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Bill Harris
Now that we're approaching the Homeplate basin, I've noticed something odd. From the color images of the Inner Basin taken from atop Husband Hill or from Comanche, I see many large dark boulders and a few large light-toned boulders the size of the Rover or larger on Mitcheltree Ridge. But now that Spirit is climbing that ridge I haven't seen any large boulders. I had assumed that this was a blurring phenomenon, but blurring tends to bleed over from the light areas (sand) into the dark spots (rocks) and not vice versa, so the dark rocks should be made less visible.

Any thoughts? Not a big deal, this just bugs me...

--Bill
Tesheiner
Another move (sol 739). wheel.gif wheel.gif wheel.gif

Pitcher's Mound is on sight again, and I think Home Plate too.
Check for yourselves: http://nasa.exploratorium.edu/mars/spirit/...MGP0715R0M1.JPG
Toma B
QUOTE (Tesheiner @ Jan 31 2006, 05:40 PM)
Pitcher's Mound is on sight again, and I think Home Plate too.
Check for yourselves: http://nasa.exploratorium.edu/mars/spirit/...MGP0715R0M1.JPG
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Yes they are visible again...while I wait for more images this is what's came down so far...

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RNeuhaus
Now, Spirit at the top of Mitcheltree Ridge, I have noticed that zone is more windy. See the formation of tail of sand back of every stones. The wind has a prominent direction on that, seems to be toward West. The other interesting thing, on the floor of Inner Basin, we see fewer boulders or stones but the stones density increases on the top of Mitcheltree Ridge. I suppose that the Inner Basin has more sand due to eolian influence and the contrary, on Mitcheltree Ridge, is more windy so the boulders are more naked.

On the other hand, what I pay more attention is about the more or less uniformity of stone distribution. It is fairly good distributed. It might be that zone there must had mud and the water or aeolian have eroded sand or mud leaving the boulders or stone or their places.

Rodolfo
djellison
Wind is good..Spirit's looking a bit dirty smile.gif With a good clean, we might get an extra week or two at HP before running off to sunbathe!

Doug
Burmese
So much for going around Micheltree Ridge as I was theinking the other day, Spirit just bolted right up the side!
Tesheiner
I don't think more pics will be downlinked tosol and the few images available now are not enough to make any good driving measurements.

Anyway, I think the manouver was somethink like this:

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Sol 738 navcam panorama (annotated)
Original image: http://nasa.exploratorium.edu/mars/spirit/...KCP0725L0M1.JPG

That rock encircled in yellow seems to be the same one which can be seen on tosol after-drive fhaz image.

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Original image: http://nasa.exploratorium.edu/mars/spirit/...MGP1212R0M1.JPG
Sunspot
Exploratorium isn't working for me at the moment.. anyone else with this problem?

.....edit: Ignore, it's working OK now. smile.gif
SigurRosFan
QUOTE (Toma B @ Jan 28 2006, 02:04 PM)
Here's what Autostich makes of that MI images...
I hope there are more images to come...


Beautiful stitch!

--- We whipped out the IDD and took what have to be some of the coolest MI images of the whole mission, on Sol 736. The name of this thing is GongGong, and it is what can happen when you have a very frothy, gas-rich lava that solidifies with lots of voids in it and then gets eroded by the wind for a very long time.

You may ask where a name like GongGong came from. We have several Chinese members of our team, and in honor of Chinese New Year, we have been assigning names from Chinese mythology and history to the rocks at Gusev. GongGong, I'm told, was the king of water from the north, who knocked down Mount BuZhou with his head. You can learn all kinds of things by doing a mission to Mars. ---

http://athena.cornell.edu/news/mubss/ - Jan 29, Update
fredk
QUOTE (jvandriel @ Jan 31 2006, 09:54 AM)
Here is the view from Sol 738.

Taken with the L0 navcam.

jvandriel
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I suspect that's our first view of west spur in many a sol - it's on the far right of this sol 738 pan.
Shaka
QUOTE (Bill Harris @ Jan 31 2006, 03:51 AM)
Now that we're approaching the Homeplate basin, I've noticed something odd.  From the color images of the Inner Basin taken from atop Husband Hill or from Comanche, I see many large dark boulders and a few large light-toned boulders the size of the Rover or larger on Mitcheltree Ridge.  But now that Spirit is climbing that ridge I haven't seen any large boulders.  I had assumed that this was a blurring phenomenon, but blurring tends to bleed over from the light areas (sand) into the dark spots (rocks) and not vice versa, so the dark rocks should be made less visible.

Any thoughts?  Not a big deal, this just bugs me...

--Bill
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I would have thought my embarrassment about The Big Black Rock would have made the answer obvious. Objects (rocks or the sun or moon) on a horizon are expanded in size by the brain. This optical illusion has been studied in depth by many researchers. (While a graduate student, I actually served as a volunteer subject in one of these studies.) When moved significantly above or below the horizon (especially if other objects for reference are nearby), the object 'shrinks' in our perception. No, I can't tell you why.
In the MER example, the different cameras and their lenses and locations on the rover seem to enhance this effect. So many times I've looked at a bunch of 'boulders' in a pancam image, thinking: We'll never get past those! Then when I see the same rocks in the fish-eye hazcam,with the wheels in the frame, it's obvious that we can just roll over those 'pebbles'.
I'm much more cautious now about judging rock sizes, but I'd be willing to wager that those "rover-size" rocks on Mitcheltree were nowhere near that big. A parallax estimate is the only technique I would trust until we're sitting on the thing.
Ain't science wonderful? blink.gif
dot.dk
QUOTE (Shaka @ Feb 1 2006, 12:54 AM)
In the MER example, the different cameras and their lenses and locations on the rover seem to enhance this effect.  So many times I've looked at a bunch of 'boulders' in a pancam image, thinking: We'll never get past those! Then when I see the same rocks in the fish-eye hazcam,with the wheels in the frame, it's obvious that we can just roll over those 'pebbles'.
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Remember Eagle crater and the great rock wall we saw there? laugh.gif
Bill Harris
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I would have thought my embarrassment about The Big Black Rock would have made the answer obvious. Objects (rocks or the sun or moon) on a horizon are expanded in size by the brain. This optical illusion...


Nope, it's not the classic perspective effect. Look at this crop from Alan's latest Route Map. Them black spots be rover-sized rocks...

--Bill
RNeuhaus
QUOTE (Shaka @ Jan 31 2006, 07:54 PM)
Ain't science wonderful? blink.gif
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Yes it is wonderful. Another very interesting is that the view of stones varies greatly according to the filter level (L1,...,L7) of PANCAM. These filter levels, you will see completely different land, changing from rough to smooth land. Even better, if you see a panoram with analghpy picture which is the best to make a final judgment of what you see. Science never ends in learning. smile.gif

Rodolfo
Shaka
QUOTE (Bill Harris @ Jan 31 2006, 04:12 PM)
Nope, it's not the classic perspective effect.  Look at this crop from Alan's latest Route Map.  Them black spots be rover-sized rocks...

--Bill
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Bill, I've already said I love this view of Mars, but I would not characterize it as a high resolution image. It has, to begin with, a 5X (?) vertical exaggeration and that would tend to grow a dark splotch, perhaps consisting of a number of rocks, into a "large" structure. This image seems to have been 'processed' in other ways as well. I think you will have to find these rocks in some of the pan or nav shots taken nearby and use a parallax measure to be sure of their size. I'm not the expert at that. Check with Dilo or Tesch or one of those guys.
CosmicRocker
QUOTE (Tesheiner @ Jan 31 2006, 08:40 AM)
...Pitcher's Mound is on sight again, and I think Home Plate too.
Check for yourselves: http://nasa.exploratorium.edu/mars/spirit/...MGP0715R0M1.JPG
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Couldn't they have only gone a few more meters? mad.gif Well, at least we might expect a nicer view of Home Plate tomorrow. smile.gif

QUOTE (dot.dk @ Jan 31 2006, 07:02 PM)
Remember Eagle crater and the great rock wall we saw there?  laugh.gif
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Oh yes, that brings back some memories for me. "A great rock wall" is exactly what I thought I was seeing, at first. What a surprise it was when my perspective was later adjusted.
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I've been looking at all of this cool, frothy basalt float lying about, and I continue to wonder where it has come from. We've seen no outcrops of the stuff as far as I have seen. The float seems so abundant that I doubt it is just some debris, blasted from a crater somewhere else. I am starting to suspect it may be left over from some of the previously overlying layers that have been eroded away in this area. Official updates have said that it might be from the basin-filling basalt, or that it might be "something else." Do any of you have other thoughts?
dilo
QUOTE (Shaka @ Feb 1 2006, 02:32 AM)
I think you will have to find these rocks in some of the pan or nav shots taken nearby and use a parallax measure to be sure of their size. I'm not the expert at that. Check with Dilo or Tesch or one of those guys.
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Try using this stereo couple, without verical exhageration:
Bill Harris
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I've been looking at all of this cool, frothy basalt float lying about, and I continue to wonder where it has come from. We've seen no outcrops of the stuff as far as I have seen.

I've been wondering too! As far as I remember, we first saw this as the Diana Ross and/or Fractal Spongebob Rocks as we approached this "Homeplate Basin" region, bounded by Mitcheltree Ridge. We may have overlooked it before, but this frothy basalt is quite distinctive and if we passed anywhere near it someone here would have said "huh?". So I think we can safely say that the source area is here and think that we will find an outcrop here.

This is the wonderful think about Homeplate. We see all these things from a distance as we approach but we have more puzzle-pieces real soon. I'm looking forward to seeing that Homeplate bluff.

--Bill
Oersted
QUOTE (Tesheiner @ Jan 31 2006, 04:40 PM)
Pitcher's Mound is on sight again, and I think Home Plate too.
Check for yourselves: http://nasa.exploratorium.edu/mars/spirit/...MGP0715R0M1.JPG
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Wauw, Pitcher's Mound looks just spectacular from down low. I think it will be one of the signature features of this trek. Can't wait to see a huge big panorama from the edge of Home Plate with Pitcher's Mound in the background: just with one wheel touching the edge of the Plate to say "here I am, made it!".
Tesheiner
Ok, no driving tosol (740) but only another attempt to take the "drive-direction" panorama.

PS: The way I read the info on the data tracking web is that yestersol post-drive imagery was only partially executed (2 of 5 navcam shots, no pancam). IMO, probably aborted due to lack of time.

CODE
12. How does what we requested compare with what the rover executed? (be sure PUL's
know, and if important, the PEL.  update the SSF list  
/home/mersci/pan/A/ops/Sol_all_seq_list.txt as appropriate)

Data products:
                                  Number     Number
              Number     Number   Still      not (yet)
Sol  Seq.Ver   Requested  Created  on Rover   Created      Description
--- ---------  ---------  -------  ---------  -----------  -----------
...
739 p2358.15   26         0        0          26           pancam_6x1_drive_direction_L7R1
...
739 p1212.07   4          4        4          0            front_haz_ultimate_2_bpp_pri15
739 p0715.03   20         8        8          12           navcam_5x1_az_198_3_bpp
...
740 p2359.15   26         0        0          26           pancam_6x1_drive_direction_L7R1
Tesheiner
Well, I should try to learn a bit more about the data tracking web... huh.gif

I previously said "no driving tosol (740)" but actually it was a driving sol. New site/drive = ANO8.
wheel.gif wheel.gif wheel.gif

Strangely, the images are under those "unexpected sequences" (seq. id. = p0715.03) seen sometimes. I wonder what does it mean... (I should post a question to Jim Bell)

CODE
2. What EDRs do we have on the ground from sol 740?

Actual number of EDRs by sequence number and image type:

Sol Seq.Ver  ETH ESF EDN EFF ERP Tot  Description
--- -------- --- --- --- --- --- ---- -----------
740 f0006.00 37  0   0   0   0   37   Unexpected sequence!!!!
740 p0715.03 0   0   0   5   0   5    Unexpected sequence!!!!
740 p1201.20 0   0   0   2   0   2    Unexpected sequence!!!!
740 p1206.04 0   0   0   0   0   0    Unexpected sequence!!!!
740 p1212.07 0   0   0   2   0   2    Unexpected sequence!!!!
740 p1301.09 0   0   0   2   0   2    Unexpected sequence!!!!
740 p1306.02 0   0   0   0   0   0    Unexpected sequence!!!!
740 p1312.09 0   0   0   2   0   2    Unexpected sequence!!!!
740 p1615.08 0   0   0   0   0   0    Unexpected sequence!!!!
740 p1733.01 0   0   0   0   0   0    Unexpected sequence!!!!
740 p2122.02 0   0   0   0   0   0    pancam_cal_targ_L257R1
740 p2359.15 0   0   0   0   0   0    pancam_6x1_drive_direction_L7R1
740 p2514.05 0   0   0   0   0   0    pancam_clast_survey_L7R1
740 p2519.02 0   0   0   0   0   0    pancam_nearfield_starboard_L7R1
740 p2569.15 0   0   0   0   0   0    pancam_Chang_Er_L257R1
740 p2570.15 0   0   0   0   0   0    pancam_Yi_L7R1
740 p2571.15 0   0   0   0   0   0    pancam_Wu_Gang_L7R1
740 p2600.07 0   0   0   0   0   0    pancam_tau
740 p2600.07 0   0   0   0   0   0    pancam_tau
740 p2631.01 0   0   0   0   0   0    pancam_sky_spot_L234567R34567
740 Total    37  0   0   13  0   50  
lyford
CODE
740 p1733.01 0   0   0   0   0   0    Unexpected sequence!!!!

Whatever it is, it got FOUR EXCLAMATION POINTS!!!!
Unless someone here knows, I agree that this would be a good Jim Bell Q!!!!
Tesheiner
Well, amont other things, it's THIS:



Nice, isn't it? cool.gif
djellison
Indeed - it would be - BUT - he's away for a few days so I cant really ask him, I might drop him a line and ask what it's all about in the meantime though

Doug
Tesheiner
My understanding, but I would like an answer from JB, is that those sequences were simply uplinked to the rover before the plan was included on the database; a sort of "later delivery".
djellison
The f0006 is still similar to the 'FS Commanded' but the others I'm not sure of - I've emailed him in a hope he can get back to me before he heads off for a few days of meetings smile.gif

Doug

(Attached, two end of drive mosaics - PC and NC - Taken, downlinked, online, mosaic, and posted - 3hrs 51 minutes)
Tesheiner
Here's what I get:

740 f0006.00 37 0 0 0 0 37 Unexpected sequence!!!!
740 p0715.03 0 0 0 5 0 5 Unexpected sequence!!!! (navcam_5x1_az_198_3_bpp)
740 p1201.20 0 0 0 2 0 2 Unexpected sequence!!!!
740 p1206.04 0 0 0 0 0 0 Unexpected sequence!!!!
740 p1212.07 0 0 0 2 0 2 Unexpected sequence!!!! (front_haz_ultimate_2_bpp_pri15)
740 p1301.09 0 0 0 2 0 2 Unexpected sequence!!!!
740 p1306.02 0 0 0 0 0 0 Unexpected sequence!!!!
740 p1312.09 0 0 0 2 0 2 Unexpected sequence!!!!
740 p1615.08 0 0 0 0 0 0 Unexpected sequence!!!! (navcam_5x1_az_18_05_bpp)
740 p1733.01 0 0 0 0 0 0 Unexpected sequence!!!!
740 p2122.02 4 4 0 0 2 10 pancam_cal_targ_L257R1
740 p2359.15 12 0 0 12 2 26 pancam_6x1_drive_direction_L7R1
...

Check with previous sol's seq. ids.
Tesheiner
And in the meantime, here is that "740 p0715.03 0 0 0 5 0 5 Unexpected sequence!!!! (navcam_5x1_az_198_3_bpp)".

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Sunspot
The pancam sequence stops just short of homeplate... but it caught "pitchers mound"

http://qt.exploratorium.edu/mars/spirit/pa...O8P2359R1M1.JPG
djellison
It's not great, but there's something there....
Bill Harris
>Nice, isn't it? cool.gif

Yes!

Even more interesting, look at the light-toned sulfate rings around the foreground pebbles being uncovered. Aha, another puzzle piece...

--Bill
paxdan
QUOTE (Bill Harris @ Feb 1 2006, 03:24 PM)
>Nice, isn't it?  cool.gif

Yes!

Even more interesting, look at the light-toned sulfate rings around the foreground pebbles being uncovered.  Aha, another puzzle piece...

--Bill
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i'm betting that trenching here would churn up some very sulfate rich soil
Bill Harris
Yep, and we're getting closer to the source of the salts, too.

Here is a cropped and exaggerated (3x) image of today's Navcam image of Homeplate/Pitcher's Mound. Note: Homeplate is not flat, and look at the caprock on Pitcher's Mound. Just a first look, it'll get better...

--Bill
dilo
Nice, Bill.
This inspired me to do a similar view, but stitching 2 images, removing noisy jpeg artifacts and enhancing farther details (4x vertical stretch):
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This is unstretched anagligh of 3 images stitch:
Shaka
QUOTE (djellison @ Feb 1 2006, 05:20 AM)
It's not great, but there's something there....
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I'll say! The lip up ahead should be our last hurdle, then we're home free!
Bill Harris
That is wonderful, Dilo. I did that during my morning break at work, where all I had was a shareware image editor and my imagination...

Properly edited and stretched, this scene has a certain Alpine quality to it One can imagine the caprock/homeplate as snowy, and the basalt rocks as trees. And one can also imagine Marvin the Martian schussing down the slope wih a yodel.

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--Bill
jamescanvin
A few recent small colour pans:







See my Website for full size versions.

James
sattrackpro
QUOTE (Bill Harris @ Feb 1 2006, 08:49 AM)
Homeplate is not flat, and look at the caprock on Pitcher's Mound.
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Yeah... sort of ruins the speculation about either being formed through some wet sedimentary process, doesn't it? Maybe, volcanic, hot 'n thick, nearly cooled last-cough burble to the surface of... what kind of stuff - and maybe not.

We are seeing elements and processes that have little to do with what we see in earthly parallels because we don’t have ‘water’ that is mostly sulfuric acid, an atmosphere of carbon dioxide and temperatures that run to minus 140 degrees at night. Speculation I think is hobbled by lack of familiarity with the dynamics involved here. biggrin.gif
jamescanvin
QUOTE (jamescanvin @ Feb 2 2006, 11:38 AM)
A few recent small colour pans:



See my Website for full size versions.

James
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Just noticed that there was one frame missing from the Sol 729 pan (the one with El Dorado in it) as it had a different sequence number, I think JPL is trying to confuse me! I've now added it in.

Thanks to MMB's panoramas for bringing it to my attention! smile.gif

James
CosmicRocker
QUOTE (Bill Harris @ Feb 1 2006, 09:49 AM)
...Note: Homeplate is not flat, and look at the caprock on Pitcher's Mound.  Just a first look, it'll get better...
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I'm really afraid to comment based on this very low-angle and distant perspective from a Navcam. We did get a slightly better view today, but Home Plate appeared relatively flat to slightly dish-shaped from earlier perspectives. The Pancams should be noticeably better, but maybe not good enough yet from this direction, I think.
QUOTE (sattrackpro @ Feb 1 2006, 06:45 PM)
Yeah... sort of ruins the speculation about either being formed through some wet sedimentary process, doesn't it? ...
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I never could quite rule it out, but wet sedimentary processes never seemed likely to me for these rocks. I'd love to be proven wrong on that, though.
QUOTE (jamescanvin @ Feb 1 2006, 09:46 PM)
Just noticed that there was one frame missing from the Sol 729 pan (the one with El Dorado in it) as it had a different sequence number, I think JPL is trying to confuse me! I've now added it in.

Thanks to MMB's panoramas for bringing it to my attention!  smile.gif ...James
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Your work remains among that of the few masters here, James. Thanks.
MaxSt
Meteor?
sattrackpro
Looks like we've reached a top-over point - and see a pass through what might be the extension of Mitcheltree Ridge. The bright sandy spot (in green elipse) seems to mark the point in prior posts that looked to be just North of that ridge.

If so, there was a substantial drive today!
Tesheiner
> If so, there was a substantial drive today!

Today for you, but yesterday for me. biggrin.gif

I'm looking forward another move today, hopefully to the point (yellow circle at about 27m from the current position) in which Home Plate should be fully in sight.
What can be seen on sol 740 navcams is just half of it. I picked some headings from the route map and translated to the following image highlighting Home Plate, Pitcher's Mound and "Baby Mound" (is there any agreement on the forum about that last name?).

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ustrax
QUOTE (Tesheiner @ Feb 2 2006, 10:05 AM)
...and "Baby Mound" (is there any agreement on the forum about that last name?).

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Ellison Mound?
A small geological feature on Gusev but, undeniably, part of it's understanding.
As Doug and this site are, undeniably, part of the incredible adventure of Spirit on exploring Mars.
Well...Just a sugestion...
rolleyes.gif
Bob Shaw
QUOTE (ustrax @ Feb 2 2006, 11:33 AM)
Ellison Mound?
A small geological feature on Gusev but, undeniably, part of it's understanding.
As Doug and this site are, undeniably, part of the incredible adventure of Spirit on exploring Mars.
Well...Just a sugestion...
rolleyes.gif
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Well, if there's a really small, quite uppity and rather self-absorbed mound with a bad attitude behind the Mound-Previously-Known-As-Baby, can we call it Harlan?

Bob Shaw
sattrackpro
QUOTE (Tesheiner @ Feb 2 2006, 03:05 AM)
...highlighting Home Plate, Pitcher's Mound and "Baby Mound" (is there any agreement on the forum about that last name?).

Tesh, methinks we'll see tomorrow that 'Baby Mound' is a bigger critter than some might think - if it is indeed the top of that mound to the West of HP.

The top of it looks almost as high as HP itself - and if I don't miss a guess, we might run right straight up to the exposed edge of HP in about three days... for some extensive layer examination before we consider going for the surface itself. If so, we're going to be sitting right beside 'Baby Mound' for perhaps quite a while... biggrin.gif
djellison
Bingo
http://qt.exploratorium.edu/mars/spirit/na...RYP0705R0M1.JPG

Clear view to the good stuff smile.gif
odave
Hey, is that Spirit's autonav in action? An UMSF map uploaded and held out front by the IDD?

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Toma B
It's been quite a drive today... smile.gif
I hope there will be some more images from this fantastic viewpoint...
Tesheiner
QUOTE (odave @ Feb 2 2006, 04:48 PM)
Hey, is that Spirit's autonav in action?  An UMSF map uploaded and held out front by the IDD?

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