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Io Compared To Titan
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post Apr 21 2005, 01:36 AM
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My first post a few months ago received no reply. I highly suspect that the "craters" that have been imaged on Titan are most likely volcanic calderas and very, very, active. I have found a photo taken from Gallileo showing similar serpentine channels that are found on Io that are as well found on Titan (only these are lava channels on Io):

http://www.spaceref.com/news/viewpr.html?pid=6859

Curious to know what you all think???

I think that Titan might surprisingly be a very geologically active world. If so, what would be creating the internal heat???
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post Apr 21 2005, 03:45 AM
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I'm not sure if Titan is active or not, but couldn't it be tugged around by Saturn's gravity similarly to how Io is tugged around by Jupiter's?
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post Apr 21 2005, 07:24 AM
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QUOTE (mike @ Apr 20 2005, 10:45 PM)
I'm not sure if Titan is active or not, but couldn't it be tugged around by Saturn's gravity similarly to how Io is tugged around by Jupiter's?
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Io isn't kept mostly molten by Jupiter's gravity. That honor goes to the tides from the other three large Jovian moons, with Europa and Ganymede providing most of the "flex" that heats Io.

While there are a lot of objects in the Saturn system, there aren't any other moons nearly as large as Titan, so there aren't the massive tides that heat Io so much (and that probably also keep Europa's subsurface ocean liquid).

Titan is overall *very* cold, but cryovolcanism could be happening. So, we very well may be seeing calderas and active volcanism. It's just very *cold* volcanism.

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post Apr 27 2005, 07:40 PM
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Actually, Bruce Bills and Francis Nimmo have speculated that the very significant and puzzling eccentricity of Titan's orbit -- several percent; much higher than Io's -- is being maintained by resonant gravitational tuggings which come in Titan's case not from Saturn's other moons, but from Jupiter itself during its periodic close encounters with Saturn. (This is supposedly happening to Titan -- rather than to Saturn's other moons -- because it's at just the right distance from Saturn for the rate at which the long axis of its elliptical orbit precesses around the planet to be roughly in sync with Jupiter's flybys of Saturn.)
http://www.lpi.usra.edu/meetings/lpsc2004/pdf/1341.pdf

They haven't worked out all the details of this theory yet, but it seems to me to fit the now-known facts better than any other so far. This high orbital eccentricity of Titan has worried scientists for decades. The only alternative theories for it they've been able to develop are (1) that Titan recently got walloped by a really gigantic impact that knocked its orbit askew (which I think Cassini's surface observations have now ruled out); or (2) that Titan is so internally rigid that it undergoes very little surface flexing despite the considerable changes in the force of Saturn's gravity on it (which was getting hard to justify geologically even before the new evidence that Titan has a substantial subsurface liquid layer).

If Bills and Nimmo are right, then Titan really is a strange, cryogenic analog of Io -- but with its volcanoes being tidally driven by Jupiter itself rather than by Europa and Ganymede. (Of course, we already know -- thanks to Huygens -- that Titan is a strange, cryogenic analog of the southwest American desert, complete with flash floods, arroyos and playas.)

I find myself wondering whether similar periodic interactions with Jupiter, changing over geologic time as Saturn's moons slowly move outwards from the planet, might also be responsible for such things as Enceladus' apparent periodic bouts of strong tidal heating (rather than Dione being responsible for these), the Keck Telescope's observations suggesting that Tethys may also have some geyser activity on it spewing particles into the E Ring (albeit currently weaker than Enceladus' activity), and maybe even the sizable eccentricity of Mimas' orbit, which seems to me as odd as that of Titan's orbit. (Is it possible that Mimas has only recently been forced into that degree of orbital eccentricity for the first time, and hasn't yet undergone enough tidal heating to start producing surface geological activity and geysers of its own?)
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post Apr 27 2005, 10:29 PM
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QUOTE (BruceMoomaw @ Apr 27 2005, 12:40 PM)
Actually, Bruce Bills and Francis Nimmo have speculated that the very significant and puzzling eccentricity of Titan's orbit -- several percent; much higher than Io's -- is being maintained by resonant gravitational tuggings which come in Titan's case not from Saturn's other moons, but from Jupiter itself during its periodic close encounters with Saturn.  (This is supposedly happening to Titan -- rather than to Saturn's other moons -- because it's at just the right distance from Saturn for the rate at which the long axis of its elliptical orbit precesses around the planet to be roughly in sync with Jupiter's flybys of Saturn.)
http://www.lpi.usra.edu/meetings/lpsc2004/pdf/1341.pdf

They haven't worked out all the details of this theory yet, but it seems to me to fit the now-known facts better than any other so far.  This high orbital eccentricity of Titan has worried scientists for decades.  The only alternative theories for it they've been able to develop are (1) that Titan recently got walloped by a really gigantic impact that knocked its orbit askew (which I think Cassini's surface observations have now ruled out);  or (2) that Titan is so internally rigid that it undergoes very little surface flexing despite the considerable changes in the force of Saturn's gravity on it (which was getting hard to justify geologically even before the new evidence that Titan has a substantial subsurface liquid layer).   

If Bills and Nimmo are right, then Titan really is a strange, cryogenic analog of Io -- but with its volcanoes being tidally driven by Jupiter itself rather than by Europa and Ganymede.  (Of course, we already know -- thanks to Huygens -- that Titan is a strange, cryogenic analog of the southwest American desert, complete with flash floods, arroyos and playas.) 
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Again, based on what I heard second hand from people who listened to the talk by Bills and Nimmo, their theory doesn't seem to pan out. Even if Jupiter were acting on Titan, the effects would be too small to produce the necessary eccentricity or produce the level of activity that has been infered.


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