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What's Up With Hayabusa? (fka Muses-c) |
Nov 10 2005, 08:36 PM
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Member ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 147 Joined: 30-June 05 From: Bristol, UK Member No.: 423 |
Google translation says: "Figure 4: Are discharged the target marker and the I To matte"
Babelfish says: "Figure 4: Target marker and イトカワ which are discharged" "I To Matte" - Minerva??? looks like both have been "discharged" Nick |
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Nov 10 2005, 08:45 PM
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Senior Member ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 1636 Joined: 9-May 05 From: Lima, Peru Member No.: 385 |
That document does not specify whether that the target marker has already landed on Itokawa or it has missed the aim by lossing it to the space. It is still unclear.
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Nov 10 2005, 08:53 PM
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![]() Senior Member ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 2492 Joined: 15-January 05 From: center Italy Member No.: 150 |
QUOTE (odave @ Nov 10 2005, 06:59 PM) Is the first image from the narrow angle camera, and the second is from the wide angle navigation camera? That may explain the difference... I suspect too they missed Itokawa -------------------- I always think before posting! - Marco -
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Nov 10 2005, 09:00 PM
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Member ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 147 Joined: 30-June 05 From: Bristol, UK Member No.: 423 |
"Furthermore, the target marker which is separated with test of these 9 days is not the signature entering. In addition, throwing the same marker, on the asteroid surface. (Figure 4)"
"is not the signature entering" Does that mean that the bright point is just a background star and not the target marker? I guess we will just have to be patient and wait for someone to translate it properly. Nick |
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Nov 10 2005, 09:13 PM
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![]() Interplanetary Dumpster Diver ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Admin Posts: 4405 Joined: 17-February 04 From: Powell, TN Member No.: 33 |
QUOTE (dilo @ Nov 10 2005, 08:53 PM) I suspect too they missed Itokawa Depends...First, we don't know what order those pictures were taken in. Also, there is the possibility that Hayabusa took off after leaving it to gently float to the surface, so its angle is very different in the wider shot. -------------------- |
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Nov 10 2005, 09:17 PM
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Solar System Cartographer ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 10255 Joined: 5-April 05 From: Canada Member No.: 227 |
Also, how many targets does Hayabusa carry? There were to be up to three sampling attempts, now only two. There may be a spare which they dropped during this practice descent without affecting future plans.
Phil -------------------- ... because the Solar System ain't gonna map itself.
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Nov 10 2005, 09:27 PM
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Founder ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Chairman Posts: 14445 Joined: 8-February 04 Member No.: 1 |
These images are amazing
Not sure what's going on with that target marker though. I LOVE Google Jap->Eng Beta.. " Red-light district length with respect to the right in the left figure 10m." Doug |
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Nov 10 2005, 10:36 PM
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Member ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 624 Joined: 10-August 05 Member No.: 460 |
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Nov 10 2005, 11:26 PM
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![]() Interplanetary Dumpster Diver ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Admin Posts: 4405 Joined: 17-February 04 From: Powell, TN Member No.: 33 |
QUOTE (Phil Stooke @ Nov 10 2005, 09:17 PM) Also, how many targets does Hayabusa carry? There were to be up to three sampling attempts, now only two. There may be a spare which they dropped during this practice descent without affecting future plans. Phil It has two, I think. But it can potentially sample without one. -------------------- |
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Nov 11 2005, 12:22 AM
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![]() Senior Member ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Moderator Posts: 2262 Joined: 9-February 04 From: Melbourne - Oz Member No.: 16 |
QUOTE (Ames @ Nov 11 2005, 08:00 AM) "Furthermore, the target marker which is separated with test of these 9 days is not the signature entering. In addition, throwing the same marker, on the asteroid surface. (Figure 4)" "is not the signature entering" Does that mean that the bright point is just a background star and not the target marker? I guess we will just have to be patient and wait for someone to translate it properly. Nick Maybe this means it is not the target marker with the aluminum name (signature That shadow picture by the way James -------------------- |
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Nov 11 2005, 12:46 AM
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![]() Senior Member ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 1281 Joined: 18-December 04 From: San Diego, CA Member No.: 124 |
That shadow pic is truly awesome - nice Heiligenschein too...
Though it appears that someone set us up the bomb with that translation. -------------------- Lyford Rome
"Zis is not nuts, zis is super-nuts!" Mathematician Richard Courant on viewing an Orion test |
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Nov 11 2005, 01:29 AM
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Solar System Cartographer ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 10255 Joined: 5-April 05 From: Canada Member No.: 227 |
I have been browsing through Japanese online news sites, mainly from the bigger english-language newspaper websites. I can't find any mention of Hayabusa. Nothing! Maybe that will change if Minerva gets to the surface... but nothing!! I mean... nothing. I can't believe it. At first I thought I understood - Japan has had few successes in planetary exploration, you could argue this is the first success (after Suisei, long ago), so they would not want to draw attention to what might be an embarassing failure. But Hayabusa has already gone far beyond that.
Do we have any Japanese members? Any comments about this situation? Phil -------------------- ... because the Solar System ain't gonna map itself.
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Nov 11 2005, 01:32 AM
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![]() Member ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 105 Joined: 13-July 05 From: The Hague, NL Member No.: 434 |
I am fortunate to have a Japanese colleague at work and have asked him for a summary of the latest Japanese news which was referred to earlier. Here is his reply:
The rehearsal carried out on the 9th released the marker but not towards Itokawa. It was to test the release as well as the tracking mechanism, which was successfully confirmed. The finding from the approach (70m!) concluded that the second nominated landing site 'Uhmera' was too rocky for landing. Another rehearsal will be carried out on the 12th, where Hayabusa will release the 'Minerva' at the first nominated landing site of 'Muses Sea'. On the 19th, the Hayabusa will make its first landing and the second on the 25th. Anyway, you have now made me interested in this journey of Hayabusa! Mizo Unquote. More to follow in the coming days I hope! Peter |
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Nov 11 2005, 03:40 AM
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Senior Member ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 1636 Joined: 9-May 05 From: Lima, Peru Member No.: 385 |
That means that the first marker was through away to space as shown the two previous pictures as an excersice. It is funny for me since I would practice it by dropping it on Itokawa instead to the space.
This action might mean that the Hayabusa team won't like to disturb the Itokawa with a excercise marker. That might lead confussion to the Hayabusa's radar if there is another in a close place. Rodolfo |
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Nov 11 2005, 03:42 AM
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![]() Senior Member ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Moderator Posts: 2262 Joined: 9-February 04 From: Melbourne - Oz Member No.: 16 |
QUOTE (Harder @ Nov 11 2005, 12:32 PM) I am fortunate to have a Japanese colleague at work and have asked him for a summary of the latest Japanese news which was referred to earlier. Here is his reply: The rehearsal carried out on the 9th released the marker but not towards Itokawa. It was to test the release as well as the tracking mechanism, which was successfully confirmed. The finding from the approach (70m!) concluded that the second nominated landing site 'Uhmera' was too rocky for landing. Another rehearsal will be carried out on the 12th, where Hayabusa will release the 'Minerva' at the first nominated landing site of 'Muses Sea'. On the 19th, the Hayabusa will make its first landing and the second on the 25th. Anyway, you have now made me interested in this journey of Hayabusa! Mizo Unquote. More to follow in the coming days I hope! Peter Thanks, good to have the article translated by a real person! So the target marker was purposely not sent to land on Itokawa, just to test the release! I guess as the landing site was deemed to rocky there was no need to, but still, I'm surprised to say the least! And now were having three rehearsals as well! What a suprising day! James -------------------- |
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