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Sep 23 2014, 12:16 PM
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Now, it's time to open a new section devoted to the landing of the Philae lander itself on the nucleus of Comet 67P C-G. Also to answer better the earlier post, http://www.unmannedspaceflight.com/index.p...st&p=212943 and for your information, here is the quick summary (as a "pdf" file) of the events that are expected to occur during landing on the nucleus and after : it's the timeschedule on which we are working to set up our EPO event in Paris.
Sequence_ATTERRISSAGE10_UMSF.pdf ( 263.81K )
Number of downloads: 4707The landing itself should occur around November 11th. We'll keep you informed |
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Oct 29 2014, 01:47 PM
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Questions from an interested non-expert:
I have read that Philae may still partly function if it lands in the wrong orientation (lying on its side, or similar). Is there the possibility that Philae may bounce off the surface, or even not contact the surface? In either of these scenarios, would Philae still be able to transmit back whatever data or images it has already taken? Is there a scenario other than spacecraft system failure where Philae would not be able to transmit data back (like landing upside down, perhaps)? Thanks. |
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Oct 29 2014, 04:09 PM
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In either of these scenarios, would Philae still be able to transmit back whatever data or images it has already taken? Is there a scenario other than spacecraft system failure where Philae would not be able to transmit data back (like landing upside down, perhaps)? NSSDC about Philae: QUOTE The lander will communicate with the Rosetta spacecraft via a 1 W S-band transmitter. S-band communication usually is rather tolerant in terms of pointing. Although I didn't find reliable information about whether the (two?) Philae S-band antennas (at least taken together) are omnidirectional. The other instruments may shield the radio waves in some directions. But if Philae doesn't vanish in some deep gap, I'm optimistic, that communication will be possible in some directions, at least, as long as the batteries are charged. Most descent data will be transmitted before touchdown; thus we'll get some infos of the descent phase, at least. |
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Oct 29 2014, 05:42 PM
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S-band communication usually is rather tolerant in terms of pointing. Whilst the lower frequencies are less fussy regarding pointing - the predominant factor in required pointing accuracy is antenna design - NOT frequency. The S-Band relay from Huygens to Cassini had a beamwidth of only 2.3-2.4 degrees because it used Cassini's HGA. http://descanso.jpl.nasa.gov/DPSummary/Des...3--Cassini2.pdf ( page 8 ) Whereas Deep Impact's probe-flyby relay used S-Band but patch-antennas that were in essence omnidirectional and managed 64kbps downlink at 8,000km range. |
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vikingmars Philae landing on the nucleus of Comet 67P C-G Sep 23 2014, 12:16 PM
SpaceScout Great information, thank you!!
ROLIS will ... Sep 23 2014, 02:14 PM
vikingmars QUOTE (SpaceScout @ Sep 23 2014, 04:14 PM... Sep 23 2014, 03:40 PM
Gerald QUOTE (vikingmars @ Sep 23 2014, 05:40 PM... Sep 24 2014, 08:42 PM
vikingmars QUOTE (Gerald @ Sep 24 2014, 10:42 PM) Fa... Sep 25 2014, 07:12 AM
Phil Stooke The idea of transmitting images during the descent... Sep 23 2014, 02:41 PM
Tom Tamlyn QUOTE (Phil Stooke @ Sep 23 2014, 10:41 A... Sep 24 2014, 03:21 AM
mcgyver QUOTE (Phil Stooke @ Sep 23 2014, 03:41 P... Oct 28 2014, 02:24 PM
djellison QUOTE (mcgyver @ Oct 28 2014, 06:24 AM) W... Oct 28 2014, 02:27 PM
mcgyver QUOTE (djellison @ Oct 28 2014, 03:27 PM)... Oct 28 2014, 02:44 PM
Phil Stooke I just realized that I forgot about Chang'E 3 ... Sep 23 2014, 04:44 PM
Explorer1 I think it was halfway; I recall the streamed imag... Sep 23 2014, 05:51 PM
SpaceScout QUOTE (Phil Stooke @ Sep 23 2014, 04:41 P... Sep 23 2014, 06:00 PM
MarsInMyLifetime QUOTE (SpaceScout @ Sep 23 2014, 12:00 PM... Sep 23 2014, 06:15 PM
djellison I don't believe they'll be taking a lot of... Sep 23 2014, 06:47 PM
vikingmars QUOTE (djellison @ Sep 23 2014, 08:47 PM)... Sep 23 2014, 08:29 PM
machi Original plan was (and it looks still is) to take ... Sep 23 2014, 10:04 PM
Hungry4info MSL did a whole descent movie. MER did a couple de... Sep 24 2014, 03:42 AM
Explorer1 And don't forget Huygens!
It's true t... Sep 24 2014, 03:47 AM
Hungry4info QUOTE (Explorer1 @ Sep 23 2014, 10:47 PM)... Sep 24 2014, 03:51 AM
MarsInMyLifetime QUOTE (Hungry4info @ Sep 23 2014, 10:51 P... Sep 24 2014, 04:11 AM
Explorer1 A big difference from Beagle 2 is that OSIRIS will... Sep 24 2014, 04:20 AM
SpaceScout QUOTE (Explorer1 @ Sep 24 2014, 06:20 AM)... Sep 24 2014, 03:37 PM
Phil Stooke One aspect of landing which I don't think has ... Sep 24 2014, 05:37 PM
vikingmars QUOTE (Phil Stooke @ Sep 24 2014, 07:37 P... Sep 24 2014, 06:12 PM
centsworth_II I'm wondering what percent of Phillae's de... Sep 24 2014, 06:51 PM
charborob Is there an animation somewhere that shows the com... Sep 24 2014, 07:49 PM
MahFL QUOTE (charborob @ Sep 24 2014, 07:49 PM)... Sep 25 2014, 12:08 AM
charborob That's exactly what I wanted to see. Thanks. U... Sep 25 2014, 03:11 AM
TheAnt Landing site J with C as backup if they spot anyth... Sep 26 2014, 01:09 AM
vikingmars A new set of 2 Rosetta NavCam images was released ... Sep 26 2014, 03:14 PM
Gerald The timing of the landing options has been pinned ... Sep 26 2014, 10:28 PM
MahFL QUOTE (Gerald @ Sep 26 2014, 11:28 PM) Th... Sep 26 2014, 11:10 PM
MarsInMyLifetime The latest NavCam composite shows that the left (m... Sep 27 2014, 01:54 AM
Phil Stooke That idea of jets forming where two or more broad ... Sep 27 2014, 03:12 AM
MarsInMyLifetime Thanks for the reminder, Phil. All very easy to vi... Sep 27 2014, 04:28 AM
Paolo Site J confirmed as the landing site: ESA confirms... Oct 15 2014, 01:19 PM
MahFL It's not exactly flat is it ?
Those cliffs hav... Oct 15 2014, 01:44 PM
centsworth_II On the left, the original ESA landing oval in whit... Oct 15 2014, 03:56 PM
fredk It's not clear these are landing error ellipse... Oct 15 2014, 06:15 PM
SpaceScout I have not seen this very high close up of the lan... Oct 16 2014, 07:42 AM
Phil Stooke http://blogs.esa.int/rosetta/2014/10/16/la...tes-f... Oct 16 2014, 11:32 AM
jhagen QUOTE (Phil Stooke @ Oct 16 2014, 04:32 A... Oct 17 2014, 07:15 AM
fredk Primary landing site in anaglyph stereo. There ar... Oct 16 2014, 02:49 PM
fredk And cross-eyed:
Oct 16 2014, 02:50 PM
fredk And a better-aligned crop of a scarp, showing prec... Oct 16 2014, 03:06 PM
climber I'm wondering how far we'll see once on th... Oct 16 2014, 03:25 PM
MahFL QUOTE (climber @ Oct 16 2014, 04:25 PM) I... Oct 17 2014, 11:15 AM
katodomo QUOTE (climber @ Oct 16 2014, 05:25 PM) h... Oct 17 2014, 05:28 PM
vikingmars
For those interested to attend this historic land... Oct 25 2014, 10:17 AM
polaris Bonjour Olivier !
Faut-il s'inscrire ?
Mê... Oct 25 2014, 12:48 PM
vikingmars QUOTE (polaris @ Oct 25 2014, 02:48 PM) B... Oct 25 2014, 11:10 PM
polaris Many thanks, Olivier !
I'll be there, rig... Oct 28 2014, 06:02 PM
dvandorn As Curiosity demonstrated, though, it is quite pos... Oct 28 2014, 03:22 PM
mcgyver QUOTE (dvandorn @ Oct 28 2014, 04:22 PM) ... Oct 28 2014, 04:05 PM
djellison QUOTE (mcgyver @ Oct 28 2014, 08:05 AM) (... Oct 28 2014, 04:36 PM
DDAVIS 'An HD video 90 seconds long that, to be hones... Oct 29 2014, 09:50 AM
Malmer I made a slopemap of site J using my terrain-model... Oct 29 2014, 12:44 AM
mcgyver QUOTE (Malmer @ Oct 29 2014, 01:44 AM) I ... Oct 29 2014, 10:15 AM

Malmer QUOTE (mcgyver @ Oct 29 2014, 11:15 AM) I... Oct 29 2014, 10:30 AM

mcgyver QUOTE (Malmer @ Oct 29 2014, 11:30 AM) Yo... Oct 29 2014, 01:12 PM
vikingmars QUOTE (Malmer @ Oct 29 2014, 01:44 AM) I ... Oct 29 2014, 10:31 AM

Malmer QUOTE (vikingmars @ Oct 29 2014, 11:31 AM... Oct 29 2014, 12:29 PM

vikingmars QUOTE (Malmer @ Oct 29 2014, 01:29 PM) Ha... Oct 29 2014, 01:04 PM
mcgyver QUOTE (Malmer @ Oct 29 2014, 01:44 AM) us... Oct 29 2014, 01:15 PM
fredk QUOTE (Malmer @ Oct 29 2014, 01:44 AM) (I... Oct 29 2014, 05:14 PM
Malmer And an anaglyph of J using the same terrainmodel.
... Oct 29 2014, 12:47 AM
SpaceScout QUOTE (Malmer @ Oct 29 2014, 01:44 AM) Cy... Oct 29 2014, 09:13 AM
Malmer Another surface feature map I made to try to under... Oct 29 2014, 10:13 AM
Gerald QUOTE (Malmer @ Oct 29 2014, 12:13 PM) I ... Oct 29 2014, 12:34 PM
vikingmars QUOTE (blake @ Oct 29 2014, 02:47 PM) Que... Oct 29 2014, 02:02 PM
Hungry4info Great new, close-up image of that smoothe area on ... Oct 29 2014, 06:00 PM
Explorer1 If tweets are any evidence, we might be getting se... Oct 29 2014, 06:35 PM
Malmer QUOTE (Gerald @ Oct 29 2014, 01:34 PM) Th... Oct 29 2014, 08:56 PM
fredk QUOTE (Malmer @ Oct 29 2014, 09:56 PM) I... Oct 30 2014, 02:05 AM
Malmer QUOTE (fredk @ Oct 30 2014, 03:05 AM) A b... Oct 30 2014, 09:49 AM
Y Bar Ranch QUOTE (fredk @ Oct 29 2014, 09:05 PM) A b... Nov 1 2014, 04:15 PM
ngunn Sinking under its own weight is unlikely as it wil... Oct 29 2014, 09:21 PM
djellison It's not surface 'weight' that's t... Oct 29 2014, 09:44 PM
Malmer QUOTE (djellison @ Oct 29 2014, 10:44 PM)... Oct 29 2014, 11:04 PM
PhilHorzempa I agree with Doug about the force of contact with ... Nov 1 2014, 04:57 PM
MahFL QUOTE (PhilHorzempa @ Nov 1 2014, 05:57 P... Nov 1 2014, 05:59 PM
Norm Hartnett Thank you for the wonderful image in http://www.un... Oct 30 2014, 04:10 AM
centsworth_II While awaiting more expert input, I would say the ... Oct 30 2014, 05:17 AM
centsworth_II Those "rocks" are probably not very dens... Nov 1 2014, 06:03 PM
MahFL QUOTE (centsworth_II @ Nov 1 2014, 07:03 ... Nov 1 2014, 06:20 PM
MahFL Rosetta has been successfully moved to to the corr... Nov 1 2014, 06:26 PM
centsworth_II I don't believe the lander will sink. Brillia... Nov 1 2014, 06:32 PM
PhilHorzempa Just want to add some more details on why I think ... Nov 1 2014, 07:55 PM
nprev I think it's extremely unlikely--not only is t... Nov 1 2014, 08:02 PM
Phil Stooke How are the boulders supported? Is every last one... Nov 1 2014, 09:59 PM
fredk QUOTE (Phil Stooke @ Nov 1 2014, 09:59 PM... Nov 3 2014, 04:19 PM
MahFL The landing site name is Agilkia
Agilkia Nov 4 2014, 02:47 PM
mcgyver I think this picture deserves its own post in ths ... Nov 3 2014, 08:49 AM
vikingmars QUOTE (mcgyver @ Nov 3 2014, 09:49 AM) I ... Nov 3 2014, 09:06 AM
elakdawalla I've started compiling a list of resources and... Nov 4 2014, 05:56 PM
sittingduck Has anyone yet considered images of Philae on the ... Nov 5 2014, 07:07 PM![]() ![]() |
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