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Apr 21 2005, 08:07 PM
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Have any of the serious experts on this board ever sorted out any 1960s images? I'm thinking of the Surveyor panoramas (in the 60s they did it with photos pasted onto the inside of half-spheres!) and the way that the exposure dropped off toward one corner, making a horrible patchwork effect. Or them lines and spots on the Lunar Orbiter images...
Most of the NASA mission data should be available as digital source material, and thus could be manipulated, though I suspect that getting anything 'real' from Soviet missions would be a bit of a chase! Any thoughts? -------------------- Remember: Time Flies like the wind - but Fruit Flies like bananas!
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Apr 24 2005, 12:44 AM
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Space History Geek Time:
(1) Phil Stooke has got me -- I wasn't aware that this was the main job of the Surveyor descent cameras. (Phil, have you ever considered the possibility of trying to locate the Surveyor 4 landing site, and thus finally laying to absolute rest the faint chance that it just might have suffered a transmitter failure on the way down and thus soft-landed intact?) (2) According to Aviation Week (and, I believe, several other publications before Surveyor 1's launch), the decision had been reached not to swing out the high-gain antenna for descent photos even before that omni-antenna boom got temporarily stuck on Surveyor 1. (Even at age 12, I was following the space program in obsessive detail back then, as I already had been for 18 months -- I stayed up all night for the first time in my life to watch the Surveyor 1 landing and the first photos from it. That very first photo -- fuzzy though it was -- did clearly show one of the footads sitting intact on the surface, and just a short time later they started getting a parade of other photos in the preliminary 200-line mode that were more legible, including a few nice horizon shots. My comments 10 years later, when the TV networks -- at least on the Pacific coast -- couldn't be troubled to cover the Viking 1 landing live, are unprintable.) (3) It was Surveyors 8 through 10 that would have had two survey cameras for stereo shots -- along with the alpha-scatter spectrometer, a better-instrumented version of the surface sampler arm for soil mechanics, a one-axis seismometer, a meteoroid ejecta detector, a package of gyros and accelerometers as a "touchdown dynamics experiment" to precisely monitor the landing shock for more soil mechanics data, and a bunch of heaters to allow the craft to be certain of surviving the lunar night. Originally, in fact, these "Block 2 Surveyors" were supposed to be #5 through 7. But due to NASA's growing need to economize (largely due to Vietnam), plus the near-certain feeling that all the early Surveyors would fail (everyone had traumatic memories of the earlier and easier Ranger program), in early 1965 those three Surveyors were switched to become more of the simple "Block 1" variety -- with the Block 2 missions becoming #8 through 10, whose funding was always provisional. And then in December 1965 those three provisional Surveyors were cancelled. When #1 shocked everybody -- including yours truly -- by succeeding, JPL was caught flat-footed and hastily had to try and devise a way to add more science instruments after all. The surface sampler and alpha spectrometer were picked as the most valuable possible substitutes for the descent camera. (By the way, NASA was seriously considering the "bunny hop" as early as Surveyor 2; a whole sequence of unfortunate events in the Lemony Snicket tradition delayed it until #6.) |
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Bob Shaw Ranger, Surveyor, Luna, Luna Orbiter Apr 21 2005, 08:07 PM
Phil Stooke What a coincidence that you should ask this questi... Apr 21 2005, 08:43 PM
Bob Shaw Phil:
Terrific!
I don't suppose there ar... Apr 21 2005, 08:53 PM
dvandorn QUOTE (Bob Shaw @ Apr 21 2005, 03:53 PM)Phil:... Apr 22 2005, 09:07 AM
Phil Stooke I will post some Surveyor stuff when I have time. ... Apr 22 2005, 03:50 PM
Bob Shaw Phil:
Very, very interesting - and the 'work ... Apr 22 2005, 07:28 PM
Phil Stooke No! I have to leave something for other folks... Apr 22 2005, 08:27 PM
ilbasso Absolutely brilliant work, Phil! I'll be ... Apr 22 2005, 09:45 PM
4th rock from the sun Very good Phil!!!
Can you tell us the... Apr 22 2005, 11:35 PM
Phil Stooke The Surveyor pans are 360 wide, though a hardware ... Apr 23 2005, 01:38 PM
Phil Stooke The Surveyor pans are 360 wide, though a hardware ... Apr 23 2005, 01:40 PM
BruceMoomaw As I understand it, another factor behind not usin... Apr 23 2005, 03:25 PM
Phil Stooke Bruce, the main purpose of the descent camera, of ... Apr 23 2005, 04:08 PM
ilbasso As for fascinating and beautiful vistas, I also ha... Apr 23 2005, 07:28 PM
edstrick Surveyor 1 was not expected to land. The prefligh... Apr 23 2005, 08:50 PM
Bob Shaw It was the Surveyor I landing which hooked me for ... Apr 23 2005, 09:10 PM
tedstryk I imagine some 3-D data could be reconstructed for... Apr 24 2005, 12:17 AM
dvandorn QUOTE (BruceMoomaw @ Apr 23 2005, 07:44 PM)(3... Apr 24 2005, 06:57 AM
Phil Stooke It would not be possible to locate Surveyor 4 with... Apr 24 2005, 03:36 AM
edstrick Good additional info there. I'm pretty sure I... Apr 24 2005, 08:07 AM
gndonald QUOTE (edstrick @ Apr 24 2005, 04:07 PM) ... Nov 5 2006, 09:04 AM
BruceMoomaw Yep -- I first ran across that series in 1971 at t... Apr 24 2005, 09:37 AM
edstrick Interesting!....
The Surveyor cameras were an... Apr 24 2005, 09:45 AM
BruceMoomaw QUOTE (edstrick @ Apr 24 2005, 08:07 AM)Good ... Apr 24 2005, 09:59 AM
BruceMoomaw By the way, that JPL series on their projects (sev... Apr 24 2005, 10:01 AM
edstrick Ah!... an article from Aviation "Leak... Apr 24 2005, 11:07 AM
PhilHorzempa [size=2]
To continue this discussion of Sur... Apr 24 2006, 09:05 PM
Bob Shaw Another Phil:
Yes; that's how the samples wer... Apr 24 2006, 09:42 PM
BruceMoomaw I've got quite a bit more in the way of detail... Apr 24 2006, 10:52 PM
edstrick One other distinction I remember reading about the... Apr 25 2006, 05:15 AM
Bob Shaw Bruce:
Last year you mentioned, more or less in p... Apr 25 2006, 03:16 PM
BruceMoomaw I didn't know that. It is a fact, though, tha... Apr 25 2006, 05:54 AM
edstrick I could be wrong on that.. I'm working from fa... Apr 25 2006, 10:47 AM
BruceMoomaw It was an Aviation Week issue all the way back fro... Apr 25 2006, 09:42 PM
Bob Shaw Bruce:
Thanks! Sometime soon I hope to have m... Apr 25 2006, 10:03 PM
BruceMoomaw While I'm at the library (whenever I do finall... Apr 25 2006, 10:54 PM
PhilHorzempa I want to comment on a memo that I saw in the NASA... May 1 2006, 03:08 AM
dvandorn Well... all I can tell you is that I've proba... May 1 2006, 04:09 AM
BruceMoomaw Gadfry! That's a completely new one on me... May 1 2006, 08:52 AM
ljk4-1 For those of you who may be in the Washington, D.C... May 1 2006, 02:35 PM
PhilHorzempa Concerning the plan for the LMSS, I may have a pho... May 1 2006, 08:52 PM
PhilCo126 Spacecraftfilms.com is planning a DVD-set of ... May 4 2006, 08:20 AM
ljk4-1 There was an earlier request for an image of the o... May 19 2006, 04:27 PM
BruceMoomaw That drawing of Surveyor in a 1962 issue of ... May 20 2006, 04:16 PM
PhilHorzempa I've been thinking lately that it would be nea... May 26 2006, 03:43 AM
ljk4-1 Fortieth anniversary time of the launch and landin... Jun 1 2006, 04:22 AM
ljk4-1 Mike Dinn, who in 1966 worked on the Surveyor 1 mi... Jun 1 2006, 01:44 PM
Bob Shaw QUOTE (ljk4-1 @ Jun 1 2006, 02:44 PM... Jun 1 2006, 01:52 PM
edstrick Block 4 was to include more block 2 type retro-roc... Nov 6 2006, 10:51 AM
gndonald QUOTE (edstrick @ Nov 6 2006, 06:51 PM) B... Nov 8 2006, 02:32 PM
Phil Stooke According to:
http://history.nasa.gov/SP-4210/pag... Nov 8 2006, 04:22 PM
dvandorn There were two reasons why the Ranger series was a... Nov 9 2006, 12:03 AM![]() ![]() |
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