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Oct 24 2014, 09:18 AM
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This blockbuster article from Emily seems to justify a new discussion topic:
http://www.planetary.org/blogs/emily-lakda...le-of-gale.html So many thoughts, so many questions, I don't know where to start. What about Gusev? Were those basalts actually sandstones too? |
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Dec 9 2014, 10:30 PM
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Nice to see the illustrations showing a lake in Gale without Mount Sharp. Personally I feel that a dab of artistic licence to show a higher, less eroded crater rim and ejecta field would have provided a better feel for what it would have looked like. Establishing the time line for the various fluvial/lacustrine artifacts found by Curiosity will be a real challenge. The lower levels of Mount Sharp are a pretty strong indication that at some stage the original lake would have extended over the area of Curiosity's traverse, or alternatively, as the crater filled a bowl shape was retained, confining the lake to the centre of the crater over many millions of years. Mass wasting from an initially high and rugged rim would fit that scenario. The telecon central lake hypothesis for the creation of the lower levels of Mount Sharp, followed by excavation and deposition as proposed by Kite to form the Aeolian upper layers seems a pretty seamless fit although the lithification and evidence of significant water flow on the upper levels provides a good argument that this mountain building occurred when Mars was still experiencing wet cycles.
I am still not entirely comfortable with the early classification of Pahrump Hills as part of the basal layer of mount Sharp, implying it was formed in the original lake. The apparent friability and partly modified basaltic composition would argue against that. Given the position in relation to Mount Sharp a late stage onlap or downlap would seem more logical . The same logic would apply to the Murray Formation. |
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Dec 10 2014, 10:39 AM
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... Given the position in relation to Mount Sharp a late stage onlap or downlap would seem more logical. The same logic would apply to the Murray Formation. It should be possible to discriminate the two hypotheses by their predictions, how the inclination of cross-bedded or deltaic layers are oriented. They observed (as a key observation) roughly southward oriented inclinations, so it's reasonable to start with testing, whether this will hold during future observations. Mount Sharp downlap should incline layers away from Mt. Sharp, in general. Mt. Sharp downlap layers might have been ontop of the base layers, and eroded away (in a mostly aeolian way) by now. |
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ngunn Basaltic Sediments Oct 24 2014, 09:18 AM
jmknapp From the conclusion:
QUOTE With Curiosity's ... Oct 24 2014, 09:48 AM
Gerald Thus far, we've just seen a few data points, w... Oct 24 2014, 11:51 AM
Julius Whereas it is true that we require more time and m... Oct 24 2014, 12:36 PM
elakdawalla The basalts in Gusev are definitely basalts -- Spi... Oct 24 2014, 03:16 PM
SFJCody What would sedimentary rocks deposited by liquid C... Oct 24 2014, 03:27 PM
craigmcg QUOTE (SFJCody @ Oct 24 2014, 11:27 AM) W... Oct 24 2014, 07:34 PM
Don1 QUOTE (SFJCody @ Oct 24 2014, 08:27 AM) W... Oct 24 2014, 08:13 PM
Gerald My first association would be carbonates or HCO3 s... Oct 24 2014, 03:34 PM
nprev Here's my best guess at a brief history of Mar... Oct 24 2014, 08:02 PM
ngunn QUOTE (nprev @ Oct 24 2014, 09:02 PM) Her... Oct 24 2014, 09:17 PM

Gerald QUOTE (ngunn @ Oct 24 2014, 11:17 PM) We ... Oct 24 2014, 11:41 PM

Gerald QUOTE (ngunn @ Oct 24 2014, 11:17 PM) Mar... Oct 25 2014, 04:32 PM

serpens QUOTE (Gerald @ Oct 25 2014, 04:32 PM) 2.... Oct 25 2014, 08:57 PM
dburt QUOTE (nprev @ Oct 24 2014, 01:02 PM) Her... Oct 24 2014, 10:42 PM
Don1 Virtually all the knowledge about how rocks weathe... Oct 24 2014, 08:31 PM
nprev Good questions, and I'll defer to someone with... Oct 24 2014, 09:57 PM
djellison For those who want to read tens of thousands of wo... Oct 24 2014, 11:26 PM
dburt QUOTE (djellison @ Oct 24 2014, 04:26 PM)... Oct 25 2014, 12:11 AM
serpens In all this discussion we need to differentiate be... Oct 25 2014, 10:16 AM
SFJCody Some exciting ideas so far! Sorry for the ridi... Oct 25 2014, 10:27 AM
dvandorn QUOTE (serpens @ Oct 25 2014, 05:16 AM) .... Oct 25 2014, 12:57 PM

stevesliva QUOTE (dvandorn @ Oct 25 2014, 08:57 AM) ... Oct 29 2014, 04:19 AM
dburt QUOTE (serpens @ Oct 25 2014, 03:16 AM) I... Oct 26 2014, 12:00 AM
serpens QUOTE (dburt @ Oct 26 2014, 12:00 AM) ...... Oct 26 2014, 10:29 PM
Julius How long in terms of time scale are we talking her... Oct 25 2014, 12:00 PM
serpens Subduction zones have a way of terminating the oce... Oct 25 2014, 01:30 PM
Gerald Changing too many parameters at the same time make... Oct 25 2014, 11:14 PM
jmknapp In terms of fixed, time-honored ideas about Mars, ... Oct 26 2014, 01:34 AM
MrNatural Speaking of empirical evidence, how does MSL's... Oct 26 2014, 02:43 AM
Gerald QUOTE (MrNatural @ Oct 26 2014, 04:43 AM)... Oct 26 2014, 12:23 PM
ngunn QUOTE (Gerald @ Oct 26 2014, 01:23 PM) Bu... Oct 26 2014, 10:21 PM
Gerald QUOTE (ngunn @ Oct 27 2014, 12:21 AM) Yes... Oct 27 2014, 11:36 AM
Don1 I think the most likely scenario is not that Mars ... Oct 26 2014, 06:08 AM
Julius At what stratigraphic level are the yellow knife b... Oct 27 2014, 03:05 PM
Gerald Not sure, whether there is a final consensus.
Refe... Oct 27 2014, 03:37 PM
elakdawalla There were several talks at GSA trying to address ... Oct 27 2014, 03:41 PM
Julius And pahrump hills would be part of the Murray form... Oct 27 2014, 08:33 PM
Don1 It's been over a month since the Pahrump hills... Oct 27 2014, 10:00 PM
ngunn QUOTE (Don1 @ Oct 27 2014, 10:00 PM) It... Oct 27 2014, 10:49 PM
Gerald QUOTE (ngunn @ Oct 28 2014, 12:49 AM) Mor... Oct 28 2014, 08:59 PM
elakdawalla CheMin and SAM do not produce instant results, unl... Oct 27 2014, 11:29 PM
serpens In the absence of folding it would be anticipated ... Oct 28 2014, 09:09 AM
MrNatural I have to ask the obvious question here. What doe... Oct 30 2014, 01:52 AM
Gerald Cross-bedding is a strong hint towards either a fl... Oct 30 2014, 06:02 PM
jmknapp Were the fine layers necessarily formed in a wet e... Oct 31 2014, 09:42 AM
Gerald Fine layers without additional evidence aren't... Oct 31 2014, 09:58 AM
serpens Speaking from the comfortable confines of an armch... Nov 2 2014, 02:19 AM
Gerald QUOTE (serpens @ Nov 2 2014, 04:19 AM) Ev... Nov 2 2014, 11:39 AM
serpens Thanks, I hadn't seen that release of Science.... Nov 2 2014, 04:08 PM
wildespace And yet Curiosity finds evidence of plentiful wate... Dec 9 2014, 08:06 AM
nprev It may well have had rain at some time(s), but the... Dec 9 2014, 08:51 AM
centsworth_II Phoenix saw snow falling on current day Mars. Dec 9 2014, 10:52 AM
Harder My first action after reading these latest MSL res... Dec 9 2014, 01:56 PM
Gerald IIRC, in the telecon they said, that they don... Dec 9 2014, 02:19 PM
Julius I followed yesterday's press conference and th... Dec 9 2014, 02:31 PM
Gerald The largely basaltic composition of the rocks shou... Dec 9 2014, 03:08 PM
Julius QUOTE (Gerald @ Dec 9 2014, 04:08 PM) The... Dec 9 2014, 03:36 PM
Gerald True. Same age is one of the implicite assumptions... Dec 9 2014, 03:52 PM
djellison QUOTE (serpens @ Dec 9 2014, 02:30 PM) Pe... Dec 9 2014, 10:46 PM![]() ![]() |
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