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slinted
This isn't really a Spirit only topic, but since she has been on Mars a bit longer, I'll give her the honor of this thread.

http://disney.go.com/disneypictures/rovingmars/

January 27 release
SigurRosFan
A martian year in 40 minutes? huh.gif
mars loon
QUOTE (slinted @ Dec 6 2005, 10:08 PM)
This isn't really a Spirit only topic, but since she has been on Mars a bit longer, I'll give her the honor of this thread.

http://disney.go.com/disneypictures/rovingmars/

January 27 release
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This long awaited IMAX movie has been highlighted in a new article (DEC 30) by Alan Boyle in his Cosmic Log from MSNBC:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3217961/

there are long and informative quotes from Steve Squyres in the article.

and you absolutely must check out the thrilling trailer wheel.gif wheel.gif wheel.gif

http://disney.go.com/disneypictures/rovingmars/index.html
Shaka
QUOTE (mars loon @ Dec 30 2005, 04:54 PM)
This long awaited  IMAX movie has been highlighted in a new article (DEC 30) by Alan Boyle in his Cosmic Log from MSNBC:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3217961/

and you absolutely must check out the thrilling trailer  !!

http://disney.go.com/disneypictures/rovingmars/index.html
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Somebody tell me I'm having a nightmare! wheel.gif ohmy.gif wheel.gif

Hawaii's only Imax theater recently converted to a CIRCUS!!

To quote a Great American, Mr. C. Brown Esq. " AAAAAAAGGGGGGHHH!!!"
djellison
The Trailer made me cringe, the voice over was shocking ohmy.gif

The imagery should be good though smile.gif


Doug
chokai
QUOTE (djellison @ Dec 31 2005, 03:04 AM)
The Trailer made me cringe, the voice over was shocking ohmy.gif

The imagery should be good though smile.gif
Doug
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At least it didn't start out with: "In a world...."

I remember at the book signing Steve mentioning when asked about the movie that some of the super-high res panoramas were nearly IMAX sized themselves when pieced together, specifically Burns Cliff. Here's hoping the movie entered post-production recently enough that we'll get the Columbia Hills summit pans.
djellison
Well - IMAX resolution is, last I heard approx 5616 x 4096 pixels - so a full Pancam 3-frame-tall-postcard can be had in shot with room to spare - but it would still be 4 screens across smile.gif

Doug
lyford
QUOTE (chokai @ Dec 31 2005, 02:47 PM)
At least it didn't start out with: "In a world...."
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You are of course referring to this?
I hope the trailer is not indicative of the cheesy tone of the movie itself... but Disney is as Disney does.... rolleyes.gif
djellison
Magnificent Desolation was reasonably tasteful, some cringing moments, but on the whole made up for by spectacular imagery.

I just hope that MER is done justice.

Doug
mars loon
QUOTE (djellison @ Dec 31 2005, 11:08 PM)
Magnificent Desolation was reasonably tasteful, some cringing moments, but on the whole made up for by spectacular imagery.

I just hope that MER is done justice.

Doug
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I am surprised you guys don't like the Roving Mars trailer.

I found the trailer moving and motivating and have high hopes for the film since Dan Maas and Steve Squyres are involved.

Finally, The "Heroes of Mars Exploration" on the giant screen with the amazing adventures and exploits of Spirit and Opportunity. My hope is this film will be hughly successful with the general public and stimulate funding for the exploration of Mars and beyond for NASA.

Cassini would make for a great follow-up film.

We who love astronomy and space exploration, and inhabit this forum, depend on the good will of the public to finance these explorations. Thats why this movie is important. So, I am praying for it to be a winner in every sense !!!

ken
BPCooper
I personally can't wait for this one. Of course the real movie isn't voice overs, this is a trailer :-D
Bob Shaw
Here's a teaser...

Bob Shaw
lyford
Well, I am always wary of overly dramatic music and effects; I find it the cinematic equivalent of TYPING IN ALL CAPS WITH LOTS OF EXCLAMATION POINTS!!!!!!!! I also hate trailers that show all the good bits of the movie so there is nothing left to pay for in the theatre, but since most of us already "know the ending" that wasn't a problem here. It's maybe too much to expect IMAX to let the story and images speak for themselves without hyping up a whole emotional human epic story line of a story of planetary human epic emotions. I just hope they don't Disney it up too much with the swelling music and the slow motion hugging and tearful high fives during the landing sequence:

blink.gif Insert treacly violins hereblink.gif

I thought the PBS specials did a decent job of balancing coverage of the science, engineering and human angles of the mission.

But snarky as I am, I really can't wait, even though the nearest IMAX to me is about 100 miles away. I can't miss the interviews, or the full size panoramas, or even just for the giant size Delta II launch at full volume! tongue.gif

laugh.gif Insert earth shaking rumbling here laugh.gif
djellison
I love the two Nova programs, the first was my favorite, it covered the development and testing and just a few days after landing. The 'chute tests, airbag tests, Steve worrying about having Mini-TES being shock tested. It was a cracking insight into the development of it all. The Comet-Impact program I saw about DI didnt really capture things the same way, but it was quite good, particularly figuring out how to do the solar arrays.

Dan did some great anims for the first of the two MER Nova programs showing them squishing MER into the pathfinder sized lander, very funny smile.gif

I'm looking forward to the MER Imax hugely, just the V.O. for the Trailer, and to be honest with most trailers that come out of Hollywood, make me cringe. We dealt with a V.O. artist for a project at work, he was a Brit but his 'reel' had some hillarious hollywood like VO's in it - had us in stitches smile.gif

Doug
PhilCo126
Can't wait to get this Disney production on DVD smile.gif
lyford
QUOTE (djellison @ Jan 1 2006, 12:54 PM)
I love the two Nova programs, the first was my favorite, it covered the development and testing and just a few days after landing.
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I loved the Steve vs. Steve bit when Gorevan from Honeybee was fretting about the blueberries and how they might ruin the RAT... to drill or not to drill. A nice insight into the personalities involved and how cooperative these missions really are.
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STEVE GOREVAN: Look at this. You cannot see this berry in the place that we looked at.

STEVE SQUYRES: Have you got it properly registered with the pancam? Do you know where you are?

STEVE GOREVAN: I did not see those spherules in the pancam.

STEVE SQUYRES: Steve, sit down with some pancam images and get this stuff registered. You've got to figure out where you are, man.

STEVE GOREVAN: I promise that's what Phil and Aquille are doing. That's what we've been doing since I got here, but we can't find this.

STEVE SQUYRES: Well, they're obviously there.

STEVE GOREVAN: We'll solve it.

STEVE SQUYRES: Solve it by the science assessment meeting.

STEVE GOREVAN: Hey, we got paid, we'll solve it.
mars loon
QUOTE (lyford @ Jan 2 2006, 08:35 PM)
I loved the Steve vs. Steve bit when Gorevan from Honeybee was fretting about the blueberries and how they might ruin the RAT... to drill or not to drill. A nice insight into the personalities involved and how cooperative these missions really are.
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I highly recommend both NOVA programs as I wrote in this thread earlier
http://www.unmannedspaceflight.com/index.p...indpost&p=31952
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/mars/

Also I had the priviledge to meet Steve Gorevan when I invited him to give a lecture in Princeton, NJ a few months back. Another great guy with a great story to tell. He even loaned me a scale model RAT for my Mars outreach presentations. So far the RAT's have done well over 100 grindings and brushing vs a spec of 6. Honeybee is a 1st class company

some details in this thread:
http://www.unmannedspaceflight.com/index.php?showtopic=1385

for anyone who may be in the Philadelphia area, my next presentation (with the RAT model) is here on Jan 11, click on meetings:
http://www.rittenhouseastronomicalsociety.org/
djf
Wired News has a brief story about the upcoming release of "Roving Mars". Not a whole lot of new info, but a few nice stills from the film.
Toma B
QUOTE (djf @ Jan 16 2006, 10:43 PM)
...a few nice stills from the film...
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WOW!!! These are awesome...Can you see Opportunity rover in these images? So tiny...so precious...

Click to view attachment Click to view attachment
jaredGalen
Whoa, the crater seems a hell of a lot bigger than I had thought.
Looks pretty cool though. smile.gif
lyford
Descriptive PDF here.
Looks like they are going to use some of those special effect shots - nice to finally "see" the rovers from the 3rd person perspective in the environments that we have come to know and love.
Though the movie site (btw, did I tell you how much I HATE flash websites?) doesn't have the theatre listings yet...
mars loon
Space.com has a new article about the IMAX Film "Roving Mars" here:

http://space.com/entertainment/060119_ent_roving_mars.html

NASA’s Mars Rovers to Hit the Silver Screen
By Tariq Malik
Staff Writer
posted: 19 January 2006

quote from first few paragraphs:

NASA’s hardy twin robots Spirit and Opportunity currently roving across the surface of Mars will be immortalized in a fresh documentary about their wildly successful mission.

Disney’s new IMAX film Roving Mars, set to open nationwide on Jan. 27, chronicles the exploits of NASA’s Mars Exploration Rover (MER) mission that entered its third year exploring the surface of the red planet this month. Originally slated for a 90-Martian day mission, Spirit and Opportunity have consistently surpassed the expectations of their handlers and filmmakers throughout their mission.

“My original idea was to wait for the rovers to die and that it would be a dramatic ending,” Roving Mars director George Butler told SPACE.com. “However, these rovers won’t die, which is excellent news.”
djf
Looks like it will be opening in 16 US cities and 2 in Canada.

So who's planning on seeing it opening day? I'm probably headed to Grand Rapids for an afternoon showing on Friday...
paulanderson
I'm in North Vancouver, a suburb of Vancouver. We have a great IMAX theatre right across the inlet from me, beside the cruise ship terminal (nice location!), which is one of the two showing it in Canada so far (that's it?). I don't know if there are any other forum members near here or not, but I definitely want to see it. Spirit and Oppy deserve to be on the big screen! smile.gif
Tom Tamlyn
In Community Chit Chat I've proposed a NYC field trip to see the film.

TTT
elakdawalla
I got to go see a screening of Roving Mars last night and just posted a review in my blog. The short version: cool film, definitely see it if you can, the animations have been lovingly re-updated to place the rovers in 3D environments based on rover imagery. But in the end I was disappointed by how little actual Mars imagery they used and how much of it was animation, and they failed to tell much of the story of the sagas of both rovers after they landed in the narration. Still, it is well worth going to see it on the IMAX screen. I loved the super-close-up shots of the rovers being built as much as I loved the scenes from Mars. Bill Harris and his pals over in the 1/4 Scale Rover Project thread will want to watch that part of the movie again and again!

--Emily
elakdawalla
Also, they handed out a CD with stills from the movie at the screening. I pulled out all the simulated views and cut them all down to half resolution to be able to upload them here. Enjoy. According to the fine print on the booklet that came with the disk these images are only to be used to discuss the movie, not for any other purpose, so don't go and use them on your websites...but nobody will know if you use them as desktop wallpaper!

--Emily
odave
About which sol(s) does the movie end on? Sounds like pretty much gets as far as Steve's book did. And as you say, hopefully we'll get an updated edition of the movie when the rovers finally die (SS: "they are not immortal, I'm convinced of this" smile.gif )
elakdawalla
QUOTE (odave @ Jan 25 2006, 12:36 PM)
About which sol(s) does the movie end on?  Sounds like pretty much gets as far as Steve's book did.  And as you say, hopefully we'll get an updated edition of the movie when the rovers finally die (SS: "they are not immortal, I'm convinced of this" smile.gif )
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Well, the movie lacked much sense of time passing on Mars and didn't really tell the Mars part as a story following landing, so it didn't really end on a specific sol. Adirondack was the only rock target mentioned by name, and then the narration said they headed for the hills. They showed blueberries from Opportunity but really didn't say much about what was going on with Oppy after that. The last Spirit view shown was some time before the summit but it was too quick for me to say exactly which one it was -- looking at the Pancam team site I'm guessing it was somewhere around the Thanksgiving pan but I'm not too sure, it could have been later. The last Opportunity view shown was Rub Al Khali.

--Emily
AlexBlackwell
Coming Soon to a Theater Near You: Mars, in Glorious 3-D
By DAVID M. HALBFINGER
The New York Times
January 25, 2006
DrZZ
Just ran acress this:
Squyres and filmaker George Butler Live online at washingtonpost.com at 2pm EST Jan 26. There is an address to send questions.
djellison
Anyone noticed how innacurate the tracks are in Endurance crater smile.gif

Doug
Tman
QUOTE (elakdawalla @ Jan 25 2006, 09:29 PM)
...but nobody will know if you use them as desktop wallpaper!

--Emily


I buy the wonderful sunset Rover blink.gif ...and wallpaper what's that? smile.gif

Thanks for the pics!
Tman
QUOTE (djellison @ Jan 26 2006, 04:05 PM)
Anyone noticed how innacurate the tracks are in Endurance crater smile.gif

Doug
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I can hardly remember. Anyway the (great) view looks stunning real-like smile.gif

But I guess the Rover on Burns Cliff is a bit too slope for surviving.
Thats better: http://www.marsgeo.com/Opportunity/BurnsCliff.htm biggrin.gif
lyford
QUOTE (elakdawalla @ Jan 25 2006, 12:23 PM)
I got to go see a screening of Roving Mars last night and just posted a review in my blog.
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Lucky!

Where in the LA area is it showing? I didn't see it listed as a opening city at the USA Today article or at the horrible Disney site.

Can't wait to see the opening sol numbers in Variety tongue.gif
ljk4-1
Cornell goes to the movies: Mars and Steve Squyres' rovers star in IMAX spectacular

http://www.news.cornell.edu/stories/Jan06/MER.imax.lg.html

Jan. 26, 2006

By Lauren Gold
lg34@cornell.edu

Thanks to a combination of coincidence, luck and a few handy connections, the red planet is a star in the story of the durable twin Mars rovers, which hits the extra-big screens in IMAX theaters in New York, Washington, D.C., and two dozen other cities across North America on Friday, Jan. 27.

The 40-minute film, "Roving Mars," is the story of the journey of the rovers Spirit and Opportunity -- as well as the journey of their creators. Directed by George Butler and produced by Frank Marshall, the movie chronicles the rovers' early development to their treks across two very different regions of Mars. The rovers are still going strong, having far exceeded their projected life span of 90 days.

Equipping the rovers with IMAX-quality cameras was a priority for NASA's Mars Exploration Rover (MER) mission from the beginning. "We set for ourselves the goal of making two robot field geologists," says Steve Squyres, Cornell's Goldwin Smith professor of astronomy and the mission's principal investigator. Cornell astronomy Associate Professor Jim Bell, leader of the panoramic camera (Pancam) team for the mission, says that meant giving the rover cameras 20/20 stereo vision -- "the first time we've had human resolution on Mars."

Documenting the mission for a film, though, was not originally in NASA's plans. That idea came together in part thanks to Squyres' younger brother, Tim, an Academy Award-nominated film editor (and like his older brother, a Cornell alumnus). Tim pitched the idea to Butler and Marshall, who then did their own share of pitching to NASA before they were granted access for filming.

The pivotal point occurred just before Spirit's launch in June 2003, when tension was at its peak and the team didn't want to be slowed down by a camera crew. So Butler rented the IMAX theater at Cape Canaveral to show the MER team his last movie: a documentary about the journey of Antarctic explorer Sir Ernest Shackleton.

"You could feel this chill go through the room," says Steve Squyres. From that moment, Butler's film crews had full access.

But neither Butler's crews nor the rovers' cameras on Mars could capture images of the rovers themselves once they were in orbit. That's where Cornell alumnus Dan Maas, creator of Emmy-nominated Maas Digital in Ithaca came in. Maas had created animation for the MER mission in the past -- as well as for other NASA missions, including Deep Impact.

Maas delivered brilliantly, says Steve Squyres -- creating a seamless transition between actual footage and 12 minutes of lifelike animation that stays true to the mission data. It's all meticulously "real," the mission's lead scientist says, from the placement of rocks on the surface of Mars to the way the rovers bounced down on opposite sides of the planet in January 2004 enclosed in pillows of hand-stitched airbags.

"Those are the actual bounces. That's not a Hollywood recreation," he says of Maas' computer-created feeling of authenticity. "Dan did spectacular work."

The film, which is sponsored by Lockheed Martin and released by Walt Disney Co., is not heavy on science but is an exhilarating ride that captures the spirit of exploration to a faraway place -- in thrilling full color.

"That doesn't happen when you put a picture on your monitor; it doesn't happen when you make a printout," says Bell. "It will be that immersion experience -- of being completely surrounded and overwhelmed with Mars. I want people to have the experience of being there. I think it's going to be spectacular."

And if viewers -- especially the youngest ones -- get inspired to do some exploration of their own, says Steve Squyres, the movie will have served its purpose. Because when Mars hosts its first human explorers, they most likely will be, Squyres believes, today's elementary school students.

"What I would most like is if some kid watches this movie and says, 'I want to go there,'" says Steve Squyres. "And then actually does it."

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jrdahlman
Hmmm. Haven't seen it yet, but I keep reading capsule reviews like this:

"Roving Mars

Thanks to the combined efforts of, oddly, NASA, Walt Disney, and defense monolith Lockheed Martin, you can see the red planet up close and personal for the first time in IMAX super size. Except that is, that for the most part, you can't. Despite our best scientific efforts and millions of dollars, it seems that the only way we can get a close-up look at our nearest planetary neighbor, sadly, is still through CGI. Roving Mars starts off promising, tracking the buildup to the breakthrough mission that sent two robots to the Martian surface. But at the touchdown, just when it should be getting good, the film becomes a special effects minefield. The real Mars images are given short shrift – with still photos shown only briefly – in favor of sexier, slick, glossy, hypercolorized CG recreations (think Nova on steroids). It's too bad, because though often gritty and black and white, the pictures of the rocky, barren landscape are spectacular in their true otherworldliness and don't need the cosmetic surgery makeover."

(review by Sabrina Crawford, San Francisco Bay Guardian, a local weekly paper.)

I'd still like to see it, but I think people on this forum who've lovingly worked on assembling the REAL Mars pictures are going to be a little disappointed.

Maybe we should edit our own "Imax"-like movie? As in, "this is what you should have used"?
mcaplinger
QUOTE (elakdawalla @ Jan 25 2006, 12:23 PM)
I got to go see a screening of Roving Mars last night and just posted a review in my blog
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From your blog:

"They spent several minutes building up the tension that surrounded Spirit's landing, and the horrible 10 minutes of silence that followed it."

I don't suppose they left in any of the voice traffic from MSSS (call sign "MGS MOC") reporting during that period (in admittedly cryptic terms) that we had enough data from the UHF pass that the rover had to have survived the landing? I feel a bit cheated out of my place in history by JPL's failure to understand what I was saying, and I've never seen a transcript or heard a recording that included that traffic. Oh well sad.gif
elakdawalla
QUOTE (mcaplinger @ Jan 27 2006, 04:00 PM)
I don't suppose they left in any of the voice traffic from MSSS (call sign "MGS MOC") reporting during that period (in admittedly cryptic terms) that we had enough data from the UHF pass that the rover had to have survived the landing?  I feel a bit cheated out of my place in history by JPL's failure to understand what I was saying, and I've never seen a transcript or heard a recording that included that traffic.  Oh well  sad.gif
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Not that I remember; I believe that most of the voice traffic during that period was Wayne Lee but I could be wrong about that. You're not the only one who is feeling cheated right now. I feel like none of the science team except Steve got any love from this movie. There wasn't a single shot from inside either the Science Assessment or SOWG areas of building 264.

Thanks for mentioning that "MGS MOC" voice traffic though -- I had completely forgotten about it, but you jogged my memory. I remember thinking, "What the heck does that mean? Is it time to celebrate now?"

--Emily
ljk4-1
'Roving Mars' is part drama, part suspense and all a tribute to NASA team

http://www.news.cornell.edu/stories/Jan06/...remiere.lg.html

Jan. 27, 2006

By Lauren Gold
lg34@cornell.edu


WASHINGTON, D.C. -- The IMAX movie, "Roving Mars," which had its world premiere in Washington, D.C., yesterday (Jan. 26), is part detective story, part drama, part suspense.

It begins with the central mystery -- was Mars ever capable of supporting life? -- and continues through the mission's meticulous planning and testing phases. It shows launch day for the Mars rover Spirit on a sunny day at Cape Canaveral in June 2003, and the day, seven months and 300 million miles later, when the rover entered the Martian atmosphere, dutifully deploying parachutes and airbags and bouncing and rolling to a stop.

Then the suspense, as for a few agonizing minutes the rover communicates nothing to the mission's operators at the Jet Propulsion Laboratory in Pasadena, Calif. All that can be heard are the tense words: "We currently do not have a signal from the spacecraft. Please stand by."

Until the signal finally comes, and the room erupts. And the thrill spills beyond the IMAX screen and into the audience.

The premiere of Disney's "Roving Mars" at the Lockheed Martin IMAX theater at the Smithsonian Air and Space Museum was an evening of celebrating two teams: the 4,000 scientists, engineers and support staff who made NASA's Mars Exploration Rover mission a success -- and the smaller group that coalesced on the side to document the mission for the IMAX film.

The celebrities at the event included Steve Squyres, Cornell astronomer and the mission's principal science investigator; Hollywood director George Butler; producer Frank Marshall; and a host of NASA and Lockheed Martin officials. All ambled down the red carpet to the museum's atrium, accessorized with movie posters, tables of appetizers and two talking (and more than a little impertinent) robots, both named Sprocket.

Inevitably there was also a model of the Mars rover, presiding on a platform at the entrance -- the model built by Cornell students four years ago and now permanently on display at the Smithsonian.

If there was another star of the evening, it was the quiet-mannered Dan Maas, animator and Cornell alumnus behind 12 of the film's 40 minutes. Maas' work -- seamless, indistinguishable from the film's actual footage of the mission and filled with true-to-Mars details -- earned him raves from Butler and Squyres. Marshall -- meeting Maas in person for the first time on the red carpet before the film, blurted, "Oh my gosh, let me hug you," He called Maas, "One of the most talented men I've ever met."

Milling around Maas outside the theater after the film, admirers couldn't say enough. "Beautiful," "Amazing," "Stunning," they said. "You really brought it to life."

By the time the audience of media and guests from Cornell, NASA and Lockheed Martin settled into their seats in the steeply raked theater, the mood was set.

The ultimate success and longevity of both rovers, Spirit and Opportunity, still plugging along on opposite sides of Mars two years after their landing, makes the story even more compelling. But producer Marshall admitted it put him in a bit of a quandary.

The story he pitched to Walt Disney Co. was much more straightforward: "They're born, they go up there and rove around, and they die," he said. When they didn't die, no one was quite sure how to proceed. "We said, we've got to figure out another ending. [Spirit and Opportunity] have gone the distance -- way beyond our wildest dreams," he recalled.

As the evening wound down, the thrill of the whole endeavor -- "an interplanetary hole-in-one," as Squyres had characterized Opportunity's landing in Eagle crater on Jan. 24, 2004 -- stuck.

NASA administrator Michael Griffin expanded on the theme "People talk about teamwork -- about people pulling together to get a touchdown," Griffin said. "This was like 10 touchdowns.

"To the success of Spirit and Opportunity, and the people who operate the rovers, both of whom refuse to quit."

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Shaka
QUOTE (elakdawalla @ Jan 27 2006, 02:06 PM)
Not that I remember; I believe that most of the voice traffic during that period was Wayne Lee but I could be wrong about that.  You're not the only one who is feeling cheated right now.  I feel like none of the science team except Steve got any love from this movie.  There wasn't a single shot from inside either the Science Assessment or SOWG areas of building 264.

Thanks for mentioning that "MGS MOC" voice traffic though -- I had completely forgotten about it, but you jogged my memory.  I remember thinking, "What the heck does that mean?  Is it time to celebrate now?"

--Emily
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mcaplinger
QUOTE (elakdawalla @ Jan 27 2006, 04:06 PM)
Thanks for mentioning that "MGS MOC" voice traffic though -- I had completely forgotten about it, but you jogged my memory.  I remember thinking, "What the heck does that mean?  Is it time to celebrate now?"

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Yeah, sorry about that. For the MER-B landing we tried to pre-script our report for more clarity, but they got the tones quickly so it didn't matter. I don't think many of the MER people understood how the MGS link was going to tell them and on what timescale.

Aviation Week got it mostly right, but identified me as Mike Malin. Grrr.

"At 8:44 p.m. Michael Malin of MGS reported that the satellite had received more than 240 kilobytes of UHF data--so much data that most of it must have come from the surface. But from the anxious looks on controllers' faces it appeared no one heard him. Malin made more increasingly positive reports over the next several minutes that also seemed to fall on deaf ears."
djellison
That was YOUR voice for Mer A? Wow - you knew before anyone else that Spirit was alive basically.

I'd have been tempted to do this....

FD "MGS MOC - Flight"
You "Go ahead flight"
FD "Do you see anything yet"
You "Nope - not a thing. Nothing, bugger all"
FD "OK, Keep us posted"

Just to keep the suspense up a bit longer, then 5 minutes later

You "Flight MGS MOC"
FD "Go Ahead MGS MOC
You "I've got like, a quarter of a meg of stuff here from that thingie of yours, do you want me to put it on a data stick, or email you or something?"

smile.gif

Doug
Shaka
QUOTE (djellison @ Jan 27 2006, 10:43 PM)
You "I've got like, a quarter of a meg of stuff here from that thingie of yours, do you want me to put it on a data stick, or email you or something?"

smile.gif

Doug
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Bob Shaw
QUOTE (Shaka @ Jan 28 2006, 10:06 AM)
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Doug:

Luxury. We'd have had to use semaphore...

(etc)

Being first to confirm the MER landing is a helluva thing for a CV, though! Pity it turned into a Buzz Aldrin moment (he was actually the first person to speak from the surface of the Moon, not Neil Armstrong, when he gave a brief status check upon landing - before 'Tranquility Base here...').

Bob Shaw
djellison
QUOTE (Bob Shaw @ Jan 28 2006, 12:51 PM)
g, when he gave a brief status check upon landing - before 'Tranquility Base here...').


From memory here....and I'll get it wrong I'm sure

"OK Engine stopped, ACA out of detent ,Descent Engine Command Override, Off. Engine Arm, Off. 413 is in."

It's SOMETHING like that. Whenever you see a clip on TV, they go "OK Engine Stop, Tranquility base here, the Eagle has landed" andin my brain, I drop in the lines they 'missed'

Doug
chris
QUOTE (djellison @ Jan 28 2006, 02:04 PM)
From memory here....and I'll get it wrong I'm sure

"OK Engine stopped, ACA out of detent ,Descent Engine Command Override, Off. Engine Arm, Off. 413 is in."

It's SOMETHING like that. Whenever you see a clip on TV, they go "OK Engine Stop, Tranquility base here, the Eagle has landed" andin my brain, I drop in the lines they 'missed'

Doug
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Very good Doug! The Lunar Surface Journal gives us:

102:45:40 Aldrin: Contact Light.
102:45:43 Armstrong (on-board): Shutdown
102:45:44 Aldrin: Okay. Engine Stop.
102:45:45 Aldrin: ACA out of Detent.
102:45:46 Armstrong: Out of Detent. Auto.
102:45:47 Aldrin: Mode Control, both Auto. Descent Engine Command Override, Off. Engine Arm, Off. 413 is in.
102:45:57 Duke: We copy you down, Eagle.
102:45:58 Armstrong (on-board): Engine arm is off. (Pause) Houston, Tranquility Base here. The Eagle has landed.
ElkGroveDan
QUOTE (chris @ Jan 28 2006, 03:52 PM)
Very good Doug! The Lunar Surface Journal gives us:

102:45:40 Aldrin: Contact Light.
102:45:43 Armstrong (on-board): Shutdown
102:45:44 Aldrin: Okay. Engine Stop.
102:45:45 Aldrin: ACA out of Detent.
102:45:46 Armstrong: Out of Detent. Auto.
102:45:47 Aldrin: Mode Control, both Auto. Descent Engine Command Override, Off. Engine Arm, Off. 413 is in.
102:45:57 Duke: We copy you down, Eagle.
102:45:58 Armstrong (on-board): Engine arm is off. (Pause) Houston, Tranquility Base here. The Eagle has landed.
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Good points both of you. I remember hearing the question on a game show "What was the first word spoken from the surface of the moon?" The answer was given as "Houston". But clearly poor old oft-forgotten Buzz Aldrin gets the nod here with the word "contact."
john_s
QUOTE (mcaplinger @ Jan 28 2006, 12:00 AM)
I don't suppose they left in any of the voice traffic from MSSS (call sign "MGS MOC") reporting during that period (in admittedly cryptic terms) that we had enough data from the UHF pass that the rover had to have survived the landing?  I feel a bit cheated out of my place in history by JPL's failure to understand what I was saying, and I've never seen a transcript or heard a recording that included that traffic.  Oh well  sad.gif
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I love this forum- wonderful to get tidbits like this. I hope posting here will help to restore your rightful place in history...

Back to the movie. We saw it last night, in a packed theater in Denver (nice to see folks turning out en masse for this!). I thought it was actually pretty good. The Earth-based stuff was excellent (the parachute deployment in the wind tunnel was particularly wondeful) and I wouldn't begrudge a frame of it if only the movie had been longer overall- it would definitely have been nice to spend a larger fraction of the total time on Mars. I guess they were afraid that the general public would quickly tire of rocks and hills and sand, and they might be right for all I know- as someone who can't get enough of rocks and hills and sand it's hard for me to judge.

I was amazing to see the Pancam panoramas on the Imax screen- I want a screen like that in my living room so I can fully appreciate the panoramas produced by the folks on this forum. Great too to see Opportunity bouncing into Eagle crater, the way I'd always imagined it.

There is a much longer movie waiting to be made about MER- I hope it happens sometime.
ElkGroveDan
QUOTE (mcaplinger @ Jan 28 2006, 12:00 AM)
From your blog:

"They spent several minutes building up the tension that surrounded Spirit's landing, and the horrible 10 minutes of silence that followed it."

I don't suppose they left in any of the voice traffic from MSSS (call sign "MGS MOC") reporting during that period (in admittedly cryptic terms) that we had enough data from the UHF pass that the rover had to have survived the landing?  I feel a bit cheated out of my place in history by JPL's failure to understand what I was saying, and I've never seen a transcript or heard a recording that included that traffic.  Oh well  sad.gif
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That was you? As a fan and follower of MGS for years, I heard that comment at the time, and actually wondered if I was correct in assuming that the folks at Malin were involved. Neato.
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