IPB
X   Site Message
(Message will auto close in 2 seconds)

Welcome Guest ( Log In | Register )

76 Pages V  « < 7 8 9 10 11 > »   
Closed TopicStart new topic
What's Up With Hayabusa? (fka Muses-c)
Comga
post Sep 6 2005, 04:01 AM
Post #121


Junior Member
**

Group: Members
Posts: 87
Joined: 19-June 05
Member No.: 415



QUOTE (dilo @ Sep 4 2005, 11:38 PM)
Last update

Edit: looking more carefully, mentioned pixels are in fact "macro" pixel, probably artifacts resulting from some "bad" rescaling/magnification from original image. Using press release pixel, asteroid size is about 20x10; based on declared image size, asteroid measures 2x1 arcminutes or 580x290m at 1000Km, as expected.
Herebelow I magnified x2 the starting images, processed them in order to better see artifacts and real shape, then compare it with Oostro model (scale is 3 arcsec/pixel in all images). Agreement is good, but we still cannot see surface detail...
[attachment=1367:attachment]
*



First, I agree, this is tremendously exciting stuff. A fourth space program has returned meaningful remote sensing from deep in the solar system. With a little luck, it will keep getting better and better. If only their press releases matched their accomplishments.

As for the image scale, I count 19 "pixels" in the image, give or take one. If we use the 600 meter value and the 1000 km range, the individual "pixels" are 7.0 arc seconds or 34 microradians. This is very close to one third of the 100 microradian IFOVs of the camera (20.6 arc seconds). This is in agreement with their appearance as being oversampled from multiple images. In this case, it looks like they are trying to get 3X resolution. To me it looks like a "good rescaling", not a "bad" one. Of course, it would be better to have from JAXA the actual manner in which these images were prepared.

The attached image is a composite of the two, blurred with an 0.75 pixel radius Gaussian kernel (a matter of taste after a few tries). Details are not yet visible, but there are great hints as to the shape.
Attached image(s)
Attached Image
 
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
dilo
post Sep 6 2005, 07:00 AM
Post #122


Senior Member
****

Group: Members
Posts: 2492
Joined: 15-January 05
From: center Italy
Member No.: 150



QUOTE (Comga @ Sep 6 2005, 04:01 AM)
This is in agreement with their appearance as being oversampled from multiple images.  In this case, it looks like they are trying to get 3X resolution.  To me it looks like a "good rescaling", not a "bad" one.  Of course, it would be better to have from JAXA the actual manner in which these images were prepared.
*

Maybe they tried to make oversampled super-resolution image, but original pixel pattern appear too evident and masks finer details...


--------------------
I always think before posting! - Marco -
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
Toma B
post Sep 7 2005, 07:52 AM
Post #123


Member
***

Group: Members
Posts: 648
Joined: 9-May 05
From: Subotica
Member No.: 384



Itokawa's rotation...

This site:
Rotation

Image:


smile.gif smile.gif smile.gif


--------------------
The scientist does not study nature because it is useful; he studies it because he delights in it, and he delights in it because it is beautiful.
Jules H. Poincare

My "Astrophotos" gallery on flickr...
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
maycm
post Sep 7 2005, 02:24 PM
Post #124


Junior Member
**

Group: Members
Posts: 90
Joined: 20-April 05
Member No.: 289



That is so cool! smile.gif
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
RNeuhaus
post Sep 7 2005, 02:56 PM
Post #125


Senior Member
****

Group: Members
Posts: 1636
Joined: 9-May 05
From: Lima, Peru
Member No.: 385



The asteroide Itokawa spins its axis every 12 hours. The spacecraft will have a hard time to approach it. The shape of the asteroide is not symmetrical and the Hayabusa's low speed ion engine to approach to the asteroide that cannot avoid it.

The rock might slam Hayabusa spacecraft. So it must land as close as possible at the rotation axis. Is that true or not? Otherwise Hayabusa can land anywhere. Will the Hayabusa spacecraft be able to thrust its ion engine in order to remain at the same position of Itokawa during its rotation? unsure.gif

Rodolfo
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
Guest_Myran_*
post Sep 7 2005, 03:10 PM
Post #126





Guests






In response to RNeuhaus: Hayabusa will have to approach at the axis of rotation, or rather near that at least. The ion engine was used for the cruise phase reaching the asteroid and are turned of fnow I think.
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
antoniseb
post Sep 7 2005, 04:00 PM
Post #127


Member
***

Group: Members
Posts: 235
Joined: 2-August 05
Member No.: 451



QUOTE (Myran @ Sep 7 2005, 10:10 AM)
In response to RNeuhaus: Hayabusa will have to approach at the axis of rotation, or rather near that at least.
*


If this rock is a few hundred meters long and spins once every twelve hours, I'm not sure that there's any special need to land near a rotational access point. How many meters per second will the surface be moving because of the spin?

BTW, the spacecraft haas chemical rockets for these manuevers.
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
djellison
post Sep 7 2005, 04:13 PM
Post #128


Founder
****

Group: Chairman
Posts: 14445
Joined: 8-February 04
Member No.: 1



Assuming an 800m sphere at 12hrs rotation ( which is probably ballpark-ish-right )

Circum= 2500 metres, so it's rotating at about 200 metres per hour - 3 1/3 per minute - - 5.5 cm / second

Doug
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
tty
post Sep 7 2005, 05:06 PM
Post #129


Member
***

Group: Members
Posts: 688
Joined: 20-April 05
From: Sweden
Member No.: 273



QUOTE (djellison @ Sep 7 2005, 06:13 PM)
Assuming an 800m sphere at 12hrs rotation ( which is probably ballpark-ish-right )

Circum= 2500 metres, so it's rotating at about 200 metres per hour - 3 1/3 per minute - - 5.5 cm / second

Doug
*



Putting Hayabusa in the way to be "swept up" may actually be a rather good way of effecting a soft landing! laugh.gif

tty
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
ElkGroveDan
post Sep 7 2005, 05:26 PM
Post #130


Senior Member
****

Group: Admin
Posts: 4763
Joined: 15-March 05
From: Glendale, AZ
Member No.: 197



Call me crazy, but the longer I watch this, the more I get the feeling that this looks like a "contact binary" body. Those lobes seem to jut off at a sharp angle -- maybe even three bodies in contact.


--------------------
If Occam had heard my theory, things would be very different now.
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
antoniseb
post Sep 7 2005, 05:41 PM
Post #131


Member
***

Group: Members
Posts: 235
Joined: 2-August 05
Member No.: 451



QUOTE (ElkGroveDan @ Sep 7 2005, 12:26 PM)
the longer I watch this, the more I get the feeling that this looks like a "contact binary" body.
*

Maybe. To me, the curved shape when seen the long way suggests one big piece. In any case, the craft should be just about on top of the asteroid now, and we'll probably get a good close image soon, and have more solid hints. Either way will be interesting.
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
djellison
post Sep 7 2005, 06:05 PM
Post #132


Founder
****

Group: Chairman
Posts: 14445
Joined: 8-February 04
Member No.: 1



Reminds me of a baby Eros, or even a bit like Comet Borrelly
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
Toma B
post Sep 8 2005, 07:54 AM
Post #133


Member
***

Group: Members
Posts: 648
Joined: 9-May 05
From: Subotica
Member No.: 384



Attached Image
smile.gif smile.gif smile.gif


--------------------
The scientist does not study nature because it is useful; he studies it because he delights in it, and he delights in it because it is beautiful.
Jules H. Poincare

My "Astrophotos" gallery on flickr...
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
SFJCody
post Sep 8 2005, 08:13 AM
Post #134


Member
***

Group: Members
Posts: 813
Joined: 8-February 04
From: Arabia Terra
Member No.: 12



QUOTE (djellison @ Sep 7 2005, 06:05 PM)
Reminds me of a baby Eros
*


They're both S-class, so it's possible... biggrin.gif
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
djellison
post Sep 8 2005, 08:42 AM
Post #135


Founder
****

Group: Chairman
Posts: 14445
Joined: 8-February 04
Member No.: 1



Wow - it REALLY does...just 10 x smaller

http://near.jhuapl.edu/iod/20000121/index.html

Doug
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post

76 Pages V  « < 7 8 9 10 11 > » 
Closed TopicStart new topic

 



RSS Lo-Fi Version Time is now: 26th October 2024 - 04:56 PM
RULES AND GUIDELINES
Please read the Forum Rules and Guidelines before posting.

IMAGE COPYRIGHT
Images posted on UnmannedSpaceflight.com may be copyrighted. Do not reproduce without permission. Read here for further information on space images and copyright.

OPINIONS AND MODERATION
Opinions expressed on UnmannedSpaceflight.com are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily reflect the opinions of UnmannedSpaceflight.com or The Planetary Society. The all-volunteer UnmannedSpaceflight.com moderation team is wholly independent of The Planetary Society. The Planetary Society has no influence over decisions made by the UnmannedSpaceflight.com moderators.
SUPPORT THE FORUM
Unmannedspaceflight.com is funded by the Planetary Society. Please consider supporting our work and many other projects by donating to the Society or becoming a member.