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Jun 5 2018, 03:05 PM
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Expect a quiet few sols - http://www.lpl.arizona.edu/~lemmon/mars-tau-b.html
SOL TAU 5097 0.65 5098 0.64 5099 0.67 5100 0.64 5101 0.60 5102 0.60 5103 0.61 5104 1.55 5105 **** 5106 2.12 |
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Jun 16 2018, 09:20 PM
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I did try to estimate the illumination based on the solar panel output, and I was puzzled by why that was coming out so differently from the estimate based on tau. What bothers me about the 22 Watt-hr quoted for the solar panel production is that seems way too much to just run a clock. Are we certain that number is accurate?
Also, if there was a break in the storm the rover might have gotten half an hour of sun which would charge the battery a little. We don't know how much the panels were producing at the time the tau was measured. On a different topic, the 8 RHUs are providing 192 Watt-hours of energy in the form of heat. If I remember correctly, sunny day production from the panels is about 600 Watt-hours of electricity. So a big chunk of the energy budget of this "solar" powered rover is actually from nuclear sources, even when it is sunny. That surprised me when I worked out the numbers. |
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Jun 16 2018, 11:38 PM
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What bothers me about the 22 Watt-hr quoted for the solar panel production is that seems way too much to just run a clock. Are we certain that number is accurate? No, and it was a bit of an off-the-cuff answer, but barring some additional information from the project it's all we have to go on, and it's not implausible given what details of the design we do know. For example, some types of Q-Tech oscillators really do draw 40 mA just for the oscillator, and then for a complete clock there has to be a counter and maybe some other stuff -- the fault protection paper references a "mission clock FPGA". I also don't fully understand how the scheduling of transmission and reception periods happens if the mission clock is lost. This seemed to introduce a lot of complexity into the attempted recovery process for Spirit. Presumably without the mission clock there's no way for the rover to figure when 11 LST is (in theory it could do with from solar power production but that would vary a lot based on tau, tilt, dust on the panels, etc.); AFAIK this scenario isn't described in the fault protection paper. -------------------- Disclaimer: This post is based on public information only. Any opinions are my own.
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Jun 17 2018, 08:44 AM
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No, and it was a bit of an off-the-cuff answer, but barring some additional information from the project it's all we have to go on, and it's not implausible given what details of the design we do know. For example, some types of Q-Tech oscillators really do draw 40 mA just for the oscillator, and then for a complete clock there has to be a counter and maybe some other stuff -- the fault protection paper references a "mission clock FPGA". I also don't fully understand how the scheduling of transmission and reception periods happens if the mission clock is lost. This seemed to introduce a lot of complexity into the attempted recovery process for Spirit. Presumably without the mission clock there's no way for the rover to figure when 11 LST is (in theory it could do with from solar power production but that would vary a lot based on tau, tilt, dust on the panels, etc.); AFAIK this scenario isn't described in the fault protection paper. The rover transmits roughly around midday on Mars, so the orbiters listen then. Once the signal is received they can send commands to the rover, which listens periodically, eventually getting back into sync with Earth. |
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Jun 17 2018, 02:21 PM
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The rover transmits roughly around midday on Mars... As noted before, if it was that easy, then how do you explain the need for the "sweep&beep" campaign done for months with Spirit? -------------------- Disclaimer: This post is based on public information only. Any opinions are my own.
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djellison Dust Storm- Opportunity EOM Jun 5 2018, 03:05 PM
nprev Breaking news: As Mars nears one of its closest pe... Jun 9 2018, 06:38 AM
Sean Oh god. Jun 9 2018, 11:17 AM
fredk Some details of the storm activity at the MRO MARC... Jun 9 2018, 02:17 PM
James Sorenson Good luck to Opportunity and to the very talented ... Jun 9 2018, 06:44 PM
Explorer1 Given the length of the mission, it was only a mat... Jun 9 2018, 07:18 PM
marsophile Once the dust storm per se abates, there may be a ... Jun 10 2018, 12:46 AM
Phil Stooke "I wonder if there might be some advantage at... Jun 10 2018, 08:21 PM
djellison When you have skies this dusty - the single best s... Jun 10 2018, 09:03 PM
centsworth_II Also, with panels flat, a gust of wind from any d... Jun 10 2018, 09:21 PM
djellison Moreover - it's not dust 'fall' that h... Jun 10 2018, 09:34 PM
Dalhousie QUOTE (djellison @ Jun 10 2018, 09:34 PM)... Jun 10 2018, 11:01 PM
djellison QUOTE (Dalhousie @ Jun 10 2018, 04:01 PM)... Jun 11 2018, 12:43 AM
pioneer Will Opportunity get a chance to send back images ... Jun 10 2018, 10:07 PM
djellison Other than taking occasional tau measurements of t... Jun 10 2018, 10:13 PM
ngunn I wonder how much tilt you need to shake some dust... Jun 10 2018, 10:29 PM
djellison The sort of slope that represents a threat to vehi... Jun 10 2018, 10:38 PM
ngunn Sure, my question was not about managing the situa... Jun 10 2018, 11:11 PM
djellison QUOTE (ngunn @ Jun 10 2018, 03:11 PM) If ... Jun 11 2018, 12:30 AM
RoverDriver QUOTE (ngunn @ Jun 10 2018, 04:11 PM) ...... Jun 13 2018, 04:21 PM
marsophile Is it still true that the prevailing wind is upslo... Jun 10 2018, 11:38 PM
pioneer Thanks. I thought I saw an image taken by one of ... Jun 11 2018, 12:55 AM
James Sorenson Oppy as well as Spirit did take some images of the... Jun 11 2018, 01:15 AM
serpens Yep. Spirit provided a sequence of images that p... Jun 11 2018, 03:49 AM
djellison This mosaic is from Opportunity
https://www.nasa.g... Jun 11 2018, 04:23 AM
serpens QUOTE (djellison @ Jun 11 2018, 04:23 AM)... Jun 11 2018, 12:15 PM
James Sorenson I am curious if the full frame wide range tau imag... Jun 11 2018, 04:36 AM
Deimos Hoping to see some new values added to that site s... Jun 11 2018, 11:49 AM
Deimos I suppose since the news is here, it is on the plo... Jun 11 2018, 07:32 PM
fredk QUOTE (Deimos @ Jun 11 2018, 08:32 PM) A ... Jun 11 2018, 07:47 PM
MoreInput I just can't believe how fast the tau increase... Jun 11 2018, 07:49 PM
mcaplinger Has Opportunity ever been in a low-power fault sta... Jun 11 2018, 09:52 PM
serpens I guess Opportunity would be better placed to come... Jun 11 2018, 11:28 PM
mcaplinger QUOTE (serpens @ Jun 11 2018, 03:28 PM) I... Jun 12 2018, 05:47 AM
marsophile https://mars.nasa.gov/mer/newsroom/pressrel.../200... Jun 12 2018, 12:33 AM
Hungry4info It's apparently not as bad over Curiosity... Jun 12 2018, 04:11 AM
MahFL QUOTE (Hungry4info @ Jun 12 2018, 04:11 A... Jun 12 2018, 10:39 PM
PaulH51 NASA will host a media teleconference at 10:30 a.m... Jun 12 2018, 09:36 PM
HSchirmer QUOTE (PaulH51 @ Jun 12 2018, 10:36 PM) N... Jun 12 2018, 10:09 PM
xflare Has there been any further communication from Oppo... Jun 12 2018, 11:32 PM
mcaplinger QUOTE (xflare @ Jun 12 2018, 03:32 PM) Ha... Jun 13 2018, 12:50 AM
RoverDriver There will be a telecon tomorrow (Wednesday June 1... Jun 13 2018, 12:46 AM
jccwrt The JPL news story on the dust storm was updated t... Jun 13 2018, 03:05 AM
mcaplinger QUOTE (jccwrt @ Jun 12 2018, 07:05 PM) th... Jun 13 2018, 03:45 AM
serpens Thanks for that link. I guess all that can be don... Jun 13 2018, 04:15 AM
SpaceListener Are the solar panels able to raise up? I say this ... Jun 13 2018, 04:31 PM
MahFL QUOTE (SpaceListener @ Jun 13 2018, 05:31... Jun 13 2018, 10:48 PM
Explorer1 No, those were a one-time use, though good thinki... Jun 13 2018, 04:35 PM
djellison People should think of their TV screen. It has d... Jun 13 2018, 05:52 PM
Art Martin The news conference was upbeat. They expect the r... Jun 13 2018, 06:22 PM
mcaplinger The good news from the press conference is that th... Jun 13 2018, 11:24 PM
marsophile QUOTE (mcaplinger @ Jun 13 2018, 03:24 PM... Jun 14 2018, 03:17 AM
PaulH51 ICYMI : Here is a link to the YouTube recording of... Jun 14 2018, 12:35 AM
serpens The extent of this dust storm seems to be emulatin... Jun 14 2018, 02:13 AM
jccwrt Another potential alternative is the 1977 dust sto... Jun 14 2018, 02:55 AM
elakdawalla Because a lot of questions being asked here were a... Jun 14 2018, 03:27 AM
mcaplinger QUOTE (elakdawalla @ Jun 13 2018, 07:27 P... Jun 14 2018, 04:09 AM
elakdawalla QUOTE (mcaplinger @ Jun 13 2018, 09:09 PM... Jun 14 2018, 04:36 PM
Explorer1 The main thought I keeping coming back to is that ... Jun 14 2018, 04:33 AM
mcaplinger QUOTE (Explorer1 @ Jun 13 2018, 08:33 PM)... Jun 14 2018, 03:11 PM
Gerald QUOTE (mcaplinger @ Jun 14 2018, 05:11 PM... Jun 14 2018, 05:30 PM
mcaplinger https://trs.jpl.nasa.gov/handle/2014/43244 "T... Jun 14 2018, 03:05 PM
Deimos Not strictly true, at least if you're referrin... Jun 14 2018, 05:59 PM
marsophile New MARCI weather report:
http://www.msss.com/mss... Jun 14 2018, 08:02 PM
Steve G To add a layman's context to the amount of sun... Jun 15 2018, 03:19 AM
serpens There are a lot of variables to consider there Ste... Jun 15 2018, 06:38 AM
Don1 OK, so according to the source linked below, a sun... Jun 15 2018, 09:02 AM
Gerald If I understand it correctly, tau measurements are... Jun 15 2018, 12:03 PM
Deimos Exactly! The Sun itself was fainter than a ful... Jun 15 2018, 01:46 PM
mcaplinger QUOTE (Deimos @ Jun 15 2018, 05:46 AM) So... Jun 15 2018, 02:26 PM
fredk QUOTE (Deimos @ Jun 15 2018, 02:46 PM) Th... Jun 15 2018, 04:37 PM
hendric On the 22 WH just to keep the clock alive, maybe t... Jun 15 2018, 07:19 PM
mcaplinger QUOTE (hendric @ Jun 15 2018, 11:19 AM) O... Jun 15 2018, 10:26 PM

hendric QUOTE (mcaplinger @ Jun 15 2018, 05:26 PM... Jun 17 2018, 02:31 PM

mcaplinger QUOTE (hendric @ Jun 17 2018, 06:31 AM) w... Jun 17 2018, 03:36 PM
marsophile QUOTE (hendric @ Jun 15 2018, 11:19 AM) O... Jun 16 2018, 02:58 AM
mcaplinger QUOTE (marsophile @ Jun 15 2018, 06:58 PM... Jun 16 2018, 04:01 PM
Roby72 just as a reminder how Mars looked in 2001 fully i... Jun 15 2018, 09:56 PM
siravan Regarding tau and the efficiency of solar panels, ... Jun 15 2018, 10:10 PM
serpens As siravan noted the spectrum at the surface would... Jun 16 2018, 01:13 AM
Deimos QUOTE (serpens @ Jun 16 2018, 01:13 AM) T... Jun 16 2018, 01:30 PM
fredk QUOTE (Deimos @ Jun 16 2018, 02:30 PM) If... Jun 16 2018, 11:30 PM
Don1 QUOTE (mcaplinger @ Jun 16 2018, 04:38 PM... Jun 17 2018, 09:05 AM
serpens While the GaInP top cell is the limiting (short ci... Jun 17 2018, 12:48 PM
fredk I guess the question is: how does the rover decide... Jun 17 2018, 02:34 PM
mcaplinger QUOTE (fredk @ Jun 17 2018, 06:34 AM) Mor... Jun 17 2018, 03:41 PM

marsophile QUOTE (mcaplinger @ Jun 17 2018, 07:41 AM... Jun 17 2018, 06:57 PM

mcaplinger QUOTE (marsophile @ Jun 17 2018, 10:57 AM... Jun 18 2018, 12:11 AM
djellison QUOTE (fredk @ Jun 17 2018, 06:34 AM) I g... Jun 17 2018, 11:42 PM
scalbers How severe is this dust storm compared with others... Jun 17 2018, 07:55 PM
mcaplinger QUOTE (scalbers @ Jun 17 2018, 11:55 AM) ... Jun 17 2018, 08:11 PM
serpens QUOTE (scalbers @ Jun 17 2018, 08:55 PM) ... Jun 18 2018, 12:19 AM
fredk From the latest MRO weather report:
QUOTE By the e... Jun 20 2018, 05:35 PM
mcaplinger http://www.planetary.org/explore/space-top...mer-u... Jun 20 2018, 09:57 PM
djellison "The Martian dust storm has grown in size and... Jun 20 2018, 10:31 PM
JRehling Christopher Go is the ace of [superior planet] ast... Jun 21 2018, 03:29 AM![]() ![]() |
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