My Assistant
Dust Storm- Opportunity EOM, the end of the beginning of a new era in robotic spaceflight |
Jun 5 2018, 03:05 PM
Post
#1
|
|
|
Founder ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Chairman Posts: 14457 Joined: 8-February 04 Member No.: 1 |
Expect a quiet few sols - http://www.lpl.arizona.edu/~lemmon/mars-tau-b.html
SOL TAU 5097 0.65 5098 0.64 5099 0.67 5100 0.64 5101 0.60 5102 0.60 5103 0.61 5104 1.55 5105 **** 5106 2.12 |
|
|
|
![]() |
Jun 15 2018, 01:46 PM
Post
#2
|
|
![]() Martian Photographer ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 353 Joined: 3-March 05 Member No.: 183 |
Exactly! The Sun itself was fainter than a full moon on Earth on Sunday. But in each photon-dust interaction the extinction (which tau measures) is <10% absorption and >90% scattering to sky light. The scattering is ~85% downward, 15% upward. There would be 10-11 extinction events (more like 14-15 at the time Opportunity was awake, with the Sun not vertical). Modeling literally the round numbers I just used, I get 98% loss of light at the surface (i.e., sky light >10,000 times direct sun light); you got 97% (and I believe the panels more than made up numbers).
What did it look like? Other than the decidedly ruddy to brownish tint, it looked like a somewhat overcast day. The sort of mid-afternoon when you can just barely see (or not quite see) the Sun through clouds that stretch from horizon to horizon. When the world would be black through eclipse glasses, but easily visible without. Normal human vision would adapt well--it's not night, moonless or moonlit, or even sunset. Solar panels, however, are not known for being so dark-adaptable. So the drama is real, even if people seem to want to describe it in terms that would be as dramatic for people as the actual situation is dramatic for the rover. This weekend, I expect tau of several hundred. Not on Mars, but at home, where we expect thunderstorms. PS, scattered light is not 'neglected'. In photometrically measuring opacity it is hunted and eliminated with extreme prejudice. |
|
|
|
Jun 15 2018, 02:26 PM
Post
#3
|
|
|
Senior Member ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 2559 Joined: 13-September 05 Member No.: 497 |
Solar panels, however, are not known for being so dark-adaptable. As a data point, I have solar panels on my house. On a typical day in March they generate about 30 kW-h. During the cloudiest, lowest-production day this March, I got about 3 kW-h, about 10x worse. 700/22 is 32x less production, so this would be a really cloudy day, at least by SoCal standards. (Solar distance is already scaled out so don't complain about that.) -------------------- Disclaimer: This post is based on public information only. Any opinions are my own.
|
|
|
|
djellison Dust Storm- Opportunity EOM Jun 5 2018, 03:05 PM
nprev Breaking news: As Mars nears one of its closest pe... Jun 9 2018, 06:38 AM
Sean Oh god. Jun 9 2018, 11:17 AM
fredk Some details of the storm activity at the MRO MARC... Jun 9 2018, 02:17 PM
James Sorenson Good luck to Opportunity and to the very talented ... Jun 9 2018, 06:44 PM
Explorer1 Given the length of the mission, it was only a mat... Jun 9 2018, 07:18 PM
marsophile Once the dust storm per se abates, there may be a ... Jun 10 2018, 12:46 AM
Phil Stooke "I wonder if there might be some advantage at... Jun 10 2018, 08:21 PM
djellison When you have skies this dusty - the single best s... Jun 10 2018, 09:03 PM
centsworth_II Also, with panels flat, a gust of wind from any d... Jun 10 2018, 09:21 PM
djellison Moreover - it's not dust 'fall' that h... Jun 10 2018, 09:34 PM
Dalhousie QUOTE (djellison @ Jun 10 2018, 09:34 PM)... Jun 10 2018, 11:01 PM
djellison QUOTE (Dalhousie @ Jun 10 2018, 04:01 PM)... Jun 11 2018, 12:43 AM
pioneer Will Opportunity get a chance to send back images ... Jun 10 2018, 10:07 PM
djellison Other than taking occasional tau measurements of t... Jun 10 2018, 10:13 PM
ngunn I wonder how much tilt you need to shake some dust... Jun 10 2018, 10:29 PM
djellison The sort of slope that represents a threat to vehi... Jun 10 2018, 10:38 PM
ngunn Sure, my question was not about managing the situa... Jun 10 2018, 11:11 PM
djellison QUOTE (ngunn @ Jun 10 2018, 03:11 PM) If ... Jun 11 2018, 12:30 AM
RoverDriver QUOTE (ngunn @ Jun 10 2018, 04:11 PM) ...... Jun 13 2018, 04:21 PM
marsophile Is it still true that the prevailing wind is upslo... Jun 10 2018, 11:38 PM
pioneer Thanks. I thought I saw an image taken by one of ... Jun 11 2018, 12:55 AM
James Sorenson Oppy as well as Spirit did take some images of the... Jun 11 2018, 01:15 AM
serpens Yep. Spirit provided a sequence of images that p... Jun 11 2018, 03:49 AM
djellison This mosaic is from Opportunity
https://www.nasa.g... Jun 11 2018, 04:23 AM
serpens QUOTE (djellison @ Jun 11 2018, 04:23 AM)... Jun 11 2018, 12:15 PM
James Sorenson I am curious if the full frame wide range tau imag... Jun 11 2018, 04:36 AM
Deimos Hoping to see some new values added to that site s... Jun 11 2018, 11:49 AM
Deimos I suppose since the news is here, it is on the plo... Jun 11 2018, 07:32 PM
fredk QUOTE (Deimos @ Jun 11 2018, 08:32 PM) A ... Jun 11 2018, 07:47 PM
MoreInput I just can't believe how fast the tau increase... Jun 11 2018, 07:49 PM
mcaplinger Has Opportunity ever been in a low-power fault sta... Jun 11 2018, 09:52 PM
serpens I guess Opportunity would be better placed to come... Jun 11 2018, 11:28 PM
mcaplinger QUOTE (serpens @ Jun 11 2018, 03:28 PM) I... Jun 12 2018, 05:47 AM
marsophile https://mars.nasa.gov/mer/newsroom/pressrel.../200... Jun 12 2018, 12:33 AM
Hungry4info It's apparently not as bad over Curiosity... Jun 12 2018, 04:11 AM
MahFL QUOTE (Hungry4info @ Jun 12 2018, 04:11 A... Jun 12 2018, 10:39 PM
PaulH51 NASA will host a media teleconference at 10:30 a.m... Jun 12 2018, 09:36 PM
HSchirmer QUOTE (PaulH51 @ Jun 12 2018, 10:36 PM) N... Jun 12 2018, 10:09 PM
xflare Has there been any further communication from Oppo... Jun 12 2018, 11:32 PM
mcaplinger QUOTE (xflare @ Jun 12 2018, 03:32 PM) Ha... Jun 13 2018, 12:50 AM
RoverDriver There will be a telecon tomorrow (Wednesday June 1... Jun 13 2018, 12:46 AM
jccwrt The JPL news story on the dust storm was updated t... Jun 13 2018, 03:05 AM
mcaplinger QUOTE (jccwrt @ Jun 12 2018, 07:05 PM) th... Jun 13 2018, 03:45 AM
serpens Thanks for that link. I guess all that can be don... Jun 13 2018, 04:15 AM
SpaceListener Are the solar panels able to raise up? I say this ... Jun 13 2018, 04:31 PM
MahFL QUOTE (SpaceListener @ Jun 13 2018, 05:31... Jun 13 2018, 10:48 PM
Explorer1 No, those were a one-time use, though good thinki... Jun 13 2018, 04:35 PM
djellison People should think of their TV screen. It has d... Jun 13 2018, 05:52 PM
Art Martin The news conference was upbeat. They expect the r... Jun 13 2018, 06:22 PM
mcaplinger The good news from the press conference is that th... Jun 13 2018, 11:24 PM
marsophile QUOTE (mcaplinger @ Jun 13 2018, 03:24 PM... Jun 14 2018, 03:17 AM
PaulH51 ICYMI : Here is a link to the YouTube recording of... Jun 14 2018, 12:35 AM
serpens The extent of this dust storm seems to be emulatin... Jun 14 2018, 02:13 AM
jccwrt Another potential alternative is the 1977 dust sto... Jun 14 2018, 02:55 AM
elakdawalla Because a lot of questions being asked here were a... Jun 14 2018, 03:27 AM
mcaplinger QUOTE (elakdawalla @ Jun 13 2018, 07:27 P... Jun 14 2018, 04:09 AM
elakdawalla QUOTE (mcaplinger @ Jun 13 2018, 09:09 PM... Jun 14 2018, 04:36 PM
Explorer1 The main thought I keeping coming back to is that ... Jun 14 2018, 04:33 AM
mcaplinger QUOTE (Explorer1 @ Jun 13 2018, 08:33 PM)... Jun 14 2018, 03:11 PM
Gerald QUOTE (mcaplinger @ Jun 14 2018, 05:11 PM... Jun 14 2018, 05:30 PM
mcaplinger https://trs.jpl.nasa.gov/handle/2014/43244 "T... Jun 14 2018, 03:05 PM
Deimos Not strictly true, at least if you're referrin... Jun 14 2018, 05:59 PM
marsophile New MARCI weather report:
http://www.msss.com/mss... Jun 14 2018, 08:02 PM
Steve G To add a layman's context to the amount of sun... Jun 15 2018, 03:19 AM
serpens There are a lot of variables to consider there Ste... Jun 15 2018, 06:38 AM
Don1 OK, so according to the source linked below, a sun... Jun 15 2018, 09:02 AM
Gerald If I understand it correctly, tau measurements are... Jun 15 2018, 12:03 PM
fredk QUOTE (Deimos @ Jun 15 2018, 02:46 PM) Th... Jun 15 2018, 04:37 PM
hendric On the 22 WH just to keep the clock alive, maybe t... Jun 15 2018, 07:19 PM
mcaplinger QUOTE (hendric @ Jun 15 2018, 11:19 AM) O... Jun 15 2018, 10:26 PM

hendric QUOTE (mcaplinger @ Jun 15 2018, 05:26 PM... Jun 17 2018, 02:31 PM

mcaplinger QUOTE (hendric @ Jun 17 2018, 06:31 AM) w... Jun 17 2018, 03:36 PM
marsophile QUOTE (hendric @ Jun 15 2018, 11:19 AM) O... Jun 16 2018, 02:58 AM
mcaplinger QUOTE (marsophile @ Jun 15 2018, 06:58 PM... Jun 16 2018, 04:01 PM
Roby72 just as a reminder how Mars looked in 2001 fully i... Jun 15 2018, 09:56 PM
siravan Regarding tau and the efficiency of solar panels, ... Jun 15 2018, 10:10 PM
serpens As siravan noted the spectrum at the surface would... Jun 16 2018, 01:13 AM
Deimos QUOTE (serpens @ Jun 16 2018, 01:13 AM) T... Jun 16 2018, 01:30 PM
fredk QUOTE (Deimos @ Jun 16 2018, 02:30 PM) If... Jun 16 2018, 11:30 PM
Don1 I did try to estimate the illumination based on th... Jun 16 2018, 09:20 PM
mcaplinger QUOTE (Don1 @ Jun 16 2018, 01:20 PM) What... Jun 16 2018, 11:38 PM
MahFL QUOTE (mcaplinger @ Jun 16 2018, 11:38 PM... Jun 17 2018, 08:44 AM
mcaplinger QUOTE (MahFL @ Jun 17 2018, 12:44 AM) The... Jun 17 2018, 02:21 PM
Don1 QUOTE (mcaplinger @ Jun 16 2018, 04:38 PM... Jun 17 2018, 09:05 AM
serpens While the GaInP top cell is the limiting (short ci... Jun 17 2018, 12:48 PM
fredk I guess the question is: how does the rover decide... Jun 17 2018, 02:34 PM
mcaplinger QUOTE (fredk @ Jun 17 2018, 06:34 AM) Mor... Jun 17 2018, 03:41 PM

marsophile QUOTE (mcaplinger @ Jun 17 2018, 07:41 AM... Jun 17 2018, 06:57 PM

mcaplinger QUOTE (marsophile @ Jun 17 2018, 10:57 AM... Jun 18 2018, 12:11 AM
djellison QUOTE (fredk @ Jun 17 2018, 06:34 AM) I g... Jun 17 2018, 11:42 PM
scalbers How severe is this dust storm compared with others... Jun 17 2018, 07:55 PM
mcaplinger QUOTE (scalbers @ Jun 17 2018, 11:55 AM) ... Jun 17 2018, 08:11 PM
serpens QUOTE (scalbers @ Jun 17 2018, 08:55 PM) ... Jun 18 2018, 12:19 AM
fredk From the latest MRO weather report:
QUOTE By the e... Jun 20 2018, 05:35 PM
mcaplinger http://www.planetary.org/explore/space-top...mer-u... Jun 20 2018, 09:57 PM
djellison "The Martian dust storm has grown in size and... Jun 20 2018, 10:31 PM
JRehling Christopher Go is the ace of [superior planet] ast... Jun 21 2018, 03:29 AM![]() ![]() |
|
Lo-Fi Version | Time is now: 17th December 2024 - 05:24 AM |
|
RULES AND GUIDELINES Please read the Forum Rules and Guidelines before posting. IMAGE COPYRIGHT |
OPINIONS AND MODERATION Opinions expressed on UnmannedSpaceflight.com are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily reflect the opinions of UnmannedSpaceflight.com or The Planetary Society. The all-volunteer UnmannedSpaceflight.com moderation team is wholly independent of The Planetary Society. The Planetary Society has no influence over decisions made by the UnmannedSpaceflight.com moderators. |
SUPPORT THE FORUM Unmannedspaceflight.com is funded by the Planetary Society. Please consider supporting our work and many other projects by donating to the Society or becoming a member. |
|