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May 14 2005, 09:04 PM
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![]() Just perusing thru the Viking Lander dataseta ( amazing, less than 1CD each - and I've got 9 DVD's for Spirits Pancam Sols 1-270 alone Here's the info... QUOTE Product Id 11E123-GRN
Spacecraft Name VIKING_LANDER_1 Instrument Name CAMERA_1 Mission Phase Name EXTENDED MISSION Target Name MARS Start Time 1977-07-31T08:08:51Z Stop Time 1977-07-31T08:16:12Z Planet Day Number 366 Local Time 10.70 Start Azimuth 162.50 degrees Stop Azimuth 245.00 degrees Center Elevation 10.00 degrees Sampling Parameter Interval 0.12 degrees Observation Type COLOR TRIPLET Filter Name GREEN Gain Number 4 Offset Number 1 Detector Temperature -18.10 Dust Flag FALSE Start Rescan Number 0 Total Rescan Number 0 Scan Rate 16000 BPS Data Path Type RECORDED UHF LINK Line Samples 689 Missing Samples 3 |
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May 28 2005, 12:21 AM
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Couldn't wait!!!
Here's part of tedstryk's image merged (LRGB) with color data!!! ![]() Color resolution is good enough to show individual colors (well... some more brown, some gray, some orange :-) ) on the largest rocks. Unfortunately the distant features are a uniform "Mars orange"... Even so I'm surprised to find that 6 bit data can give this much information. Perhaps this is because it's uncompressed? Or is it something like Vinil vs CD question ? (old technology giving more human pleasing results?) -------------------- _______________________
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May 30 2005, 03:22 PM
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QUOTE (4th rock from the sun @ May 28 2005, 12:21 AM) Couldn't wait!!! Here's part of tedstryk's image merged (LRGB) with color data!!! ![]() Color resolution is good enough to show individual colors (well... some more brown, some gray, some orange :-) ) on the largest rocks. Unfortunately the distant features are a uniform "Mars orange"... Even so I'm surprised to find that 6 bit data can give this much information. Perhaps this is because it's uncompressed? Or is it something like Vinil vs CD question ? (old technology giving more human pleasing results?) By the way, if you want to use this on your site, as long as I get credit for the super-res work, you are more than welcome to use any of the images in color mergers, of if you want to try to improve on them. This goes for anyone. -------------------- |
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May 30 2005, 04:14 PM
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QUOTE (tedstryk @ May 30 2005, 04:22 PM) By the way, if you want to use this on your site, as long as I get credit for the super-res work, you are more than welcome to use any of the images in color mergers, of if you want to try to improve on them. This goes for anyone. Thank you! I'll look into that in the future. Let's see if some more super-res images appear in this thread ! I'd prefer to put a link to the original BW images, besides giving proper credit. Are you going to put this work on-line ? About the 6 bit images: Gain and offset do make a difference. It's possible to have a high S/N ratio even with 64 levels if you assign them to digitizing a small part of image brighness range. This way the sky area might be clipped but the full avaliable image dinamic can be used to record all the brightness variation of the rocks. I used to to the same when imaging the planets in 1997 with an old Logitech Quickcam (BW, 6 bits, parallel port camera) webcam and a small telescope... -------------------- _______________________
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May 30 2005, 04:48 PM
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QUOTE (4th rock from the sun @ May 30 2005, 04:14 PM) Thank you! I'll look into that in the future. Let's see if some more super-res images appear in this thread ! I'd prefer to put a link to the original BW images, besides giving proper credit. Are you going to put this work on-line ? About the 6 bit images: Gain and offset do make a difference. It's possible to have a high S/N ratio even with 64 levels if you assign them to digitizing a small part of image brighness range. This way the sky area might be clipped but the full avaliable image dinamic can be used to record all the brightness variation of the rocks. I used to to the same when imaging the planets in 1997 with an old Logitech Quickcam (BW, 6 bits, parallel port camera) webcam and a small telescope... Yes, I eventually plan to put some of them up. But I am just really impressed with your colorization of that image...I have been trying but can't quite replicate. I agree about 64 levels IF most of the levels are pretty close together. When the Viking images were coverted from 8 bit to 6 bit for transmission, they tried to maximize use of the levels. Some images suffer more than others. -------------------- |
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May 30 2005, 10:22 PM
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QUOTE (tedstryk @ May 30 2005, 05:48 PM) ... But I am just really impressed with your colorization of that image...I have been trying but can't quite replicate. ... Some hints: After you have your raw color image, go to the "channel mixer" and adjust the source/output channels % to correct the filters vs human vision response Create a copy of this image. You'll do doing further color adjustment to this version, but will need the original to get good luminance data. Get a reference mars image from the MER rovers with apropriate illumination and rock/sand distribution and amount of sky visible. Select areas on both images on wich this elements are represented on equal amounts. The use the "Match color" command to match the Viking image to the MER one. This part is trial and error and requires some experimentation with the selection areas. The colors will eventually match, but the contrast on the resulting image will be low. This is OK, because this is just color data to paste over the original image. It's important to keep the visible part of the lander unselected, as it will fool the matching process. Select the new color image and paste it on to a new layer over the original. Put the layer as "color" and 100%. That's it for the most part. If needed you can play with the levels and adjust the image some more, but the processing I described gives good results and corrects most of the bluish hues from the sky and lander. Hope this helps ;-) I'm working now on super-resolution compositions myself, after seeing the latest images posted in this thread !!! This is a 3 monocrome images + 2 color images super-resolution image I'm testing with. ![]() It looks more and more like Pathfinder... -------------------- _______________________
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Jun 7 2005, 01:16 AM
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QUOTE (4th rock from the sun @ May 30 2005, 06:22 PM) Some hints: Great looking! It does need a little "Salt And Pepper" filtering to remove those dark and bright specks.I assume you split out the luminance channel of the color images to stack with the monochrome images, before recombining, to help sharpen the color images! |
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Jun 7 2005, 02:37 AM
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There are no color images. Just monochrome images taken through different filters. In the case of Viking, usually the rgb images are of so much lower resolution than the broadband images that they are useless in the super-res stack, but on other image sets, such as Voyager, where the color-filtered images can be just as sharp, they can be added to the stack. I think (and I could be wrong) that, film cameras that were returned (Apollo, Zond) nonwithstanding, the first spacecraft to transmit color images in a single frame will be MSL.
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Jun 7 2005, 07:21 AM
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QUOTE (tedstryk @ Jun 6 2005, 09:37 PM) ...I think (and I could be wrong) that, film cameras that were returned (Apollo, Zond) nonwithstanding, the first spacecraft to transmit color images in a single frame will be MSL. I think you're right. Even the color TV cameras on the Apollo missions were color-wheel systems, in which a wheel of R-G-B filters spun in front of a monochrome vidicon tube. When the image was received back on Earth, it was passed electronically through a set of video generators that combined each tri-color triplet into a single colored TV frame. I believe the shuttle and ISS are now both equipped with TV cameras that send color frames, and I know they have been using digital color still-picture cameras on shuttle and ISS flights, so MSL won't be the first spacecraft of any type to transmit single-frame color pictures. But I think you're right, it will be the first lunar or planetary probe to do so. -the other Doug -------------------- “The trouble ain't that there is too many fools, but that the lightning ain't distributed right.” -Mark Twain
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djellison Viking 1 Lander May 14 2005, 09:04 PM
GregM . May 23 2005, 02:48 AM
4th rock from the sun Very good!
I think the Viking missions deserve... May 23 2005, 09:48 PM
tedstryk QUOTE (4th rock from the sun @ May 23 2005, 0... May 24 2005, 02:13 PM
djellison Well - I'll certainly go thru and start making... May 24 2005, 02:18 PM
tedstryk QUOTE (djellison @ May 24 2005, 02:18 PM)Well... May 24 2005, 03:08 PM
djellison QUOTE (tedstryk @ May 24 2005, 03:08 PM)I hav... May 24 2005, 03:54 PM
tedstryk The frames I was working with when I had this prob... May 25 2005, 11:33 AM
Chmee So does this picture symbolize something? Like gi... May 24 2005, 03:37 PM
Phil Stooke Chmee: "So does this picture symbolize someth... May 24 2005, 04:41 PM
djellison I must admit - I did occasionally think "well... May 25 2005, 11:50 AM
edstrick The Viking Lander cameras had, as I recall, 12 Pho... May 25 2005, 11:56 AM
djellison The eclipse imagery I features in my talk on Satur... May 25 2005, 12:11 PM
tedstryk Here is my latest attempt at a Viking 2 pan. For ... May 25 2005, 04:22 PM
tedstryk QUOTE (tedstryk @ May 25 2005, 04:22 PM)Here ... May 25 2005, 04:45 PM
4th rock from the sun I made some progress with the Viking raw GIF image... May 25 2005, 07:14 PM
tedstryk QUOTE (4th rock from the sun @ May 25 2005, 0... May 26 2005, 02:56 PM
Bob Shaw Fascinating image - can you identify it in a conte... May 26 2005, 03:22 PM
maycm Sorry to take this off topic for a moment - I was... May 26 2005, 04:06 PM
djellison http://history.nasa.gov/SP-425/ch27.htm
"T... May 26 2005, 04:12 PM
tedstryk Here is a context pan. May 26 2005, 04:19 PM

Bob Shaw The context shot really puts the super-resolution ... May 26 2005, 06:13 PM

tedstryk QUOTE (Bob Shaw @ May 26 2005, 06:13 PM)The c... May 26 2005, 07:30 PM

garybeau Nice job with the color pictures '4th rock fro... May 26 2005, 09:57 PM
maycm QUOTE (djellison @ May 26 2005, 12:12 PM)... May 27 2005, 01:40 PM
tedstryk Here are two new superres views. This is the area... May 27 2005, 10:06 PM
Bob Shaw Wow!
I'm bowled over (again).
Like I sai... May 27 2005, 10:39 PM
Phil Stooke Beautiful pictures, Ted. As Bob said, it's li... May 27 2005, 10:44 PM
Bob Shaw I'm really struck by the ordered appearance of... May 27 2005, 10:48 PM
4th rock from the sun Wow!!! This superres pans are great, c... May 27 2005, 11:51 PM
tedstryk QUOTE (4th rock from the sun @ May 28 2005, 1... May 28 2005, 01:55 AM
tedstryk QUOTE (4th rock from the sun @ May 30 2005, 1... May 31 2005, 02:15 AM

4th rock from the sun QUOTE (tedstryk @ May 31 2005, 03:15 AM)The r... May 31 2005, 10:26 AM

tedstryk I have tried with a new super-res version of the c... May 31 2005, 02:17 PM
dvandorn QUOTE (4th rock from the sun @ May 30 2005, 0... May 31 2005, 06:24 AM
4th rock from the sun QUOTE (tedstryk @ Jun 7 2005, 03:37 AM)...... Jun 7 2005, 10:58 AM
ilbasso Thinking again of the upcoming missions with just ... May 28 2005, 12:45 AM
Phil Stooke Nice color, 4th rock!
I think the overhangi... May 28 2005, 12:44 PM
tedstryk Here is a super-res view behind Viking Lander 2. ... May 28 2005, 01:59 PM
4th rock from the sun QUOTE (Phil Stooke @ May 28 2005, 01:44 PM)Ni... May 29 2005, 09:26 PM
tedstryk QUOTE (4th rock from the sun @ May 29 2005, 0... May 29 2005, 09:34 PM
Bob Shaw In that Viking 2 image, is that a hint of a polygo... May 28 2005, 02:14 PM
Phil Stooke Ted - nice one.
Bob - hint of a polygon... maybe... May 28 2005, 03:47 PM
Phil Stooke Here is the eastern horizon from VL2 (I suppose th... May 28 2005, 07:08 PM
djellison Ted - what technique are you using for the super r... May 28 2005, 08:47 PM
tedstryk QUOTE (djellison @ May 28 2005, 08:47 PM)Ted ... May 28 2005, 10:08 PM
Phil Stooke Super-rez note: to merge the layers you don't... May 28 2005, 09:18 PM
tedstryk QUOTE (Phil Stooke @ May 28 2005, 09:18 PM)Su... May 28 2005, 10:10 PM
tedstryk QUOTE (Phil Stooke @ May 28 2005, 09:18 PM)Su... May 28 2005, 10:11 PM
Phil Stooke I should say I agree with Ted about increasing the... May 29 2005, 02:26 PM
tedstryk QUOTE (Phil Stooke @ May 29 2005, 02:26 PM)I ... May 30 2005, 03:35 AM
Bob Shaw In the latest exquisite super-res, are we looking ... May 30 2005, 10:50 AM
4th rock from the sun Hi again,
Just to say that I finally took the tim... May 29 2005, 09:35 PM
Bob Shaw Ricardo:
Slightly OT, but have you any links to D... May 29 2005, 10:12 PM

4th rock from the sun QUOTE (Bob Shaw @ May 29 2005, 11:12 PM)Ricar... May 30 2005, 04:04 PM
tedstryk QUOTE (4th rock from the sun @ May 29 2005, 0... May 29 2005, 10:20 PM
Phil Stooke reply regarding Mars DEMs (Bob's question): t... May 30 2005, 04:26 PM
djellison Similar issues with MER to some extent, Pan/Haz/Na... May 30 2005, 05:16 PM
tedstryk QUOTE (djellison @ May 30 2005, 05:16 PM)Simi... May 30 2005, 07:47 PM
Phil Stooke Beautiful picture, but the crater doesn't have... May 31 2005, 02:30 PM
tedstryk QUOTE (Phil Stooke @ May 31 2005, 02:30 PM)Be... May 31 2005, 06:46 PM

4th rock from the sun Very nice !!!
It's a very good ima... Jun 1 2005, 11:58 AM
SFJCody QUOTE (Phil Stooke @ May 31 2005, 02:30 PM)Be... Jun 1 2005, 01:04 PM
Phil Stooke SFJCody asks:
"Is there a list of named Viki... Jun 1 2005, 03:30 PM
DDAVIS It's great to see all this excellent Viking re... Jun 1 2005, 04:17 PM
tedstryk Great color work 4th rock! BTW, I have begun ... Jun 1 2005, 08:02 PM
tedstryk QUOTE (tedstryk @ Jun 1 2005, 08:02 PM)Great ... Jun 5 2005, 11:22 AM
Phil Stooke Sorry, Ted, I don't have it. I have the same ... Jun 6 2005, 06:16 PM
djellison Actually - technically - they were still greyscale... Jun 7 2005, 11:00 AM
edstrick The Pioneer Jupiter/Saturn images were simultaneou... Jun 7 2005, 11:26 AM
edstrick Um.. Application Technology Satellite 3, in geosta... Jun 7 2005, 11:29 AM
aldo12xu Ted, 4th Rock, I just gotta say those super-rez co... Jun 20 2005, 07:07 PM
edstrick Since no space history junkie responded.. for your... Jun 21 2005, 01:20 AM
Bob Shaw QUOTE (edstrick @ Jun 21 2005, 02:20 AM)Since... Jul 9 2005, 12:17 AM
djellison I guess the DOD bit means we will never see data f... Jun 21 2005, 07:36 AM
edstrick It's a lot easier to do gravity gradient stabi... Jun 21 2005, 08:41 AM
BruceMoomaw Believe me, you aren't missing much with the D... Jun 21 2005, 12:14 PM
edstrick <grin>
At least they're better than the ... Jun 21 2005, 07:52 PM
scalbers This was mentioned in another thread, yet I'll... Jun 30 2005, 09:30 PM
BruceMoomaw The Molniya photos actually came first -- the Sovi... Jul 9 2005, 01:58 AM
Bob Shaw QUOTE (BruceMoomaw @ Jul 9 2005, 02:58 AM)The... Jul 9 2005, 10:03 PM
edstrick Surveyor 3 could only see the Earth near the edge ... Jul 9 2005, 07:51 AM
deglr6328 DODGE is apparently....still alive.... Jul 10 2005, 10:47 PM
Bob Shaw QUOTE (deglr6328 @ Jul 10 2005, 11:47 PM)DODG... Jul 11 2005, 08:50 PM
ljk4-1 NASA Science News for July 11, 2005
In 2008, NAS... Jul 12 2005, 12:17 AM
edstrick somebody contact this guy for pics and invite him ... Jul 11 2005, 05:28 AM
Myran QUOTE deglr6328 said: DODGE is apparently....still... Jul 11 2005, 04:03 PM
Phil Stooke The rover cameras on Apollos 15, 16 and 17 didn... Jul 12 2005, 12:52 AM
BruceMoomaw Apollo 15's camera -- which had already develo... Jul 12 2005, 01:46 AM
ljk4-1 I also remember reading somewhere (maybe the FPSPA... Jul 12 2005, 12:39 PM
Phil Stooke The LM impact would have been visible to both Apol... Jul 12 2005, 01:16 PM
dvandorn QUOTE (Phil Stooke @ Jul 12 2005, 08:16 AM)Ap... Jul 12 2005, 08:17 PM![]() ![]() |
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