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Apr 21 2005, 11:26 PM
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May 23 2005, 04:58 AM
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A number of postings back, somebody was "dissing" the Pioneer Spin-Scan Multi-Polariimiter/Camera as a primitive camera. I'd like to come, a bit, to it's defense.
The camera was actually 3 instruments in one. It was a zodiacal light photometer/polarimiter. On it's way out to Jupiter and beyond, it repeatedly imaged the entire sky except near the sun in red and blue light with full polarization analysis abilities. The resolution was terrible, about 1 or 1 1/2 degrees, but they were mapping the skyglow of the solarsystem, not taking pictures. They proved that the backscattered glow from the zodiacal light disappeared as you went through the asteroid belt to undetectably low levels, and proved that the gegenshein <counterglow--a bright patch in the zodiacal light centered on zero degree phase angle> was a photometric effect, and not due to a dust-cloud orbiting the sun at say the earth's L2 point. Processing the zodiacal photometry stuff involved mapping the pixels onto the celestial sphere, identifying detectible stars in each field of view, and subtracting the calculated starlight to get sky maps free from bright star contamination. The team doing this work never produces sky-map images from the data, and I've always wanted to see color/polarization maps of the sky from the Pioneers. The cameras also took intermediate resolution spin-scan polarimetry maps of Jupiter and Saturn with the disks well resolved at a full range of phase angles, not available from earth. Again, the images were 2 color, with full polarization analysys. This provided large amounts of QUANTITATIVE information on light scattering by cloud particles in the upper troposphere and stratosphere, data that was not duplicated or improved on in any way by the Voyagers. This data was and continues to be of use in modeling the structure of the visible parts of these planet's atmospheres. Finally, the best images from Pioneer 10 had resolution approaching Voyager's best. Pioneer took a picture with 60 km/pixel <if I recall> resolution at closest approach. It''s reproduced in the Journal of Geophysical Research's Pioneer 10 special issue. Radiation hits caused the gain of the camera <basically exposure> to shift a few times during the sequence, and the data has a strong periodic noise component possibly associated with radiation hitting the spinning spacecraft, but it couild and should have been restored and composited into a color image. Voyager's best resolutions on Jupiter were only some 15 to 20 km. |
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May 23 2005, 06:44 AM
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QUOTE (edstrick @ May 22 2005, 11:58 PM) A number of postings back, somebody was "dissing" the Pioneer Spin-Scan Multi-Polariimiter/Camera as a primitive camera. I'd like to come, a bit, to it's defense.... Oh, I wasn't saying they didn't do some amazing things with that instrument. My point was (and remains) that it was not primarily an imaging system, and because of that, it was unable to take anything like the total number of pictures a dedicated imaging system would have, and, indeed, the highest resolution Pioneer images I've ever seen, though they may have similar theoretical resolution to Voyager images, all appeared to retain aberrations and "blurring" factors that made them appear far less clear than the average Voyager image. I suppose it's possible that I have never seen properly corrected and cleaned-up Pioneer images -- do you have any links for high-quality versions? (Beg, beg...) -the other Doug -------------------- “The trouble ain't that there is too many fools, but that the lightning ain't distributed right.” -Mark Twain
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GregM Reprocessing Historical Images Apr 21 2005, 11:26 PM
Gsnorgathon I have to admit I'm a real sucker for those ... Apr 22 2005, 08:05 AM
OWW Cool Mariner 4/6/7 ( and more ) stuff:
http://memb... Apr 22 2005, 08:16 AM
4th rock from the sun The problem is having the original datasets for th... Apr 22 2005, 12:14 PM
GregM . Apr 22 2005, 04:01 PM
tedstryk Don Mitchell has gotten ahold of the original Vene... Apr 22 2005, 04:24 PM
gpurcell QUOTE (GregM @ Apr 22 2005, 04:01 PM)QUOTE (4... Apr 22 2005, 06:55 PM
tedstryk In the case of the Venera data, that is a Russian ... Apr 22 2005, 08:02 PM
deglr6328 QUOTE (tedstryk @ Apr 22 2005, 08:02 PM)In th... Apr 22 2005, 11:56 PM
tedstryk I have not come across original Pioneer image data... Apr 23 2005, 03:04 AM
GregM . Apr 23 2005, 04:28 AM
edstrick The digital data for the final versions of <mos... Apr 23 2005, 09:25 AM
4th rock from the sun QUOTE ...
Note that the mariner 4 images were tak... Apr 25 2005, 11:29 PM
edstrick Mariner 6 and 7 returned two "primary" i... Apr 23 2005, 09:50 AM
tedstryk The reason so much of Mariner 6/7 imagery was sent... Apr 23 2005, 12:24 PM
Bob Shaw Somewhere in my box of space slides from the 1970s... Apr 23 2005, 12:37 PM

tedstryk QUOTE (Bob Shaw @ Apr 23 2005, 12:37 PM)Somew... Apr 23 2005, 12:49 PM

Bob Shaw Yup, that's the chappie!
And my memory is... Apr 23 2005, 09:13 PM
peter59 QUOTE (edstrick @ Apr 23 2005, 09:50 AM)Marin... Apr 24 2005, 06:39 AM
edstrick Mariner Mars 1971 was to be a two spacecraft missi... Apr 23 2005, 10:14 AM
deglr6328 I am so consistently dumbfounded at the amazing de... Apr 23 2005, 05:50 PM
edstrick To chase down the history and existance of the Pio... Apr 23 2005, 08:28 PM
tedstryk QUOTE (edstrick @ Apr 23 2005, 08:28 PM)To ch... Apr 24 2005, 03:08 AM
TheChemist peter59,
thanks for providing the link to your won... Apr 24 2005, 08:24 AM
edstrick One annoying problem with the radiometrically corr... Apr 24 2005, 09:39 AM
GregM . Apr 27 2005, 01:55 AM
edstrick GregM and 4'th Rock are certainly on the right... Apr 27 2005, 10:49 AM
tedstryk Speaking of historical images, this is some work I... May 9 2005, 04:16 AM
Phil Stooke It's show and tell time.. I guess. Here's... May 11 2005, 03:32 AM
Bjorn Jonsson This is extremely impressive, IMHO especially pete... May 12 2005, 10:57 PM
tedstryk QUOTE (Bjorn Jonsson @ May 12 2005, 10:57 PM)... May 14 2005, 09:42 PM
GregM . May 17 2005, 03:27 AM
dvandorn QUOTE (GregM @ May 16 2005, 10:27 PM)<snip... May 17 2005, 06:29 AM
JRehling QUOTE (GregM @ May 16 2005, 08:27 PM)That... May 17 2005, 03:24 PM
Phil Stooke I promised earlier that I would post something fro... May 17 2005, 01:26 PM
tedstryk Phil, I am nowhere near trumping you. It will be ... May 17 2005, 07:38 PM
Bob Shaw Phil:
Very, very nice!
Now, the $64,000... May 17 2005, 07:39 PM

dvandorn QUOTE (Bob Shaw @ May 17 2005, 02:39 PM)Phil:... May 17 2005, 08:01 PM
dvandorn QUOTE (Phil Stooke @ May 17 2005, 08:26 AM)I ... May 17 2005, 07:41 PM
BruceMoomaw If I remember correctly, Voyager 2 also got some b... May 17 2005, 06:32 PM
Phil Stooke The detail looks west and north, and the full pan ... May 17 2005, 08:05 PM
Bob Shaw Thanks, guys! May 17 2005, 09:02 PM
tedstryk QUOTE (Phil Stooke @ May 17 2005, 08:05 PM)Th... May 17 2005, 11:27 PM
Phil Stooke I am attaching a set of maps which portray the Sur... May 18 2005, 01:37 PM
chris Very nice, Phil.
Chris May 18 2005, 02:41 PM
Bob Shaw Fascinating! May 18 2005, 08:43 PM
tedstryk QUOTE (Bob Shaw @ May 18 2005, 08:43 PM)Fasci... May 22 2005, 07:49 PM
Bjorn Jonsson QUOTE (tedstryk @ May 22 2005, 07:49 PM)Does ... May 22 2005, 11:23 PM
tedstryk
If you have these numbers in a simple text file I... May 23 2005, 12:06 AM
GregM . May 23 2005, 02:16 AM
Phil Stooke I didn't do the geometric correction!
T... May 23 2005, 03:09 AM
Bob Shaw The Surveyor hemispherical panorama domes (there *... May 23 2005, 10:23 AM
edstrick I don't know any links, the Pioneer team never... May 23 2005, 09:49 AM
lyford QUOTE (edstrick @ May 23 2005, 01:49 AM)I don... May 23 2005, 03:48 PM
Bjorn Jonsson I made a preliminary page containing several Pione... May 23 2005, 08:26 PM
4th rock from the sun QUOTE (lyford @ May 23 2005, 04:48 PM)That bo... May 23 2005, 09:41 PM
Phil Stooke A few more words about the Surveyor panoramas. Th... May 23 2005, 10:07 PM
dvandorn QUOTE (Phil Stooke @ May 23 2005, 05:07 PM)A ... May 24 2005, 06:58 AM
edstrick The Surveyor images were recorded on tape... ANALO... May 24 2005, 10:55 AM
tedstryk QUOTE (edstrick @ May 24 2005, 10:55 AM)The S... May 24 2005, 11:45 AM
djellison Shouldnt someone like the Planetary Society or sim... May 24 2005, 11:38 AM
Phil Stooke Ted said:
Actually, that project is still underwa... May 24 2005, 01:12 PM
Phil Stooke ...And I ought to add something about Russian effo... May 24 2005, 01:24 PM
tedstryk Yeah, Voyager was the last to have the dots. Vidi... May 24 2005, 02:08 PM
Decepticon In the Pionner images of Jupiters moons Ganymede l... May 25 2005, 07:24 PM
tedstryk QUOTE (Decepticon @ May 25 2005, 07:24 PM)In ... May 25 2005, 08:03 PM
Decepticon Great work! ^ May 25 2005, 09:14 PM
Decepticon If remember right, one of the Pionners was to take... May 26 2005, 12:39 AM
tedstryk QUOTE (Decepticon @ May 26 2005, 12:39 AM)I r... May 26 2005, 12:57 AM
edstrick The Pioneer Jupiter missions were done by direct c... May 26 2005, 08:07 AM
Decepticon What a shock it would have been if those images ma... May 26 2005, 01:21 PM
tedstryk Another project I am working on is trying to work ... May 27 2005, 02:01 PM
chris The thing that always amazes me about the Venera l... May 27 2005, 03:10 PM
Bob Shaw The estimable Don Davis has also rectified Venera ... May 27 2005, 04:04 PM

tedstryk QUOTE (Bob Shaw @ May 27 2005, 04:04 PM)The e... May 27 2005, 04:39 PM
JRehling QUOTE (tedstryk @ May 27 2005, 07:01 AM)Anoth... May 30 2005, 05:55 PM
ElkGroveDan QUOTE (JRehling @ May 30 2005, 05:55 PM)The o... Jun 1 2005, 02:53 AM
Decepticon WOW!
That is amazing! May 30 2005, 08:40 PM
4th rock from the sun Interesting images ! Very nice!
But those ... May 30 2005, 09:50 PM
JRehling QUOTE (4th rock from the sun @ May 30 2005, 0... May 30 2005, 10:31 PM

paxdan if the hills are real does this in any way help pi... May 30 2005, 11:48 PM
tedstryk QUOTE (4th rock from the sun @ May 30 2005, 0... May 31 2005, 02:07 AM
Phil Stooke Paxdan - no, it does not help locate the landing s... May 31 2005, 12:08 AM
GregM . May 31 2005, 01:25 AM
Phil Stooke I have finally finished the Surveyor 5 pan. Here ... May 31 2005, 08:46 PM
Bob Shaw Phil:
Is there anything *interesting* on the hori... May 31 2005, 09:04 PM
Phil Stooke Unfortunately there is no feature on the horizon w... May 31 2005, 09:41 PM
tedstryk http://www.mentallandscape.com/V_Venus.htm
Check ... Jun 1 2005, 11:45 AM
DDAVIS Here is a perspective drawing I made in support of... Jun 1 2005, 04:26 PM
tedstryk I have created a new Venera page.
http://pages.pr... Jun 2 2005, 03:34 AM
4th rock from the sun QUOTE (tedstryk @ Jun 2 2005, 04:34 AM)I have... Jun 2 2005, 04:22 PM
GregM . Jun 3 2005, 02:51 AM
tedstryk QUOTE (GregM @ Jun 3 2005, 02:51 AM)I think y... Jun 3 2005, 02:54 AM
Decepticon tedstryk Great work! Your web-page is in my bo... Jun 2 2005, 12:11 PM
Bjorn Jonsson Jupiter is highly variable with time. The change i... Jun 2 2005, 02:22 PM
4th rock from the sun QUOTE (Decepticon @ Jun 2 2005, 01:11 PM)How ... Jun 2 2005, 04:34 PM
Phil Stooke Another Surveyor 5 scene. This goes out to the ho... Jun 2 2005, 07:56 PM
Decepticon Thanks for the links!
It really did change... Jun 2 2005, 08:58 PM![]() ![]() |
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