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Oct 27 2017, 01:40 PM
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They finally found a chunk of something coming into the Solar System. Something much bigger than cosmic rays or dust particles.
Asteroid/comet in hyperbolic trajectory |
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Nov 22 2017, 03:20 PM
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So we have to accept that 1I/2017 U1 truly have one remarkable shape.
According to one hypothesis it could have been formed from metal during the early phase of a stellar system in making, when the cores of small asteroids were molten. In that case it had been 'squirted' out as two minor blocs collided. The other one already proposed here is that it's a shard, it does not necessarily need to be caused by a collision. Temperature swings can have rocks crack also, and so it might have left the parent body in a less dramatic way. But I got one of my own, based on nothing else but garage physics and my experience of sandblasting. That is that it started out as an oval object, since then have been eroded by micrometeorites and so have gotten the current shape. And yes I agree, Arthur C. Clarke would have been amused to write an essay on this one. |
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Nov 22 2017, 08:15 PM
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So we have to accept that 1I/2017 U1 truly have one remarkable shape. According to one hypothesis it could have been formed from metal during the early phase of a stellar system in making, when the cores of small asteroids were molten. In that case it had been 'squirted' out as two minor blocs collided. The other one already proposed here is that it's a shard, it does not necessarily need to be caused by a collision. Temperature swings can have rocks crack also, and so it might have left the parent body in a less dramatic way. But I got one of my own, based on nothing else but garage physics and my experience of sandblasting. That is that it started out as an oval object, since then have been eroded by micrometeorites and so have gotten the current shape. And yes I agree, Arthur C. Clarke would have been amused to write an essay on this one. A 'squirting out' of molten material, which forms, essentially, a cylinder, strikes me as surprisingly organized. A multitude of roundish blobs seems likelier. If Oumuamua is a shard, one wonders why we don't see its like in asteroids belonging to our solar system. Granted, a long history of collisions would probably break up a long thin asteroid into smaller pieces. But wouldn't more recent collisions make ones that we could still observe? Long shards recently cracked off larger asteroids in our solar system by cycles of heat and cold should still be observable, too, shouldn't they? The closest we have seems to be Eros, but it's only about 3 times longer than it is wide; more of a 'potato' than a 'thin cigar'. Fine particles in space could erode an asteroid, but would probably do so evenly across its surface. Its rotation should facilitate that, as would the multidirectional distribution of the particles. |
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Holder of the Two Leashes Interstellar Interlopers Oct 27 2017, 01:40 PM
Gladstoner The estimated eccentricity of 1.19 (per Wikipedia)... Oct 27 2017, 06:47 PM
fredk QUOTE (Gladstoner @ Oct 27 2017, 07:47 PM... Oct 27 2017, 07:05 PM
Paolo I was surprised at first by the "low" ec... Oct 27 2017, 07:04 PM
Paolo the error bar for eccentricity is actually quite s... Oct 27 2017, 07:13 PM
fredk Thanks for that reference, Paolo.
Still, there ha... Oct 27 2017, 07:32 PM
Holder of the Two Leashes QUOTE (fredk @ Oct 27 2017, 02:32 PM) Sti... Oct 27 2017, 09:09 PM
Gladstoner For reference, a list of all 'hyperbolic' ... Oct 27 2017, 07:51 PM
Paolo many of these articles were written before a secon... Oct 28 2017, 05:16 AM
JRehling The challenges are obvious, but it would be nice t... Oct 28 2017, 09:48 PM
TheAnt QUOTE (JRehling @ Oct 28 2017, 11:48 PM) ... Oct 28 2017, 10:46 PM
Gladstoner I recall reading several years ago about a year-ro... Oct 28 2017, 11:12 PM
JohnVV using the HORIZONS telnet ( yes telnet from the 70... Oct 28 2017, 11:58 PM
JRehling TheAnt,
Truly reaching this object will be quite ... Oct 30 2017, 12:48 AM
TheAnt QUOTE (JRehling @ Oct 30 2017, 01:48 AM) ... Oct 30 2017, 03:08 PM
Gladstoner QUOTE (TheAnt @ Oct 30 2017, 10:08 AM) Af... Oct 30 2017, 03:36 PM
HSchirmer QUOTE (TheAnt @ Oct 30 2017, 04:08 PM) I ... Oct 30 2017, 06:07 PM
TheAnt QUOTE (HSchirmer @ Oct 30 2017, 07:07 PM)... Oct 30 2017, 07:47 PM
HSchirmer QUOTE (TheAnt @ Oct 30 2017, 08:47 PM) I ... Oct 30 2017, 10:13 PM
Gladstoner Path of approach of A/2017 U1 plotted in Voyager I... Oct 30 2017, 05:40 AM
Gladstoner I gather that it would be prudent to give this reg... Oct 30 2017, 05:46 AM
Paolo that was fast!
Palomar Optical Spectrum of Hy... Oct 30 2017, 05:52 AM
Floyd QUOTE (Gladstoner @ Oct 30 2017, 01:40 AM... Oct 30 2017, 11:55 AM
Ames QUOTE (Floyd @ Oct 30 2017, 11:55 AM) The... Oct 30 2017, 12:42 PM
Explorer1 If only it had been noticed earlier, before closes... Oct 30 2017, 05:54 PM
fredk It just depends on the velocity distribution of in... Oct 30 2017, 10:36 PM
ngunn I'd like to know the miss distance of its appr... Oct 31 2017, 12:21 AM
HSchirmer QUOTE (ngunn @ Oct 31 2017, 01:21 AM) I... Oct 31 2017, 07:08 PM
Paolo QUOTE (HSchirmer @ Oct 31 2017, 08:08 PM)... Nov 1 2017, 06:49 AM
fredk That's called the impact parameter. It's ... Oct 31 2017, 12:46 AM
JRehling I think the two most important kinds of scrutiny f... Oct 31 2017, 06:25 PM
Gerald QUOTE (JRehling @ Oct 31 2017, 08:25 PM) ... Nov 1 2017, 08:02 PM
Phil Stooke I'm afraid that's not quite how it works. ... Oct 31 2017, 07:25 PM
fredk The sun also doesn't help. The slingshot mech... Oct 31 2017, 07:45 PM
HSchirmer QUOTE (fredk @ Oct 31 2017, 08:45 PM) The... Oct 31 2017, 08:26 PM
fredk For the sun, the outgoing speed will clearly be th... Oct 31 2017, 09:58 PM
Paolo and a second arXiv paper:
Kinematics of the Inters... Nov 1 2017, 07:05 AM
nprev Going back to the object itself, interesting that ... Nov 1 2017, 11:39 PM
Gladstoner QUOTE (nprev @ Nov 1 2017, 05:39 PM) Goin... Nov 2 2017, 12:20 AM
Gerald You'll probably need an environment, where lig... Nov 2 2017, 02:10 AM
Gladstoner Are there asteroids in the inner solar system with... Nov 2 2017, 04:12 AM
Gerald A coating of a few microns of a pigment like tholi... Nov 2 2017, 10:37 AM
JRehling A/2017 U1 had no observed coma, so it had little i... Nov 2 2017, 03:18 PM

HSchirmer QUOTE (JRehling @ Nov 2 2017, 04:18 PM) A... Dec 19 2017, 02:20 AM
nprev QUOTE (Gerald @ Nov 2 2017, 02:37 AM) Ama... Nov 3 2017, 08:14 AM
fredk Makes me wonder about capture: some extremely smal... Nov 2 2017, 04:48 PM
Gladstoner It has been hypothesized that comet 96P/Machholz c... Nov 2 2017, 05:04 PM
Gerald I wouldn't call the ejection of a small Jovian... Nov 3 2017, 11:48 AM
Paolo I suspect that the xenoasteroid's redness has ... Nov 3 2017, 03:24 PM
HSchirmer QUOTE (Paolo @ Nov 3 2017, 03:24 PM) I su... Nov 3 2017, 10:48 PM
nprev Pity we'll never get a high-res image of it. I... Nov 3 2017, 07:56 PM
Gerald I wonder, how this observation of an extrasolar as... Nov 3 2017, 11:28 PM
HSchirmer QUOTE (Gerald @ Nov 4 2017, 12:28 AM) So,... Nov 4 2017, 11:21 PM
Paolo IIRC interstellar grains are mostly supposed to fo... Nov 4 2017, 06:32 AM
Paolo QUOTE (Paolo @ Nov 4 2017, 07:32 AM) I re... Nov 25 2017, 04:22 PM
Gerald The paper I mentioned above says at the end of pag... Nov 4 2017, 08:50 AM
JRehling In our solar system, small (asteroid) and very sma... Nov 7 2017, 04:43 PM
Paolo a new naming convention for interstellar objects: ... Nov 7 2017, 09:09 AM
stevesliva You omitted the 1, which when you get down to thin... Nov 7 2017, 02:19 PM
Paolo a good update on what's known about 'Oumua... Nov 12 2017, 07:39 AM
HSchirmer QUOTE (Paolo @ Nov 12 2017, 07:39 AM) a g... Nov 12 2017, 01:33 PM
djellison The spacecraft would not have survived the trip. ... Nov 12 2017, 03:31 PM
hendric With all the hot Jupiters we've discovered, I ... Nov 13 2017, 04:36 PM
JRehling Hot Jupiters are relatively rare. We discovered so... Nov 14 2017, 04:31 PM
Hungry4info With as deep in their star's gravitational wel... Nov 13 2017, 04:55 PM
HSchirmer QUOTE (Hungry4info @ Nov 13 2017, 05:55 P... Nov 13 2017, 06:40 PM
hendric Well, my assumption was that the source solar syst... Nov 13 2017, 07:59 PM
fredk Here's a twist - a paper looking at the possib... Nov 17 2017, 03:37 PM
nprev Well...at least it's a testable hypothesis if ... Nov 18 2017, 07:09 AM
dudley Examination of the light curve of Oumuamua as it r... Nov 18 2017, 04:10 PM
TheAnt QUOTE (dudley @ Nov 18 2017, 05:10 PM) Ex... Nov 18 2017, 04:21 PM
Explorer1 QUOTE (dudley @ Nov 18 2017, 11:10 AM) Ex... Nov 18 2017, 05:18 PM
dudley QUOTE (Explorer1 @ Nov 18 2017, 05:18 PM)... Nov 18 2017, 06:14 PM
fredk It's not entirely clear what Occam would say a... Nov 18 2017, 05:34 PM
Ron Hobbs ESO has a press release out today with an artist... Nov 20 2017, 06:00 PM
Gerald Possibly a collision fragment. But figures of equi... Nov 20 2017, 09:34 PM
dudley The differences in reflectivity, through the cours... Nov 20 2017, 11:11 PM
fredk It's worth pointing out that the lightcurve br... Nov 21 2017, 01:06 AM
dudley The linked article is a few days old, so has the o... Nov 21 2017, 02:31 AM
fredk You can read in the original Nature paper linked i... Nov 21 2017, 05:26 AM
Floyd There must be Psyche-like bodies in other systems.... Nov 21 2017, 01:36 PM
Explorer1 Have we confirmed (from any 'precovery images... Nov 22 2017, 12:17 AM
dudley The trend in thinking about this object now, is th... Nov 22 2017, 03:22 AM
TheAnt QUOTE (dudley @ Nov 22 2017, 09:15 PM) A ... Nov 23 2017, 11:20 PM
Ron Hobbs The artwork from M. Kornmesser at ESO is the APOD ... Nov 22 2017, 05:16 PM
Gladstoner Objects in our solar system have been subjected to... Nov 23 2017, 12:03 AM
dudley Perhaps Oumuamua was ejected from its home system ... Nov 23 2017, 02:16 AM
Gladstoner QUOTE (dudley @ Nov 22 2017, 08:16 PM) Sh... Nov 23 2017, 06:36 AM
Gerald As far as I understood, any detectable cometary ac... Nov 23 2017, 03:04 PM
nprev ADMIN NOTE: Two posts in violation of rule 1.3 rem... Nov 23 2017, 04:38 PM
dudley The length of Oumuamua was first given as 180, and... Nov 24 2017, 06:40 PM
nprev I haven't seen error bars for any of these mea... Nov 24 2017, 07:21 PM
fredk Adding to nprev's comments, the lightcurve onl... Nov 24 2017, 09:09 PM
JRehling In real estate, the three most important things ar... Nov 25 2017, 07:08 AM
Floyd Excellent point on multiple rounds of exceptional ... Nov 25 2017, 02:09 PM
Gerald This seems to be within the possible scenarios on ... Dec 19 2017, 09:56 AM
JRehling It seems like the number of possible hypotheses is... Dec 20 2017, 04:25 AM
nprev We've got evidence that many systems have plan... Dec 20 2017, 05:41 AM![]() ![]() |
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