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mcaplinger
post Nov 29 2023, 09:24 PM
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Some of the images have been posted on missionjuno.

You will immediately notice that there is something weird about them. Yes, we know about this, and I'll say more about it when I can. In the meantime, anything people can do to process them would be appreciated. I've had some success using https://github.com/chunglabmit/pystripe


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post Dec 3 2023, 01:01 AM
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Mostly in response to Gerald.

I'm afield of my field, which is digital CMOS-- and this isn't even CMOS, it's a CCD AFAICT, like your 2nd paper-- but I did seem to gather that this was a really bad transient that affected pretty much all pixels, like accumulating charge in the substrate... that VSUB net on the chip's datasheet? I say "like" that because I know nothing about how the chip functions, even after looking at the data sheet. I'm just too far out of understanding the charge accumulation/xfer stuff to speculate on where the charge accumulates when it gets zapped. I have some small and partial understanding of that in CMOS, but not even CMOS imaging chips.

But the question I'm begging is... is this a presumed transient, so does hitting one of the various reset buttons in the system clear it, and what's the TAT? No answers required, just sharing my thoughts. Which are: I didn't jump to the conclusion that there's nonvolatile damage which must be annealed. I did jump to the conclusion that the (presumed) transient affected the whole system, not just some pixels. Could be wrong on all accounts. So from a system perspective, I thought, they'd be considering whether they can do curative cycles between imaging cycles. If there's time, and if it's worth the time.
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post Dec 3 2023, 01:36 AM
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QUOTE (stevesliva @ Dec 2 2023, 05:01 PM) *
So from a system perspective, I thought, they'd be considering whether they can do curative cycles between imaging cycles.

So you're suggesting, basically, that we turn it off and back on again? Always reasonable tech support advice.

Unfortunately, whether that would help or not (and that's not clear), we can't do it for fear it will never start up again, as almost happened at PJ48. https://www.nasa.gov/missions/juno/nasas-ju...yby-of-jupiter/

If the images became completely unusable, we'll likely try this because there wouldn't be anything left to lose.

[added: To be clear, we don't think this is a transient, but we can't rule it out and in the abstract your suggestion is perfectly reasonable.]


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- mcaplinger   Juno Perijove 56   Nov 29 2023, 09:24 PM
- - Kevin Gill   QUOTE (mcaplinger @ Nov 29 2023, 05:24 PM...   Nov 29 2023, 09:35 PM
- - Antdoghalo   The camera color really took a beating with this e...   Nov 30 2023, 02:16 AM
- - mcaplinger   From https://www.missionjuno.swri.edu/junocam/proc...   Nov 30 2023, 08:29 PM
|- - stevesliva   QUOTE (mcaplinger @ Nov 30 2023, 03:29 PM...   Nov 30 2023, 09:34 PM
|- - mcaplinger   QUOTE (stevesliva @ Nov 30 2023, 01:34 PM...   Nov 30 2023, 09:54 PM
- - Explorer1   Interesting that it's such a major change in o...   Nov 30 2023, 09:08 PM
|- - volcanopele   QUOTE (Explorer1 @ Nov 30 2023, 02:08 PM)...   Nov 30 2023, 10:41 PM
- - Antdoghalo   As much as I'd like to see perhaps a social me...   Dec 1 2023, 07:42 PM
|- - mcaplinger   QUOTE (Antdoghalo @ Dec 1 2023, 11:42 AM)...   Dec 1 2023, 08:22 PM
|- - Gerald   QUOTE (mcaplinger @ Dec 1 2023, 10:22 PM)...   Dec 2 2023, 06:12 AM
|- - mcaplinger   QUOTE (Gerald @ Dec 1 2023, 10:12 PM) The...   Dec 2 2023, 03:17 PM
- - mcaplinger   The approach images have been posted so one can wa...   Dec 1 2023, 08:05 PM
- - Kevin Gill   Single GRS frame from the approach movie.   Dec 1 2023, 08:42 PM
- - Kevin Gill   And all the RGB frames from the approach movie. Th...   Dec 1 2023, 08:47 PM
- - Gerald   Some of my early thoughts about the striping artef...   Dec 2 2023, 02:39 AM
- - stevesliva   Mostly in response to Gerald. I'm afield of m...   Dec 3 2023, 01:01 AM
|- - mcaplinger   QUOTE (stevesliva @ Dec 2 2023, 05:01 PM)...   Dec 3 2023, 01:36 AM
- - Brian Swift   Posted following at https://www.missionjuno.swri.e...   Dec 4 2023, 07:37 AM
|- - mcaplinger   QUOTE (Brian Swift @ Dec 3 2023, 11:37 PM...   Dec 4 2023, 03:50 PM
|- - Brian Swift   QUOTE (mcaplinger @ Dec 4 2023, 07:50 AM)...   Dec 5 2023, 04:47 AM
|- - mcaplinger   QUOTE (Brian Swift @ Dec 4 2023, 08:47 PM...   Dec 5 2023, 05:16 AM
- - Bjorn Jonsson   Destriping the images seems to be trivial. I'v...   Dec 4 2023, 08:42 PM
|- - mcaplinger   QUOTE (Bjorn Jonsson @ Dec 4 2023, 12:42 ...   Dec 4 2023, 09:15 PM
- - siravan   Is there any possibility of changing the exposure ...   Dec 5 2023, 03:29 AM
|- - mcaplinger   QUOTE (siravan @ Dec 4 2023, 07:29 PM) Is...   Dec 5 2023, 03:38 AM
|- - Brian Swift   QUOTE (mcaplinger @ Dec 4 2023, 07:38 PM)...   Dec 5 2023, 07:10 AM
|- - mcaplinger   QUOTE (Brian Swift @ Dec 4 2023, 11:10 PM...   Dec 5 2023, 03:19 PM
- - Bjorn Jonsson   I have been making nice progress with the PJ56 ima...   Dec 10 2023, 01:24 AM
|- - mcaplinger   QUOTE (Bjorn Jonsson @ Dec 9 2023, 05:24 ...   Dec 16 2023, 05:47 PM
|- - Brian Swift   QUOTE (mcaplinger @ Dec 16 2023, 09:47 AM...   Dec 17 2023, 05:22 PM
|- - mcaplinger   QUOTE (Brian Swift @ Dec 17 2023, 09:22 A...   Dec 17 2023, 06:10 PM
- - Bjorn Jonsson   Image PJ56_132: The left image is an approximat...   Dec 15 2023, 11:45 PM
|- - StargazeInWonder   Beautiful images, despite the upstream glitches. I...   Dec 17 2023, 05:41 AM
- - Bjorn Jonsson   The PJ56 images are good enough that I wouldn...   Dec 18 2023, 01:28 AM
|- - mcaplinger   QUOTE (Bjorn Jonsson @ Dec 17 2023, 05:28...   Dec 18 2023, 02:32 AM
|- - StargazeInWonder   It's a somewhat unknowable unknown, but the in...   Dec 18 2023, 04:47 AM
- - volcanopele   Yeah, Io's spectrum has a significant break ar...   Dec 18 2023, 03:50 PM
- - Brian Swift   My current thought is that when taking images that...   Dec 18 2023, 06:11 PM
|- - mcaplinger   QUOTE (Brian Swift @ Dec 18 2023, 10:11 A...   Dec 18 2023, 11:51 PM
|- - StargazeInWonder   I just took Bjorn's approximately true color p...   Dec 19 2023, 02:54 AM
- - volcanopele   tried that out with one of the PJ55 images and it ...   Dec 20 2023, 05:10 PM
- - Bjorn Jonsson   Creating synthetic images using a linear combinati...   Dec 23 2023, 12:29 AM


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