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Erebus/victoria Entry & Exploration, Would it be worth it?
odave
post Apr 19 2005, 04:57 PM
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Last year, MER team decided to let Oppy go into Endurance because the value of the potential science gain outweighed the risks to the rover at that time. I remember Steve Squyres saying something like...if Oppy can't get back out, it would be like getting locked in a candy store.

I wonder if the same would be true when we get to Erebus and Victoria. If these craters show something significantly different than we've already seen, and there's a feasible entry/exit route, would they still risk sending Oppy in?

If it were me, given the 18 month extended mission and the rover showing its age more and more, any target in Erebus or Victora would need to be very juicy. Then again, there's no guarantee that Oppy will live for the entire extension.

Hmmm...depending on what we find when we get there, it could be a hard decision for the team to make!


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Phil Stooke
post May 13 2005, 03:46 AM
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Nice work, dilo! The sub-pixel offsets are produced by moving the camera slightly away from the target and back to it again. The pointing is good but not perfect so it never comes back exactly to where it was, not to within, say, a tenth of a pixel which might be truly unnoticeable.

I had an earlier image which showed the view ahead to Erebus with that same type of vertical exaggeration - though there still is not much to see until we get over a small local rise in the ground. But I think the view will soon get a lot more interesting.

Incidentally, Steve Squyres was quoted a few weeks ago as saying that Opportunity is already in the etched terrain. But I think it makes more sense to think of this area with the larger drifts as a transitional terrain. The real etched material is going to look different again, more like one Vostok crater after another on a fairly dramatic scale. Or so I think. I'll eat a Mars Bar if I'm wrong. (and also if I'm right).

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QUOTE (Phil Stooke @ May 12 2005, 10:46 PM)
Incidentally, Steve Squyres was quoted a few weeks ago as saying that Opportunity is already in the etched terrain.  But I think it makes more sense to think of this area with the larger drifts as a transitional terrain.  The real etched material is going to look different again, more like one Vostok crater after another on a fairly dramatic scale.  Or so I think.  I'll eat a Mars Bar if I'm wrong.  (and also if I'm right).

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I think you're exactly right, Phil. Though the exposed, eroded evaporite in the actual etched terrain is, I think, not crater-rim excavations but ridges in the ejecta blanket created by the ancient crater cluster of which Erebus and Terra Nova are a part...

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- odave   Erebus/victoria Entry & Exploration   Apr 19 2005, 04:57 PM
- - chris   Given the current evidence, I think the current pe...   Apr 28 2005, 02:24 PM
- - CosmicRocker   Steve's April 27th update still sounds optimis...   Apr 28 2005, 04:59 PM
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|- - chuckyvt   QUOTE (odave @ Apr 28 2005, 01:27 PM)QUOTE (C...   Apr 28 2005, 06:11 PM
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- - alan   QUOTE (Tman @ Apr 28 2005, 08:54 AM)The left ...   Apr 28 2005, 07:45 PM
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- - djellison   I can well understand why he wouldnt actively part...   Apr 28 2005, 08:30 PM
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- - Pando   I think the simplest explanation to that is that b...   Apr 29 2005, 05:25 AM
- - Pando   (oh heck, bed can wait) What I find interesting a...   Apr 29 2005, 05:42 AM
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- - CosmicRocker   Earlier, I mentioned that it appeared Opportunity ...   Apr 29 2005, 05:55 AM
|- - jamescanvin   QUOTE (CosmicRocker @ Apr 29 2005, 03:55 PM)E...   Apr 29 2005, 06:33 AM
- - Bill Harris   Good questions and observations. I've been n...   Apr 29 2005, 08:40 AM
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- - Gray   We may have been eager to get to Erebrus and Victo...   Apr 29 2005, 04:52 PM
|- - tty   QUOTE (Gray @ Apr 29 2005, 06:52 PM)We may ha...   Apr 29 2005, 05:26 PM
|- - kholmar   QUOTE (tty @ Apr 29 2005, 12:26 PM)Incidental...   May 9 2005, 07:22 AM
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|- - dilo   On Sol453, Panoramic camera was used to take a seq...   May 13 2005, 03:14 AM
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