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Juno Perijove 35 - Jupiter, July 21, 2021
mcaplinger
post Jul 22 2021, 10:12 PM
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First group of images, including Ganymede, now on missionjuno. More to follow.


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post Aug 17 2021, 01:23 PM
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Thanks. A crude way to estimate the radiation dose might be to count spikes/bright pixels in the images.

I'm still wondering about scattered light. I suspect it might be possible in theory to construct a 3D model of JunoCam and the spacecraft components that directly or indirectly can scatter light into the camera and then use some sort of ray tracing to construct an accurate model of scattered light, including its color, for each image. I imagine this would be extremely complicated and a lot of work to do and the practical value limited since it is usually rather trivial to determine the approximate correction per perijove required to process the raw images into approximately true color.

QUOTE (Brian Swift @ Aug 14 2021, 06:40 AM) *
Not necessarily a good metric, but an easy one to produce...

Here are color ratios from the per-perijove Radiation Trend Monitoring datatakes.
The ratios are of the 20th, 200th, and 2000th brightest decompanded (but otherwise unmodified) value
from each color channel.

Did you take into account that parts of these images are usually overexposed/saturated?

I ended up multiplying the red values by 1.0, green values by 1.27 and blue values by 3.05 to correct the color of the PJ35 images. This is a part of image PJ35_57 in approximately true color/contrast and enhanced versions:

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post Aug 17 2021, 02:18 PM
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QUOTE (Bjorn Jonsson @ Aug 17 2021, 06:23 AM) *
I'm still wondering about scattered light.


I've dealt with scattered light far too often in my astrophotography and one thing that's always been true in my experience is that it is never isotropic across an image, but varies in ways that leave it visible, even if often hard to correct for.

JunoCam images of Jupiter are, in that respect, like a terrestrial telescope's experience of the Moon, which fills much/most of the FOV and can bleed a lot of scattered light outwards. The thing it, that produces ghosts in the blackness around the Moon, but usually has minimal effect in altering the image of the Moon itself because it is of a second order of brightness far below that of the primary image itself.

Perhaps an interesting test here would be Ganymede. Do the images of Ganymede (Io, Europa) taken before 2021 show a different color balance than the images from 2021? The lesser resolution should not be an issue here. And any geometry regarding sources of light outside the FOV would be very different for Ganymede pointing than for Jupiter pointing. Any change in the imaging hardware itself would affect all targets.
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QUOTE (JRehling @ Aug 17 2021, 06:18 AM) *
Perhaps an interesting test here would be Ganymede. Do the images of Ganymede (Io, Europa) taken before 2021 show a different color balance than the images from 2021?

Bjorn did this already also, upthread. I would prefer to do it for Europa, but don't have convenient tools to identify photobombing moons.


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- mcaplinger   Juno Perijove 35 - Jupiter   Jul 22 2021, 10:12 PM
- - Bjorn Jonsson   Is anyone else getting very large values that must...   Jul 24 2021, 12:35 AM
|- - Brian Swift   QUOTE (Bjorn Jonsson @ Jul 23 2021, 04:35...   Jul 24 2021, 05:55 AM
|- - mcaplinger   QUOTE (Bjorn Jonsson @ Jul 23 2021, 05:35...   Jul 24 2021, 08:28 PM
|- - Bjorn Jonsson   QUOTE (mcaplinger @ Jul 24 2021, 08:28 PM...   Jul 26 2021, 12:49 PM
|- - mcaplinger   QUOTE (Bjorn Jonsson @ Jul 26 2021, 04:49...   Jul 26 2021, 03:27 PM
||- - Bjorn Jonsson   Thanks to Brian and Mike for the information above...   Jul 26 2021, 10:51 PM
|- - Brian Swift   QUOTE (Bjorn Jonsson @ Jul 26 2021, 05:49...   Jul 26 2021, 05:56 PM
- - Brian Swift   So I wonder if this is a daytime lightning flash i...   Jul 24 2021, 06:03 AM
- - Bjorn Jonsson   This is a part of image PJ35_55 in approximately t...   Aug 2 2021, 12:15 AM
|- - Brian Swift   QUOTE (Bjorn Jonsson @ Aug 1 2021, 05:15 ...   Aug 2 2021, 07:08 AM
|- - Bjorn Jonsson   QUOTE (Brian Swift @ Aug 2 2021, 07:08 AM...   Aug 2 2021, 11:49 AM
- - Bjorn Jonsson   Here is an example of the color change I'm see...   Aug 4 2021, 03:20 PM
|- - mcaplinger   QUOTE (Bjorn Jonsson @ Aug 4 2021, 07:20 ...   Aug 5 2021, 08:21 PM
|- - Bjorn Jonsson   QUOTE (mcaplinger @ Aug 5 2021, 08:21 PM)...   Aug 7 2021, 02:38 AM
|- - Brian Swift   QUOTE (Bjorn Jonsson @ Aug 6 2021, 07:38 ...   Aug 7 2021, 04:56 AM
|- - Bjorn Jonsson   QUOTE (Brian Swift @ Aug 7 2021, 04:56 AM...   Aug 7 2021, 02:36 PM
|- - mcaplinger   QUOTE (Bjorn Jonsson @ Aug 7 2021, 07:36 ...   Aug 7 2021, 05:11 PM
|- - Brian Swift   QUOTE (Bjorn Jonsson @ Aug 7 2021, 07:36 ...   Aug 7 2021, 05:56 PM
|- - mcaplinger   QUOTE (Brian Swift @ Aug 7 2021, 10:56 AM...   Aug 7 2021, 06:11 PM
- - Floyd   If grey balanced, wouldn't that counter an inc...   Aug 7 2021, 08:01 PM
|- - mcaplinger   QUOTE (Floyd @ Aug 7 2021, 01:01 PM) If g...   Aug 7 2021, 08:13 PM
- - Bjorn Jonsson   I decided to process two Hubble images from calibr...   Aug 8 2021, 01:38 AM
- - Bjorn Jonsson   Here is a quick comparison of southern hemisphere ...   Aug 11 2021, 10:53 PM
|- - JRehling   Here are images taken by Christopher Go in May 201...   Aug 12 2021, 03:44 PM
- - Bill Harris   What does Hubble show of Jupiter? I realize tha...   Aug 13 2021, 08:18 AM
|- - JRehling   As an instrument, HST is wonderful and could deliv...   Aug 13 2021, 04:20 PM
|- - mcaplinger   QUOTE (JRehling @ Aug 13 2021, 08:20 AM) ...   Aug 13 2021, 05:07 PM
|- - JRehling   Indeed. My negligence in reading the thread only a...   Aug 13 2021, 10:40 PM
- - fredk   About the colour shift, I don't know the detai...   Aug 14 2021, 12:44 AM
|- - Bjorn Jonsson   QUOTE (fredk @ Aug 14 2021, 12:44 AM) Abo...   Aug 16 2021, 10:48 PM
|- - JRehling   Just a bit of a wild / educated (?) guess… but is ...   Aug 17 2021, 12:09 AM
- - Brian Swift   Not necessarily a good metric, but an easy one to ...   Aug 14 2021, 06:40 AM
- - Bjorn Jonsson   That's one possibility I think. Another possib...   Aug 17 2021, 12:24 AM
|- - mcaplinger   QUOTE (Bjorn Jonsson @ Aug 16 2021, 05:24...   Aug 17 2021, 03:06 AM
- - Bjorn Jonsson   Thanks. A crude way to estimate the radiation dose...   Aug 17 2021, 01:23 PM
|- - JRehling   QUOTE (Bjorn Jonsson @ Aug 17 2021, 06:23...   Aug 17 2021, 02:18 PM
||- - mcaplinger   QUOTE (JRehling @ Aug 17 2021, 06:18 AM) ...   Aug 17 2021, 03:28 PM
|- - mcaplinger   QUOTE (Bjorn Jonsson @ Aug 17 2021, 05:23...   Aug 17 2021, 03:26 PM
|- - Brian Swift   QUOTE (Bjorn Jonsson @ Aug 17 2021, 06:23...   Aug 18 2021, 06:14 AM
|- - JRehling   That's a really nice result, Brian. One big ta...   Aug 18 2021, 02:13 PM
||- - Brian Swift   QUOTE (JRehling @ Aug 18 2021, 07:13 AM) ...   Aug 18 2021, 11:02 PM
|- - Bjorn Jonsson   QUOTE (Brian Swift @ Aug 18 2021, 06:14 A...   Aug 18 2021, 11:28 PM
- - Bjorn Jonsson   Details from image PJ35_58 in approximately true c...   Sep 3 2021, 12:47 AM
- - tau   QUOTE (Bjorn Jonsson @ Jul 27 2021, 12:51...   Oct 9 2024, 10:05 AM
|- - StargazeInWonder   It's remarkable that the colors of Jupiter...   Oct 10 2024, 06:09 AM
- - fredk   Is PCA very different from a simple saturation boo...   Oct 9 2024, 02:40 PM
- - tau   QUOTE (fredk @ Oct 9 2024, 04:40 PM) Is P...   Oct 10 2024, 12:34 PM
- - fredk   I guess I should've said saturation boost plus...   Oct 10 2024, 02:27 PM
|- - StargazeInWonder   Interesting thought, Fredk – definitely something ...   Oct 10 2024, 05:10 PM
- - Floyd   It certainly is a function of 3 input values, but ...   Oct 10 2024, 05:46 PM
- - Brian Swift   Sigh. I shall miss the inspiration/motivation I ge...   Oct 13 2024, 05:12 AM


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