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Oct 15 2015, 04:45 PM
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Kepler found one very, very strange case:
http://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive...-galaxy/410023/ In a nutshell, while Kepler was observing it, the star (larger and brighter than the Sun) exhibited four dimming events that took place at irregular intervals, blocked a lot more light than a Jupiter-sized planet would block, and had a "shape" that varied in all four cases and did not resemble a planet. This case is attracting some wild speculation… in fact, it is seemingly certain that something wild must be going on; it's just a matter of which wild scenario is the correct one. If I had to throw my hat in the ring, I'd guess that a distant collision and breakup has placed big swarms of matter into a very long-period orbit. But there's no hypothesis that's been offered that doesn't seem problematic. |
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Jan 30 2016, 01:38 AM
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A perfectly aligned stream of cometary bodies (or at least bodies of similar size), that was gravitationally liberated from some star system by a passing star or other massive body, could appear dark from Earth if there is no nearby star to light it up, and could be narrow enough that it would not occult other stars in the nearby starfield. It's the latter constraint, the lack of any abnormal dimming in the nearby starfield, that constrains the option of interstellar occulters more than anything else, but a one-in-a-billion configuration might result in such a stream of small bodies that would only occult the one star. Variations in its density along the stream could result in the odd ups and downs we are seeing -- the stream might be passing between us for some time, but only the densest stretches of it are detectable.
It's just not a very likely explanation, I fear. -------------------- “The trouble ain't that there is too many fools, but that the lightning ain't distributed right.” -Mark Twain
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JRehling KIC 8462852 Observations Oct 15 2015, 04:45 PM
ZLD Yeah, I will be patiently waiting and excited if t... Oct 15 2015, 08:42 PM
scalbers Could this be like some of the dense clouds that e... Oct 15 2015, 10:08 PM
ngunn Kepler is designed to look for transits - but how ... Oct 15 2015, 10:09 PM
JRehling The research paper says that the properties of the... Oct 15 2015, 10:29 PM
ZLD I think the biggest peculiarity that rules out a l... Oct 16 2015, 12:26 AM
JRehling QUOTE (ZLD @ Oct 15 2015, 05:26 PM) I thi... Oct 16 2015, 04:27 AM
nprev What spectral class is this star? Higher rotation ... Oct 16 2015, 04:44 AM
JRehling QUOTE (nprev @ Oct 15 2015, 09:44 PM) Wha... Oct 16 2015, 04:10 PM
ZLD @JReling: Thanks for the correction. I skimmed it ... Oct 16 2015, 05:28 AM
silylene We need to account for a few facts here (see the ... Oct 16 2015, 02:43 PM
JRehling QUOTE (silylene @ Oct 16 2015, 07:43 AM) ... Oct 16 2015, 04:27 PM
HSchirmer QUOTE (JRehling @ Oct 16 2015, 05:27 PM) ... Oct 17 2015, 12:41 PM
silylene QUOTE (JRehling @ Oct 16 2015, 05:27 PM) ... Oct 21 2015, 03:33 PM
JRehling The biggest problem with the rings hypothesis is t... Oct 21 2015, 04:04 PM
HSchirmer QUOTE (silylene @ Oct 21 2015, 03:33 PM) ... Oct 21 2015, 04:31 PM
HSchirmer QUOTE (silylene @ Oct 21 2015, 03:33 PM) ... Jan 27 2016, 02:20 AM
Gerald QUOTE (HSchirmer @ Jan 27 2016, 03:20 AM)... Jan 27 2016, 11:11 AM

HSchirmer QUOTE (Gerald @ Jan 27 2016, 12:11 PM) De... Jan 27 2016, 02:16 PM
JRehling QUOTE (HSchirmer @ Jan 26 2016, 07:20 PM)... Jan 27 2016, 06:26 PM
scalbers Here's a web page that helps explain Epsilon A... Oct 17 2015, 01:17 PM
ngunn Accepting the idea of eclipsing objects of some ki... Oct 17 2015, 08:54 PM
HSchirmer QUOTE (ngunn @ Oct 17 2015, 08:54 PM) Acc... Oct 18 2015, 12:07 PM
JRehling Interesting thoughts, nprev and HSchirmer. The fir... Oct 19 2015, 08:12 PM
ngunn QUOTE (JRehling @ Oct 19 2015, 09:12 PM) ... Oct 19 2015, 09:19 PM
HSchirmer QUOTE (JRehling @ Oct 19 2015, 09:12 PM) ... Oct 19 2015, 09:26 PM
JRehling Comet Hale-Bopp's tail had a maximum length of... Oct 20 2015, 02:09 AM
JRehling Another thought: A comet seen transiting its star ... Oct 20 2015, 05:46 PM
HSchirmer QUOTE (JRehling @ Oct 20 2015, 06:46 PM) ... Oct 20 2015, 06:50 PM
Hungry4info Look at the light curve. A dark sphere transiting ... Oct 20 2015, 12:48 AM
Rittmann I was wondering...
How much obscuring could happe... Oct 20 2015, 08:49 PM
ngunn I'm still not buying the comets idea, sorry. Oct 20 2015, 09:54 PM
Explorer1 But as long as the parent planet's spin axis i... Oct 21 2015, 04:13 PM
Mongo QUOTE (Explorer1 @ Oct 21 2015, 04:13 PM)... Oct 21 2015, 04:35 PM
HSchirmer QUOTE (Mongo @ Oct 21 2015, 04:35 PM) But... Oct 21 2015, 05:30 PM
Explorer1 And now a star getting 40% of its light blocked: h... Oct 21 2015, 05:43 PM
silylene My concept is that the rings are not edge-on to ea... Oct 21 2015, 06:57 PM
JRehling QUOTE (silylene @ Oct 21 2015, 11:57 AM) ... Oct 22 2015, 12:40 AM
HSchirmer QUOTE (JRehling @ Oct 22 2015, 12:40 AM) ... Oct 23 2015, 12:33 PM
alan The asymmetry of one of the transits reminds me of... Oct 21 2015, 07:33 PM
AndyG Huge, dense and opaque ring systems that are tilte... Oct 22 2015, 08:37 AM
JRehling QUOTE (AndyG @ Oct 22 2015, 01:37 AM) Hug... Oct 22 2015, 08:54 AM
Hungry4info The relevant question is angular resolution, but t... Oct 23 2015, 01:10 PM
Explorer1 I was browsing the extreme exoplanets list on Wiki... Oct 31 2015, 02:17 AM
Hungry4info No, it isn't right at all. The original paper ... Oct 31 2015, 04:27 AM
Explorer1 Yes, just as I suspected. I did a quick search t t... Oct 31 2015, 06:52 AM
JRehling There are probably some planets made largely/entir... Nov 2 2015, 05:01 PM
HSchirmer QUOTE (JRehling @ Nov 2 2015, 05:01 PM) .... Nov 3 2015, 03:44 AM
JRehling QUOTE (HSchirmer @ Nov 2 2015, 08:44 PM) ... Nov 3 2015, 04:20 PM
HSchirmer QUOTE (JRehling @ Nov 3 2015, 04:20 PM) T... Nov 3 2015, 04:59 PM
JRehling QUOTE (HSchirmer @ Nov 3 2015, 09:59 AM) ... Nov 3 2015, 07:19 PM
Hungry4info Besides, we know of numerous pulsar+WD binaries. Nov 3 2015, 07:48 PM
nprev JRehling is correct. Please stay on topic. Nov 4 2015, 02:24 AM
ZLD JPL posted a short article yesterday further sugge... Nov 25 2015, 05:36 PM
Mongo Paper is up on ARXIV now:
KIC 8462852 - The Infra... Nov 26 2015, 01:49 AM
Mongo KIC 8462852 Faded at an Average Rate of 0.165+-0.0... Jan 14 2016, 02:22 AM
JRehling I wonder if the reality is that the dimming occurr... Jan 14 2016, 10:09 PM
nprev Interesting. First thing this makes me think of is... Jan 14 2016, 02:33 AM
Mongo QUOTE (nprev @ Jan 14 2016, 02:33 AM) Int... Jan 14 2016, 02:54 AM
nprev Hmm. Curiouser indeed. Almost seems like it has to... Jan 14 2016, 03:00 AM
ZLD Clearly just Starkiller Base finishing checkout te... Jan 14 2016, 03:07 PM
Gerald Black holes (besides hypothesized primordial ones)... Jan 14 2016, 04:16 PM
Mongo I noticed this statement from the Bradley E. Schae... Jan 16 2016, 06:04 PM
Mongo Okay, I've decided to download the full archiv... Jan 16 2016, 06:39 PM
JRehling The use of archival data to study the brightness v... Jan 25 2016, 05:50 PM
HSchirmer QUOTE (JRehling @ Jan 25 2016, 05:50 PM) ... Jan 25 2016, 08:26 PM
JRehling QUOTE (HSchirmer @ Jan 25 2016, 01:26 PM)... Jan 25 2016, 11:27 PM
dudley QUOTE (JRehling @ Jan 26 2016, 12:27 AM) ... Jan 26 2016, 01:47 AM
JRehling QUOTE (dudley @ Jan 25 2016, 06:47 PM) So... Jan 26 2016, 08:47 AM
Mongo Attached is a diagram I made using 2-year bins. I ... Jan 21 2016, 04:34 PM
dudley KIC 8462852 is reportedly being watched for anothe... Jan 23 2016, 05:29 PM
HSchirmer QUOTE (dudley @ Jan 23 2016, 06:29 PM) KI... Jan 25 2016, 03:53 PM
nprev In order to keep the Kepler topic open for other o... Jan 25 2016, 11:02 AM
dudley If I recall correctly, the Kepler Space telescope ... Jan 25 2016, 10:04 PM
JRehling Kepler found no planets around this star, but that... Jan 25 2016, 11:29 PM
HSchirmer QUOTE (dudley @ Jan 25 2016, 10:04 PM) If... Jan 26 2016, 12:52 AM
JRehling QUOTE (HSchirmer @ Jan 25 2016, 05:52 PM)... Jan 26 2016, 09:20 AM
HSchirmer QUOTE (JRehling @ Jan 26 2016, 10:20 AM) ... Jan 26 2016, 02:56 PM
dudley I wonder if trillions of comets, especially after ... Jan 26 2016, 11:25 PM
HSchirmer QUOTE (dudley @ Jan 26 2016, 11:25 PM) I ... Jan 27 2016, 12:21 AM
JRehling During the Kepler era, KIC 8462852's brightnes... Jan 27 2016, 12:22 AM
stevesliva QUOTE (JRehling @ Jan 26 2016, 08:22 PM) ... Jan 27 2016, 05:38 AM
Gerald QUOTE (stevesliva @ Jan 27 2016, 06:38 AM... Jan 27 2016, 11:21 AM
dudley I'm aware of two suggestions for how something... Jan 27 2016, 04:32 PM
stevesliva I have been thinking a lot about the geometry and ... Jan 27 2016, 08:47 PM
JRehling stevesliva, I like your idea, although I don't... Jan 28 2016, 08:08 PM
Hungry4info Occam strikes again. Looks like the long-term dimm... Jan 28 2016, 01:27 AM
Explorer1 So the modern dimming is just comets after all? Jan 28 2016, 07:32 AM
silylene I still think my earlier proposal (prior thread po... Jan 28 2016, 02:44 PM
dudley I'd like to see and consider Dr. Schaefer... Jan 28 2016, 05:31 PM
Hungry4info Response from Schaefer. Rather direct...
http://ww... Jan 28 2016, 10:11 PM
JRehling It seems like Schaefer has a definitively better g... Jan 29 2016, 12:24 AM
Gerald Since intrinsic causes are considered unikely, as ... Jan 29 2016, 09:11 AM
JRehling A Reddit chat about this phenomenon raised, and su... Jan 29 2016, 07:37 PM
JRehling I've found a statement of the problem with an ... Jan 29 2016, 09:39 PM
JRehling A problem with comets that are dark and far from a... Jan 30 2016, 03:55 AM
Gerald It cannot be anything likely, since otherwise we w... Jan 30 2016, 03:17 AM
Gerald The "it cannot be a young star due to the dis... Jan 30 2016, 11:02 AM
dudley The luminosity class of KIC 8462852 seems to be co... Jan 30 2016, 05:21 PM![]() ![]() |
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