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Basaltic Sediments, rethinking Mars - again?
ngunn
post Oct 24 2014, 09:18 AM
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This blockbuster article from Emily seems to justify a new discussion topic:
http://www.planetary.org/blogs/emily-lakda...le-of-gale.html

So many thoughts, so many questions, I don't know where to start. What about Gusev? Were those basalts actually sandstones too?
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post Dec 9 2014, 03:08 PM
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The largely basaltic composition of the rocks should imply only short exposure to liquid water.
If physical weathering occurred either in cold highlands on the crater rim or during arid periods, and has then been transported within rather short time via alluvial fans and rivers to the lake, where it has been buried fast enough to prevent water from acting on the rock for too long, this could allow for the preservation of basaltic sediments.
Since there probably hasn't been relevant plate tectonics on Mars, repeated exposure to surface water is less likely than on Earth.

Regarding hematite: Color of the rock and CheMin results show significantly higher hematite at Pahrump than at YB.
The good, and yet unswerded question is: If it's the same type of deposit (lacustrine in a shallow lake), how can the environment change between more and less oxidizing withing a geologically short period?
Maybe the answer can be found by questioning the assumptions, implicite in the question.
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post Dec 9 2014, 03:36 PM
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QUOTE (Gerald @ Dec 9 2014, 04:08 PM) *
The largely basaltic composition of the rocks should imply only short exposure to liquid water.
If physical weathering occurred either in cold highlands on the crater rim or during arid periods, and has then been transported within rather short time via alluvial fans and rivers to the lake, where it has been buried fast enough to prevent water from acting on the rock for too long, this could allow for the preservation of basaltic sediments.
Since there probably hasn't been relevant plate tectonics on Mars, repeated exposure to surface water is less likely than on Earth.

Regarding hematite: Color of the rock and CheMin results show significantly higher hematite at Pahrump than at YB.
The good, and yet unswerded question is: If it's the same type of deposit (lacustrine in a shallow lake), how can the environment change between more and less oxidizing withing a geologically short period?
Maybe the answer can be found by questioning the assumptions, implicite in the question.


Correct if i'm wrong but I believe that pahrump hill rocks are at a higher elevation than yellowknife bay?
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- ngunn   Basaltic Sediments   Oct 24 2014, 09:18 AM
- - jmknapp   From the conclusion: QUOTE With Curiosity's ...   Oct 24 2014, 09:48 AM
- - Gerald   Thus far, we've just seen a few data points, w...   Oct 24 2014, 11:51 AM
- - Julius   Whereas it is true that we require more time and m...   Oct 24 2014, 12:36 PM
- - elakdawalla   The basalts in Gusev are definitely basalts -- Spi...   Oct 24 2014, 03:16 PM
|- - SFJCody   What would sedimentary rocks deposited by liquid C...   Oct 24 2014, 03:27 PM
|- - craigmcg   QUOTE (SFJCody @ Oct 24 2014, 11:27 AM) W...   Oct 24 2014, 07:34 PM
|- - Don1   QUOTE (SFJCody @ Oct 24 2014, 08:27 AM) W...   Oct 24 2014, 08:13 PM
- - Gerald   My first association would be carbonates or HCO3 s...   Oct 24 2014, 03:34 PM
- - nprev   Here's my best guess at a brief history of Mar...   Oct 24 2014, 08:02 PM
|- - ngunn   QUOTE (nprev @ Oct 24 2014, 09:02 PM) Her...   Oct 24 2014, 09:17 PM
||- - Gerald   QUOTE (ngunn @ Oct 24 2014, 11:17 PM) We ...   Oct 24 2014, 11:41 PM
||- - Gerald   QUOTE (ngunn @ Oct 24 2014, 11:17 PM) Mar...   Oct 25 2014, 04:32 PM
||- - serpens   QUOTE (Gerald @ Oct 25 2014, 04:32 PM) 2....   Oct 25 2014, 08:57 PM
|- - dburt   QUOTE (nprev @ Oct 24 2014, 01:02 PM) Her...   Oct 24 2014, 10:42 PM
- - Don1   Virtually all the knowledge about how rocks weathe...   Oct 24 2014, 08:31 PM
- - nprev   Good questions, and I'll defer to someone with...   Oct 24 2014, 09:57 PM
- - djellison   For those who want to read tens of thousands of wo...   Oct 24 2014, 11:26 PM
|- - dburt   QUOTE (djellison @ Oct 24 2014, 04:26 PM)...   Oct 25 2014, 12:11 AM
- - serpens   In all this discussion we need to differentiate be...   Oct 25 2014, 10:16 AM
|- - SFJCody   Some exciting ideas so far! Sorry for the ridi...   Oct 25 2014, 10:27 AM
|- - dvandorn   QUOTE (serpens @ Oct 25 2014, 05:16 AM) ....   Oct 25 2014, 12:57 PM
||- - stevesliva   QUOTE (dvandorn @ Oct 25 2014, 08:57 AM) ...   Oct 29 2014, 04:19 AM
|- - dburt   QUOTE (serpens @ Oct 25 2014, 03:16 AM) I...   Oct 26 2014, 12:00 AM
|- - serpens   QUOTE (dburt @ Oct 26 2014, 12:00 AM) ......   Oct 26 2014, 10:29 PM
- - Julius   How long in terms of time scale are we talking her...   Oct 25 2014, 12:00 PM
- - serpens   Subduction zones have a way of terminating the oce...   Oct 25 2014, 01:30 PM
- - Gerald   Changing too many parameters at the same time make...   Oct 25 2014, 11:14 PM
- - jmknapp   In terms of fixed, time-honored ideas about Mars, ...   Oct 26 2014, 01:34 AM
- - MrNatural   Speaking of empirical evidence, how does MSL's...   Oct 26 2014, 02:43 AM
|- - Gerald   QUOTE (MrNatural @ Oct 26 2014, 04:43 AM)...   Oct 26 2014, 12:23 PM
|- - ngunn   QUOTE (Gerald @ Oct 26 2014, 01:23 PM) Bu...   Oct 26 2014, 10:21 PM
|- - Gerald   QUOTE (ngunn @ Oct 27 2014, 12:21 AM) Yes...   Oct 27 2014, 11:36 AM
- - Don1   I think the most likely scenario is not that Mars ...   Oct 26 2014, 06:08 AM
- - Julius   At what stratigraphic level are the yellow knife b...   Oct 27 2014, 03:05 PM
- - Gerald   Not sure, whether there is a final consensus. Refe...   Oct 27 2014, 03:37 PM
- - elakdawalla   There were several talks at GSA trying to address ...   Oct 27 2014, 03:41 PM
- - Julius   And pahrump hills would be part of the Murray form...   Oct 27 2014, 08:33 PM
- - Don1   It's been over a month since the Pahrump hills...   Oct 27 2014, 10:00 PM
|- - ngunn   QUOTE (Don1 @ Oct 27 2014, 10:00 PM) It...   Oct 27 2014, 10:49 PM
|- - Gerald   QUOTE (ngunn @ Oct 28 2014, 12:49 AM) Mor...   Oct 28 2014, 08:59 PM
- - elakdawalla   CheMin and SAM do not produce instant results, unl...   Oct 27 2014, 11:29 PM
- - serpens   In the absence of folding it would be anticipated ...   Oct 28 2014, 09:09 AM
- - MrNatural   I have to ask the obvious question here. What doe...   Oct 30 2014, 01:52 AM
- - Gerald   Cross-bedding is a strong hint towards either a fl...   Oct 30 2014, 06:02 PM
- - jmknapp   Were the fine layers necessarily formed in a wet e...   Oct 31 2014, 09:42 AM
- - Gerald   Fine layers without additional evidence aren't...   Oct 31 2014, 09:58 AM
- - serpens   Speaking from the comfortable confines of an armch...   Nov 2 2014, 02:19 AM
|- - Gerald   QUOTE (serpens @ Nov 2 2014, 04:19 AM) Ev...   Nov 2 2014, 11:39 AM
- - serpens   Thanks, I hadn't seen that release of Science....   Nov 2 2014, 04:08 PM
- - wildespace   And yet Curiosity finds evidence of plentiful wate...   Dec 9 2014, 08:06 AM
- - nprev   It may well have had rain at some time(s), but the...   Dec 9 2014, 08:51 AM
- - centsworth_II   Phoenix saw snow falling on current day Mars.   Dec 9 2014, 10:52 AM
- - Harder   My first action after reading these latest MSL res...   Dec 9 2014, 01:56 PM
- - Gerald   IIRC, in the telecon they said, that they don...   Dec 9 2014, 02:19 PM
- - Julius   I followed yesterday's press conference and th...   Dec 9 2014, 02:31 PM
- - Gerald   The largely basaltic composition of the rocks shou...   Dec 9 2014, 03:08 PM
|- - Julius   QUOTE (Gerald @ Dec 9 2014, 04:08 PM) The...   Dec 9 2014, 03:36 PM
- - Gerald   True. Same age is one of the implicite assumptions...   Dec 9 2014, 03:52 PM
- - serpens   Nice to see the illustrations showing a lake in Ga...   Dec 9 2014, 10:30 PM
- - djellison   QUOTE (serpens @ Dec 9 2014, 02:30 PM) Pe...   Dec 9 2014, 10:46 PM
- - Gerald   QUOTE (serpens @ Dec 9 2014, 11:30 PM) .....   Dec 10 2014, 10:39 AM


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