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dilo
post Apr 1 2005, 09:19 PM
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This mosaic of 4 Panoramic frames from Sol442 show a strong increase in density of rocks, even big ones! Don't know if could be an issue for further movements toward the hill top?


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post Apr 4 2005, 06:40 AM
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"About EVA activity, it seems to me foolish to send humans onto Mars' surface and then use robots... Using this philosophy, in order to reduce risk, it's even better to remote-control a robot from Mars orbit!"

I agree enthusiastically with Dilo. In fact, that possibility has been repeatedly discussed, and it too was mentioned by some of the members of the Roadmap Committee. According to an Op-Ed that Donald Robertson wrote in "Space News" several years ago, it's the position toward which a rapidly growing segment of the planetary science community is also leaning. If the US insists on actually landing humans on Mars just for PR purposes even though that act will run a serious risk of biocontaminating the planet, it's likely to run into very serious opposition from the science community.

I think of this as the "Martian Catch-22": the only scientific discovery which could justify something as expensive as a manned expedition to Mars is the discovery of evidence of present or past life, but manned landings will disastrously contaminate the very thing they were sent there to study!
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post Apr 4 2005, 07:36 AM
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QUOTE (BruceMoomaw @ Apr 4 2005, 06:40 AM)
"About EVA activity, it seems to me foolish to send humans onto Mars' surface and then use robots... Using this philosophy, in order to reduce risk, it's even better to remote-control a robot from Mars orbit!"

I agree enthusiastically with Dilo.  In fact, that possibility has been repeatedly discussed, and it too was mentioned by some of the members of the Roadmap Committee.  According to an Op-Ed that Donald Robertson wrote in "Space News" several years ago, it's the position toward which a rapidly growing segment of the planetary science community is also leaning.  If the US insists on actually landing humans on Mars just for PR purposes even though that act will run a serious risk of biocontaminating the planet, it's likely to run into very serious opposition from the science community. 

I think of this as the "Martian Catch-22": the only scientific discovery which could justify something as expensive as a manned expedition to Mars is the discovery of evidence of present or past life, but manned landings will disastrously contaminate the very thing they were sent there to study!
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So why not set aside 99% of Mars for robotic-only exploration but build a few bases in one small section of Mars? Surely a base or two won't contaminate an entire planet? Especially if they are very careful not to contaminate.

An aside, I HATE the word "contaminate" when refering to bring life to other worlds.
I can see the point when there is a question if there is life somewhere or not and the need to study some alien microbes without any earth bugs getting in the mix etc etc, but I think it is ultimately humanity's responsiblility and calling to spread life throughout the Solar System and Galaxy. Not just microbes but advanced life.
What greater purpose could our existence serve?
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- dilo   Lot Of Rocks   Apr 1 2005, 09:19 PM
- - Sunspot   QUOTE (dilo @ Apr 1 2005, 10:19 PM)This mosai...   Apr 1 2005, 10:18 PM
- - Tman   I have also some reservations. This spiky high roc...   Apr 2 2005, 08:20 AM
|- - ElkGroveDan   QUOTE (Tman @ Apr 2 2005, 08:20 AM)I have als...   Apr 2 2005, 04:15 PM
|- - djellison   QUOTE (ElkGroveDan @ Apr 2 2005, 04:15 PM)can...   Apr 2 2005, 05:16 PM
- - Jeff7   And remember too, the rover was designed to be abl...   Apr 2 2005, 05:35 PM
- - Buck Galaxy   All these sharp rocks will make designing a safe M...   Apr 3 2005, 06:28 AM
|- - ElkGroveDan   QUOTE (Buck Galaxy @ Apr 3 2005, 06:28 AM)All...   Apr 3 2005, 03:17 PM
- - BruceMoomaw   EVA suits present a severe problem for manned Mars...   Apr 3 2005, 12:39 PM
|- - Buck Galaxy   "...with suited-up EVAs limited to the absolu...   Apr 4 2005, 02:22 AM
- - dilo   Now it seems to me that Spirit is avoiding the den...   Apr 3 2005, 05:11 PM
- - Sunspot   Which sol are those images of Spirit's tracks ...   Apr 3 2005, 06:37 PM
|- - dilo   QUOTE (Sunspot @ Apr 3 2005, 06:37 PM)Which s...   Apr 4 2005, 04:27 AM
- - BruceMoomaw   "About EVA activity, it seems to me foolish t...   Apr 4 2005, 06:40 AM
|- - Buck Galaxy   QUOTE (BruceMoomaw @ Apr 4 2005, 06:40 AM)...   Apr 4 2005, 07:36 AM
|- - Tman   QUOTE (Buck Galaxy @ Apr 4 2005, 07:36 AM)So ...   Apr 4 2005, 08:38 AM
|- - paxdan   QUOTE (Buck Galaxy @ Apr 4 2005, 08:36 AM)Sur...   Apr 4 2005, 10:28 AM
|- - tedstryk   Well, yes, but if we did it now, there is a chan...   Apr 8 2005, 02:23 PM
- - djellison   QUOTE Surely a base or two won't contaminate a...   Apr 4 2005, 07:42 AM
- - BruceMoomaw   Buck Galaxy, April 4: "So why not set aside ...   Apr 6 2005, 12:56 PM
- - BruceMoomaw   Paxdan: "...If there is life on Mars, searchi...   Apr 6 2005, 01:03 PM
- - Chmee   I think not allowing human EVA's is a bit para...   Apr 6 2005, 05:15 PM
- - Mongo   Considering the huge cost of a manned Mars program...   Apr 6 2005, 08:30 PM
- - Gray   Robert Ballard has an interesting story about his ...   Apr 8 2005, 01:07 PM
- - wyogold   I think you are missing an important point about d...   Apr 9 2005, 05:17 AM
- - Bill Harris   To have humans _on_ Mars is more than a PR stunt (...   Apr 9 2005, 07:34 AM
|- - dvandorn   QUOTE (Bill Harris @ Apr 9 2005, 02:34 AM)To ...   Apr 9 2005, 07:58 AM
|- - Jeff7   QUOTE (dvandorn @ Apr 9 2005, 02:58 AM)Actual...   Apr 9 2005, 08:40 AM
|- - Mode5   A spacecraft in orbit with humans on board will be...   Apr 9 2005, 09:20 AM
- - cIclops   The difference between remote operations from Eart...   Apr 9 2005, 10:43 AM
- - TheChemist   Todays PanCam depository on Exploratorium consists...   Apr 9 2005, 03:11 PM
|- - dilo   QUOTE (TheChemist @ Apr 9 2005, 03:11 PM)Toda...   Apr 9 2005, 09:00 PM
|- - Mode5   QUOTE (dilo @ Apr 9 2005, 09:00 PM)QUOTE (The...   Apr 10 2005, 11:15 PM
|- - dilo   QUOTE (Mode5 @ Apr 10 2005, 11:15 PM)Great pi...   Apr 13 2005, 05:48 AM
|- - Mode5   QUOTE (dilo @ Apr 13 2005, 05:48 AM)QUOTE (Mo...   Apr 13 2005, 07:36 AM
- - Bill Harris   QUOTE Actually, no. Keeping a human crew alive and...   Apr 10 2005, 10:16 AM
- - BruceMoomaw   Getting back for a moment to whether humans should...   Apr 10 2005, 02:38 PM
|- - cIclops   QUOTE (BruceMoomaw @ Apr 10 2005, 02:38 PM)th...   Apr 10 2005, 02:54 PM
||- - Mode5   QUOTE (cIclops @ Apr 10 2005, 02:54 PM)QUOTE ...   Apr 11 2005, 12:48 AM
|- - David   QUOTE (BruceMoomaw @ Apr 10 2005, 02:38 PM)By...   Apr 13 2005, 03:11 PM
- - Jeff7   Mention of a crewed orbiter around Venus brought u...   Apr 10 2005, 02:43 PM
- - BruceMoomaw   Me: "...the problem is that [landed humans] W...   Apr 11 2005, 05:07 AM
- - Bill Harris   Good post(s), Bruce. The critical problem we face...   Apr 11 2005, 09:25 AM
|- - Jeff7   QUOTE (Bill Harris @ Apr 11 2005, 04:25 AM)Go...   Apr 11 2005, 02:54 PM
|- - dvandorn   QUOTE (Bill Harris @ Apr 11 2005, 04:25 AM)Ad...   Apr 11 2005, 03:22 PM
- - Bill Harris   QUOTE However, if we *do* intend to put humans on ...   Apr 11 2005, 04:11 PM
- - Buck Galaxy   So how long do we wait? Say MSL or some other rov...   Apr 13 2005, 06:07 AM
- - Bill Harris   QUOTE So how long do we wait? Say MSL or some othe...   Apr 13 2005, 06:58 AM
|- - paxdan   QUOTE (Bill Harris @ Apr 13 2005, 07:58 AM)QU...   Apr 13 2005, 07:46 AM
|- - cIclops   QUOTE (paxdan @ Apr 13 2005, 07:46 AM)<sni...   Apr 13 2005, 08:30 AM
|- - paxdan   QUOTE (cIclops @ Apr 13 2005, 09:30 AM)QUOTE ...   Apr 13 2005, 01:57 PM
- - Bill Harris   QUOTE Well those millions of kilometres of vacuum ...   Apr 13 2005, 12:42 PM
- - Gray   Hmm, this topic seems to have split into two conve...   Apr 13 2005, 01:21 PM


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