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Jan 12 2015, 12:10 AM
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On Tuesday (two days from now, for visitors from the future), the first optical navigation image will be taken... hopefully we'll have it in our hands soon after that. So it's time for a new topic. Over the next few months we'll have progressively closer images and full orbit characterization sequences, no doubt including multispectral image sets.
A new world... This is a bit of reprocessing I have been doing with the Hubble images from a few years ago. Phil -------------------- ... because the Solar System ain't gonna map itself.
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Jan 20 2015, 04:43 AM
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These images, and especially the animation made from them, do give the impression of a cratered body. In much the same way that the early Mariner 10 images gave the impression of a cratered Mercury -- very suggestive, but not enough to say for sure.
Of course, we would most definitely expect Ceres to be cratered -- with no tidal "pumping" I can't conceive of a heat source (internal or external) that would result in ongoing re-surfacing, and every other airless body that lacks an internal heat source (i.e., pretty much all of them except Io, and to a lesser extent Europa and Enceladus) that we've looked at in our solar system has been heavily cratered. Even Enceladus has some heavily cratered terrain far away from its active plumes. It would be the scientific discovery of the decade were Ceres not heavily cratered. The one nice thing we can say is that we don't have very long to wait, in the overall scheme of things, to get a much better look at this dwarf planet. The Hubble suggestions of an almost Mars-colored world have had me intrigued for quite some time. Now we are very near to knowing, if not the whole truth of the matter, then at least enough data to raise questions we don't even know enough to start asking yet. -the other Doug -------------------- “The trouble ain't that there is too many fools, but that the lightning ain't distributed right.” -Mark Twain
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Jan 20 2015, 10:14 AM
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Of course, we would most definitely expect Ceres to be cratered -- with no tidal "pumping" I can't conceive of a heat source (internal or external) that would result in ongoing re-surfacing, and every other airless body that lacks an internal heat source (i.e., pretty much all of them except Io, and to a lesser extent Europa and Enceladus) that we've looked at in our solar system has been heavily cratered. Even Enceladus has some heavily cratered terrain far away from its active plumes. It would be the scientific discovery of the decade were Ceres not heavily cratered. Could not Ceres having formed "alone" compared to the icy satellites of the gas planets who formed right next to giants have an impact on, say, local distribution of radioactive isotopes (and heavier elements in general)? -------------------- |
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Jan 21 2015, 03:33 AM
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Could not Ceres having formed "alone" compared to the icy satellites of the gas planets who formed right next to giants have an impact on, say, local distribution of radioactive isotopes (and heavier elements in general)? AIUI, planet formation theory would have it that metals get less and less common in the original protoplanetary disk as you moved away from the Sun, reflected in the relative abundances of metals in the planets as you move outwards. I have also heard theories that Jupiter once orbited much closer to the Sun, approximately where the asteroid belt is now located, while Saturn was created approximately where Jupiter is now located. As we have seen happen in other solar systems, Jupiter began to migrate closer to the Sun and supposedly began to draw off materials that ought to have contributed to the overall mass of Mars (resulting in Mars ending up smaller and less massive than would otherwise have been expected), but that before Jupiter could move far enough in to begin to disrupt the formation of Earth or any of the other inner planets an orbital resonance with Saturn began pulling it back away from the Sun, in the process tossing Saturn much farther out and likely tossing Neptune out past Uranus. This all could have affected the formation of Ceres by disrupting its formation at a critical time, such that Ceres had a much larger amount of mass taken away from it by Jupiter. The square-dancing swing-arounds that reorganized the outer planets could also well have been responsible for tossing Ceres into its current, somewhat-skewed orbit -- meaning it could have been a planetesimal that had been forming closer to the Sun than its current location, and thus more enriched in metals than the moons of the outer planets. But it was far enough away from the Sun by the end of its creation that it accumulated a lot of snowballs near the end, accounting for its (potential) resemblance to the icy moons of Jupiter and Saturn. However, in terms of radioactive heating, most of the planetary formation theories I've read point at Aluminum-26 as the major heat producer in the cores of the inner planets during their early histories. AL-26, however, has a relatively short half-life after it is created in a supernova, so the heating would have contributed only to the initial melting of the rocky planets' cores. None of the other radioactive heat-producing elements that survive to modern times could be contained in great enough quantity in such a small body as Ceres to create a hot core that would have persisted to modern times. -the other Doug -------------------- “The trouble ain't that there is too many fools, but that the lightning ain't distributed right.” -Mark Twain
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Phil Stooke Dawn approaches Ceres Jan 12 2015, 12:10 AM
MizarKey I very excited to see this little world better. N... Jan 12 2015, 02:48 AM
vikingmars QUOTE (Phil Stooke @ Jan 12 2015, 01:10 A... Jan 12 2015, 08:22 AM
tedstryk Beautiful! I've fooled with this dataset ... Jan 12 2015, 12:35 PM
Phil Stooke This is a cylindrical map made from those images. ... Jan 12 2015, 05:59 PM
DrShank Very Nice!
can i post it on my blog later to... Jan 13 2015, 12:46 PM
4th rock from the sun Great map!
Besides the lighter patches I see ... Jan 13 2015, 12:57 PM
Phil Stooke Hi Paul - by all means post it. It's not as n... Jan 13 2015, 02:01 PM
DrShank I am most intrigued by the apparent 'bluing... Jan 13 2015, 04:37 PM
Phil Stooke In the single images, it's bluer near the limb... Jan 13 2015, 04:46 PM
DrShank true. but some of the images seem to show stronge... Jan 13 2015, 06:02 PM
PDP8E Dawn is supposed to take another Ceres image today... Jan 13 2015, 07:15 PM
Mithridates It's now the evening of the 13th. Is it safe t... Jan 14 2015, 03:40 AM
Decepticon The image that was taken Dec 1,2014 took 7 or 8 da... Jan 14 2015, 04:26 AM
Phil Stooke "Is it safe to say that the Dawn team is look... Jan 14 2015, 02:13 PM
Superstring Is every image during approach going to be delayed... Jan 14 2015, 10:55 PM
djellison QUOTE (Superstring @ Jan 14 2015, 02:55 P... Jan 14 2015, 11:33 PM
Explorer1 Pretty sure it was like that for Vesta too; thrust... Jan 14 2015, 10:57 PM
DrShank QUOTE (Explorer1 @ Jan 14 2015, 04:57 PM)... Jan 15 2015, 12:26 AM
TheAnt QUOTE (DrShank @ Jan 15 2015, 01:26 AM) O... Jan 15 2015, 12:07 PM
DrShank QUOTE (TheAnt @ Jan 15 2015, 06:07 AM) Cl... Jan 15 2015, 12:13 PM
TheAnt QUOTE (DrShank @ Jan 15 2015, 01:13 PM) y... Jan 15 2015, 03:53 PM
DrShank QUOTE (TheAnt @ Jan 15 2015, 09:53 AM) Oh... Jan 15 2015, 11:57 PM
TheAnt QUOTE (DrShank @ Jan 16 2015, 12:57 AM) .... Jan 16 2015, 10:53 PM
DrShank QUOTE (TheAnt @ Jan 16 2015, 04:53 PM) ... Jan 16 2015, 11:46 PM
Superstring Ah, I guess my memory from the Vesta encounter is ... Jan 14 2015, 11:42 PM
Mithridates During Vesta approach Dawn did the following:
htt... Jan 14 2015, 11:52 PM
elakdawalla Because of the severe limitations imposed on the m... Jan 15 2015, 12:24 AM
Mithridates QUOTE (elakdawalla @ Jan 15 2015, 12:24 A... Jan 15 2015, 12:57 AM
djellison QUOTE (Mithridates @ Jan 14 2015, 04:57 P... Jan 15 2015, 01:07 AM
Explorer1 Wonder no more: I have a strange sense that an ima... Jan 15 2015, 01:25 AM
Mithridates Nice! I was looking at that Twitter feed earli... Jan 15 2015, 01:30 AM
DrShank QUOTE (Mithridates @ Jan 14 2015, 07:30 P... Jan 15 2015, 03:46 AM
elakdawalla Moved a bunch of pronunciation posts to the Junk D... Jan 15 2015, 03:57 PM
nprev Paul, you may know this right off the bat: Where d... Jan 16 2015, 11:53 PM
Tom Tamlyn QUOTE (nprev @ Jan 16 2015, 06:53 PM) * *... Jan 22 2015, 07:13 AM
Phil Stooke http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/news/news.php?feature=4449... Jan 19 2015, 04:35 PM
nprev Oh, boy; here we go!!!
Looks like th... Jan 19 2015, 04:51 PM
Explorer1 Yeah, that spot seems like a crater; I can almost ... Jan 19 2015, 04:57 PM
Habukaz My layman-self is a bit confused.
This picture h... Jan 19 2015, 05:56 PM
Hungry4info Comparing the new Dawn images to an HST image, I t... Jan 19 2015, 06:19 PM
Phil Stooke replying to Habukaz - At this resolution you can... Jan 19 2015, 06:20 PM
Habukaz QUOTE (Phil Stooke @ Jan 19 2015, 07:20 P... Jan 19 2015, 06:44 PM
Holder of the Two Leashes But I think the operative word there is "hint... Jan 19 2015, 06:56 PM
Habukaz QUOTE (Holder of the Two Leashes @ Jan 19 201... Jan 19 2015, 07:09 PM
elakdawalla Chitchatting with other people here at the New Hor... Jan 19 2015, 07:10 PM
MarkG Spectacular pictures! Wild cheering from the ... Jan 19 2015, 07:52 PM
Bjorn Jonsson It's interesting that even though the resoluti... Jan 20 2015, 12:32 AM
elakdawalla Bjorn, what you said is pretty much what the New H... Jan 20 2015, 02:54 AM
TheAnt QUOTE (dvandorn @ Jan 20 2015, 05:43 AM) ... Jan 20 2015, 05:08 PM
alex_k An attempt to process raw image, x8, details are e... Jan 20 2015, 06:40 AM
Fran Ontanaya Very crude attempt at overlaying HST and Dawn
Jan 20 2015, 08:55 AM
Phil Stooke There was so much mixing going on that the differe... Jan 20 2015, 03:46 PM
elakdawalla I assumed that the flickering of the animation was... Jan 20 2015, 05:24 PM
Astroboy Can we call the faint smudge the Little White Spot... Jan 20 2015, 05:33 PM
Phil Stooke I edited my map comparison, just above, to correct... Jan 20 2015, 10:01 PM
Gladstoner So far it reminds me of Umbriel. Jan 20 2015, 10:50 PM
Astro0 Can't wait for the next image to come in
W... Jan 21 2015, 04:29 AM
vikingmars QUOTE (Astro0 @ Jan 21 2015, 05:29 AM) .... Jan 22 2015, 12:57 PM
Habukaz QUOTE (vikingmars @ Jan 22 2015, 01:57 PM... Jan 22 2015, 02:21 PM
climber QUOTE (vikingmars @ Jan 22 2015, 01:57 PM... Jan 22 2015, 02:33 PM
vikingmars QUOTE (climber @ Jan 22 2015, 03:33 PM) .... Jan 22 2015, 04:26 PM
Explorer1 Well, here's one idea:
http://xkcd.com/1476/ Jan 21 2015, 05:50 AM
Habukaz Those replies about Ceres' formation is someth... Jan 21 2015, 12:42 PM
DrShank hey ho!
was busy at a New Horizons meeting all... Jan 21 2015, 04:21 PM
Sherbert The comparisons with Pluto and Charon will be inte... Jan 21 2015, 07:38 PM
Explorer1 I believe that what they mean by 'so fast... Jan 22 2015, 08:24 AM
Tom Tamlyn QUOTE (Explorer1 @ Jan 22 2015, 03:24 AM)... Jan 22 2015, 10:38 AM
belleraphon1 This ESA press release on HERSCHEL discovery of Ce... Jan 22 2015, 01:04 PM
Phil Stooke
My longitudes look like they are a bit off. I... Jan 22 2015, 01:48 PM
belleraphon1 Thanks Phil...
If Region A contains the bright s... Jan 22 2015, 02:20 PM
hendric Just for my own curiosity, I looked at if Dawn cou... Jan 22 2015, 04:45 PM
djellison Each of Dawn's 12 RCS thrusters are I believe ... Jan 22 2015, 06:17 PM
DrShank thats right. no soft landing. no way to slow dow... Jan 23 2015, 02:29 PM
algorimancer Wasn't there discussion of Dawn possibly going... Jan 23 2015, 02:45 PM
K-P QUOTE (algorimancer @ Jan 23 2015, 04:45 ... Jan 23 2015, 04:01 PM
Phil Stooke I don't know if that was discussed as a vague ... Jan 23 2015, 02:55 PM
DrShank QUOTE (Phil Stooke @ Jan 23 2015, 08:55 A... Jan 23 2015, 03:12 PM
TheAnt QUOTE (DrShank @ Jan 23 2015, 04:12 PM) a... Jan 23 2015, 04:16 PM
Habukaz QUOTE (TheAnt @ Jan 23 2015, 05:16 PM) So... Jan 23 2015, 04:28 PM
TheAnt QUOTE (Habukaz @ Jan 23 2015, 05:28 PM) I... Jan 23 2015, 05:42 PM
algorimancer It sounds pretty settled. Leaving Dawn in a stabl... Jan 23 2015, 08:33 PM
Mithridates QUOTE (algorimancer @ Jan 23 2015, 08:33 ... Jan 24 2015, 06:11 AM
DrShank QUOTE (Mithridates @ Jan 24 2015, 12:11 A... Jan 24 2015, 01:42 PM
MarsInMyLifetime If only for a spare hole in the filter wheel that ... Jan 24 2015, 08:05 PM
DrShank GRAND basically observes the whole planet at one t... Jan 23 2015, 08:54 PM
elakdawalla Continuing operations as long as possible in the l... Jan 23 2015, 09:29 PM
fredk When you view an animated gif of the released set ... Jan 24 2015, 04:42 PM
Bjorn Jonsson QUOTE (fredk @ Jan 24 2015, 04:42 PM) ...... Jan 25 2015, 01:34 PM
dvandorn Great work, Bjorn!
It seems obvious that the ... Jan 25 2015, 04:50 PM
fredk Very cool to see this, Bjorn. As important as any... Jan 25 2015, 05:33 PM
Bjorn Jonsson Looking at the movie and other versions of the ima... Jan 25 2015, 05:40 PM
Sherbert Very nicely done Bjorn.
I think there could be t... Jan 25 2015, 09:59 PM
machi QUOTE (Bjorn Jonsson @ Jan 25 2015, 02:34... Jan 25 2015, 11:45 PM
DrShank All very interesting speculations. I've wonde... Jan 26 2015, 12:17 AM
Habukaz The first new Ceres images are coming down, and th... Jan 26 2015, 04:40 PM![]() ![]() |
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