM
mcaplinger QUOTE (Roly @ Mar 18 2014, 07:22 PM) On t... Mar 19 2014, 03:32 AM
TheAnt QUOTE (mcaplinger @ Mar 19 2014, 04:32 AM... Mar 19 2014, 12:08 PM
JRehling Although it pains me to see Europa exploration fur... Mar 19 2014, 04:30 PM
vjkane QUOTE (JRehling @ Mar 19 2014, 09:30 AM) ... Mar 19 2014, 11:14 PM
TheAnt QUOTE (vjkane @ Mar 20 2014, 12:14 AM) ..... Mar 20 2014, 12:10 AM
stevesliva QUOTE (vjkane @ Mar 19 2014, 06:14 PM) Id... Mar 21 2014, 03:03 AM
JRehling It's not that we should plan a sample return, ... Mar 21 2014, 07:11 PM
Roly My thanks for your appraisal Mcaplinger, that make... Mar 19 2014, 04:56 AM
mcaplinger http://solarsystem.nasa.gov/europa/sdt2013.cfm has... Mar 21 2014, 07:48 PM
CryptoEngineer The Planetary Society is reporting today that a (n... Feb 3 2015, 04:49 AM
gpurcell Looks like a lander of some sort is still a possib... May 9 2015, 02:11 PM
dvandorn QUOTE (gpurcell @ May 9 2015, 09:11 AM) L... May 9 2015, 03:33 PM
Habukaz QUOTE (gpurcell @ May 9 2015, 04:11 PM) L... May 9 2015, 05:27 PM
DEChengst News Conference coming up later today on NASA TV. ... May 26 2015, 03:34 PM
Explorer1 Another stream starting here too: https://www.yout... May 26 2015, 05:51 PM
scalbers Interesting news conference overall on the instrum... May 26 2015, 06:52 PM
Mariner9 I just read the blog posting on the instrumenta ov... May 27 2015, 03:26 AM
dvandorn Well, think about it. If you're prospecting f... May 27 2015, 04:59 AM
JRehling Keep in mind that there are at least two different... May 27 2015, 11:15 PM
monitorlizard I'm surprised that there is no laser altimeter... May 27 2015, 05:09 AM
djellison QUOTE (monitorlizard @ May 26 2015, 09:09... May 27 2015, 02:58 PM
vjkane QUOTE (monitorlizard @ May 26 2015, 09:09... May 28 2015, 04:12 AM
nprev I would think that altimetry information would be ... May 27 2015, 05:25 AM
TheAnt @monitorlizard: A laser altimeter would be great o... May 28 2015, 10:24 AM
Habukaz The Europa mission has entered a new phase (and ha... Jun 17 2015, 10:18 PM
pioneer I'm not complaining, but I'm wondering wha... Jun 18 2015, 12:27 PM
MahFL QUOTE (pioneer @ Jun 18 2015, 12:27 PM) I... Jun 18 2015, 01:07 PM
Y Bar Ranch QUOTE (pioneer @ Jun 18 2015, 07:27 AM) I... Jun 18 2015, 02:44 PM
djellison QUOTE (pioneer @ Jun 18 2015, 05:27 AM) w... Jun 18 2015, 03:26 PM

tedstryk QUOTE (djellison @ Jun 18 2015, 03:26 PM)... Jun 18 2015, 11:51 PM
vjkane QUOTE (pioneer @ Jun 18 2015, 04:27 AM) I... Jun 19 2015, 12:29 AM
JRehling QUOTE (pioneer @ Jun 18 2015, 05:27 AM) w... Jun 21 2015, 09:58 PM
pioneer Thanks everyone for all your replies Jun 21 2015, 10:35 PM
Phil Stooke Pioneer - Galileo was useful for what it gave us, ... Jun 18 2015, 02:18 PM
Decepticon I was looking around for some information on Europ... Jun 21 2015, 05:54 PM
nprev Cassini doesn't have a scan platform; has not ... Jun 21 2015, 06:15 PM
Paolo QUOTE (nprev @ Jun 21 2015, 08:15 PM) Cas... Jun 21 2015, 07:24 PM
vjkane QUOTE (nprev @ Jun 21 2015, 11:15 AM) Cas... Jun 22 2015, 01:58 AM
tedstryk QUOTE (vjkane @ Jun 22 2015, 02:58 AM) Ac... Jun 22 2015, 11:34 AM
Decepticon QUOTE (nprev @ Jun 21 2015, 01:15 PM) Cas... Jun 21 2015, 07:31 PM
nprev It's true that Cassini's scan platform was... Jun 21 2015, 08:12 PM
Decepticon Found a High Res image. http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/im... Jun 22 2015, 03:15 AM
ngunn Great article on Europa from Mike Brown with a lan... Oct 27 2015, 07:36 PM
JRehling The Europa science and plans are exciting, as Euro... Oct 28 2015, 04:45 PM
vjkane QUOTE (JRehling @ Oct 28 2015, 08:45 AM) ... Nov 2 2015, 10:23 PM
JRehling QUOTE (vjkane @ Nov 2 2015, 03:23 PM) The... Nov 3 2015, 01:16 AM
vjkane QUOTE (JRehling @ Nov 2 2015, 05:16 PM) I... Nov 6 2015, 05:13 AM
Explorer1 ESA wants to jump in now too, with an unspecified ... Jan 7 2016, 12:02 AM
scalbers Without getting too political, it's interestin... Jan 7 2016, 06:18 PM
antipode This could be the moment where high speed penetrat... Jan 7 2016, 10:38 PM
nprev As I recall, penetrators have been proposed in the... Jan 8 2016, 01:59 AM
Explorer1 How plausible are solar panels for such a mission?... Jan 8 2016, 03:31 AM
katodomo Beginning-of-life efficiency on current production... Jan 8 2016, 01:36 PM
Explorer1 Thanks for the info; looks the weight constraints ... Jan 8 2016, 08:42 PM
katodomo There's a JPL analysis on that here:
http://ww... Jan 8 2016, 11:45 PM
Jaro_in_Montreal Lander rocket exhaust effects on Europa regolith n... Dec 27 2016, 03:29 PM
Steve5304 QUOTE (Jaro_in_Montreal @ Dec 27 2016, 04... Dec 28 2016, 09:17 PM
Explorer1 Science definition report completed (with lander c... Feb 9 2017, 07:49 AM
Habukaz QUOTE The SDT was tasked with developing a life-de... Feb 9 2017, 10:17 AM
bobik A brief description of the Joint Europa Mission (J... Feb 9 2017, 07:12 PM
Roby72 https://spaceflightnow.com/2017/03/16/trump...l-pa... Mar 16 2017, 11:50 PM
nprev ADMIN NOTE: As a reminder to esp. our newer member... Mar 17 2017, 01:35 AM
Explorer1 There's not much news here in terms of the lan... Mar 17 2017, 04:57 AM
JRehling QUOTE (Explorer1 @ Mar 16 2017, 09:57 PM)... Mar 18 2017, 04:06 PM
Decepticon Im confused is the Europa Clipper mission still ha... Mar 18 2017, 10:01 PM
JRehling Perhaps a source of confusion: There was a mission... Mar 19 2017, 10:40 PM
mcaplinger QUOTE (JRehling @ Mar 19 2017, 02:40 PM) ... Mar 20 2017, 12:11 AM
nprev Europa Clipper is on. The putative Europa Lander i... Mar 18 2017, 10:21 PM
mcaplinger QUOTE (nprev @ Mar 18 2017, 02:21 PM) Eur... Mar 19 2017, 12:23 AM
djellison Yeah...what's now called Clipper was known as ... Mar 20 2017, 05:14 AM![]() ![]() |
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