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3D shape, cartography, and geoid of Comet 67P C-G |
Aug 6 2014, 02:11 PM
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Explorer 1 said:
"A 2D map of C-G seems like a tough order; the projection math alone..." Don't worry! If you can put a grid on the surface (as we have seen already), you can warp that grid into any map projection you like. Mapping will be no huge problem - in fact I expect they have a rough one already (I've been playing with one myself). Phil -------------------- ... because the Solar System ain't gonna map itself.
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Sep 2 2014, 05:16 PM
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slighter lower energy to depart from the comet at the midpoint You made that statement before, but the opposite is in fact the case. The midpoint is the place on the comet's surface where gravitational potential is lowest, therefore material there requires more energy to escape than surface materials at other locations. Escape velocity depends only on the potential at a given point, not on the local value of the field strength. Saltating material (stuff that doesn't depart) would tend to migrate toward the neck, not away from it. The neck should act as a dust trap whilst the comet is far from the Sun and relatively inactive. Once activity starts, however, my guess is that the ejection processes easily overcome the comet's weak gravity - irrespective of position on the comet. There are all sorts of possible reasons why the neck might be an active location - different material, looser packing, differences in insolation (was it a cold trap for volatiles at some point?), release of gravitational energy due to mutual settling of the two lobes, etc. etc. |
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Sep 3 2014, 11:14 AM
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You made that statement before, but the opposite is in fact the case. The midpoint is the place on the comet's surface where gravitational potential is lowest... If you were to take two spherical objects and connect them with a stick (or have them orbit each other) then the low potential point would not be at the midpoint between them, I.e., at the center of mass of the two body system. There would be two low points, at the center of mass of each of the two spheres. The midpoint of the system is a saddle point, with a higher potential than either of the two centers. |
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Phil Stooke 3D shape, cartography, and geoid of Comet 67P C-G Aug 6 2014, 02:11 PM
acastillo It would appear that the neck is an "erosiona... Aug 6 2014, 02:44 PM
AndyG QUOTE (acastillo @ Aug 6 2014, 03:44 PM) ... Aug 6 2014, 03:47 PM
TheAnt QUOTE (acastillo @ Aug 6 2014, 04:44 PM) ... Aug 6 2014, 04:46 PM
mcgyver QUOTE (acastillo @ Aug 6 2014, 03:44 PM) ... Aug 8 2014, 07:47 PM
Phil Stooke Not a pain, it just means the cartographers have l... Aug 8 2014, 08:04 PM
Explorer1 Wouldn't the two lobes just gradually come bac... Aug 8 2014, 08:06 PM
Mercure I believe the centrifugal forces at the rotational... Aug 8 2014, 10:05 PM
Phil Stooke I think you're right, the lobes would collapse... Aug 8 2014, 10:00 PM
djellison Rotation rate is 12.7 hours. The circumference dr... Aug 8 2014, 10:17 PM
nprev The key variable between these scenarios is mass, ... Aug 8 2014, 10:20 PM
ngunn Every irregular object eroded from the outside mus... Aug 8 2014, 10:22 PM
nprev Could acquire more angular momentum from impacts o... Aug 8 2014, 10:28 PM
djellison If it were rotating fast enough to displace the tw... Aug 8 2014, 10:37 PM
SteveM I'm not convinced by the emerging consensus th... Aug 8 2014, 10:42 PM
djellison QUOTE (SteveM @ Aug 8 2014, 03:42 PM) I... Aug 8 2014, 11:10 PM
Y Bar Ranch QUOTE (SteveM @ Aug 8 2014, 05:42 PM) I... Aug 11 2014, 02:16 PM
djellison QUOTE (Y Bar Ranch @ Aug 11 2014, 07:16 A... Aug 11 2014, 02:47 PM

Y Bar Ranch QUOTE (djellison @ Aug 11 2014, 09:47 AM)... Aug 11 2014, 04:02 PM
ngunn QUOTE (Y Bar Ranch @ Aug 11 2014, 03:16 P... Aug 11 2014, 02:48 PM
Greenish I had been curious about the gravity field so was ... Aug 9 2014, 01:42 AM
machi According to my calculations gravity/centripetal r... Aug 9 2014, 01:53 AM
Adam Hurcewicz OK, here is visualization from Celestia. I made mo... Aug 10 2014, 05:16 PM
Gerald For 67P/C-G, and similarly asymmetric bodies, I... Aug 10 2014, 06:03 PM
fredk QUOTE (Gerald @ Aug 10 2014, 06:03 PM) Pr... Aug 10 2014, 06:38 PM
Harder thanks, Gerald, for your insights. I noticed you f... Aug 10 2014, 06:36 PM
Gerald QUOTE (Harder @ Aug 10 2014, 08:38 PM) ..... Aug 10 2014, 07:11 PM
Phil Stooke The up and down can be incorporated into topograph... Aug 10 2014, 09:43 PM
JohnVV the problem at this time is we do not have a mesh ... Aug 10 2014, 11:38 PM
Gerald If you take a binary of two spherical bodies, the ... Aug 11 2014, 03:37 PM
Y Bar Ranch QUOTE (Gerald @ Aug 11 2014, 10:37 AM) If... Aug 11 2014, 04:08 PM
Gerald QUOTE (Y Bar Ranch @ Aug 11 2014, 06:08 P... Aug 11 2014, 04:36 PM
ngunn QUOTE (Y Bar Ranch @ Aug 11 2014, 05:08 P... Aug 11 2014, 04:42 PM
Y Bar Ranch QUOTE (ngunn @ Aug 11 2014, 12:42 PM) I r... Aug 11 2014, 04:50 PM
Phil Stooke Ok... I have been taking some time out from what I... Aug 15 2014, 06:18 PM
MoreInput Thanks for the map, Phil.
What about the idea to ... Aug 16 2014, 08:46 PM
Explorer1 Very impressive! The axis must be tilted quite... Aug 15 2014, 07:13 PM
wildespace I have seen members here mention generating synthe... Aug 16 2014, 07:54 AM
ngunn That same idea occurred to me: map them separately... Aug 16 2014, 09:42 PM
JohnVV this gif animation ( pre orbit data )
http://sci... Aug 17 2014, 04:55 AM
mcgyver QUOTE (JohnVV @ Aug 17 2014, 04:55 AM) th... Aug 22 2014, 02:13 PM
Phil Stooke Re - mapping the lobes separately - it's an in... Aug 17 2014, 05:33 AM
JohnVV still working on this , just an early preview
... Aug 20 2014, 10:26 PM
Phil Stooke JohnVV wrote:
I was able to extract a pointcloud ... Aug 22 2014, 03:39 AM
JohnVV phil
there is a zip with a obj mesh in it here
ht... Aug 22 2014, 03:50 AM
Malmer I'm playing around making a highresolution 3D ... Aug 22 2014, 04:07 PM
JohnVV QUOTE (Malmer @ Aug 22 2014, 12:07 PM) I... Aug 23 2014, 01:35 AM

Malmer QUOTE (JohnVV @ Aug 23 2014, 03:35 AM) ni... Aug 23 2014, 06:42 AM
mcgyver QUOTE (Malmer @ Aug 22 2014, 04:07 PM) I... Aug 23 2014, 10:06 PM
Malmer QUOTE (mcgyver @ Aug 24 2014, 12:06 AM) S... Aug 23 2014, 10:42 PM
Toma B QUOTE (Malmer @ Aug 24 2014, 12:42 AM) I ... Aug 24 2014, 10:07 AM
JohnVV QUOTE Do you explain somewhere the method you used... Aug 22 2014, 05:50 PM
Phil Stooke Hi Malmer - cartographers have already discussed t... Aug 23 2014, 02:37 PM
Malmer For my own selfish purposes I will probably use so... Aug 23 2014, 05:36 PM
machi QUOTE (wildespace @ Aug 16 2014, 09:54 AM... Aug 25 2014, 10:42 AM
Gerald QUOTE (machi @ Aug 25 2014, 12:42 PM) ...... Aug 25 2014, 12:08 PM
JohnVV QUOTE t would be interesting to see a map of where... Sep 2 2014, 11:41 PM
Malmer QUOTE (JohnVV @ Sep 3 2014, 01:41 AM) dow... Sep 3 2014, 11:49 AM
charborob What I would like to see is an image of the comet ... Sep 3 2014, 12:42 AM
SteveM QUOTE (charborob @ Sep 2 2014, 07:42 PM) ... Sep 3 2014, 01:20 AM
JohnVV with "Down as the direction of the SouthPole ... Sep 3 2014, 01:08 AM
JohnVV QUOTE Is that your own shapemodel or is it somethi... Sep 3 2014, 05:14 PM
Malmer QUOTE (JohnVV @ Sep 3 2014, 07:14 PM) no ... Sep 3 2014, 08:54 PM
Y Bar Ranch I'd be interested in grabbing whatever you guy... Sep 3 2014, 09:09 PM
Malmer Will post as soon as it is resonably correct. Sep 3 2014, 09:48 PM
Phil Stooke I am very impressed by this, John! Looking fo... Sep 3 2014, 06:05 PM
JohnVV QUOTE I'd be interested in grabbing whatever y... Sep 3 2014, 09:50 PM
Malmer QUOTE (JohnVV @ Sep 3 2014, 11:50 PM) i j... Sep 3 2014, 10:32 PM
CAP-Team QUOTE (JohnVV @ Sep 3 2014, 11:50 PM) i j... Sep 4 2014, 06:50 PM

mcgyver QUOTE (CAP-Team @ Sep 4 2014, 06:50 ... Sep 4 2014, 07:08 PM

djellison QUOTE (mcgyver @ Sep 4 2014, 12:08 PM) Wh... Sep 4 2014, 09:09 PM
Malmer QUOTE (JohnVV @ Sep 3 2014, 11:50 PM) i j... Sep 4 2014, 11:05 PM
JohnVV 3ds to cmod is rather easy
now the plugin is for ... Sep 4 2014, 08:11 PM
Malmer QUOTE (JohnVV @ Sep 4 2014, 10:11 PM) 3ds... Sep 4 2014, 08:33 PM
Gerald Some qualitative sensitivity analysis of trajector... Sep 4 2014, 10:07 PM
fredk Nice. So did you chose the rotation axis to be pe... Sep 4 2014, 10:23 PM
Gerald Yes. Sep 4 2014, 10:30 PM
JohnVV Blender is not a "cad/cam" set-up
so th... Sep 5 2014, 06:47 PM
Malmer QUOTE (JohnVV @ Sep 5 2014, 08:47 PM) Ble... Sep 5 2014, 07:04 PM
JohnVV well the landing site is near 190 long and just a ... Sep 16 2014, 05:44 AM
JohnVV with the few images and the video
"Possible ... Sep 24 2014, 12:43 AM
Malmer QUOTE (JohnVV @ Sep 24 2014, 02:43 AM) wi... Sep 24 2014, 01:17 AM
JohnVV from the image
"Comet_on_16_August_c.jpg... Sep 24 2014, 02:25 AM![]() ![]() |
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