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Bill Harris
This is quite a site. Hopefully we have time to do more than a cursory inspection.

Have you been following the current wind direction, based on dust tails behind rocks and pebbles? On the slope at Gibson the wind seemed to be coming _from_ the northwest, perpendicular to the slope. On top of Homeplate, it seems to be blowing _toward_ the northwest (a 180 degree difference) or along the slope (a 90 degree difference). I imagine that the change in topography has caused this difference, but the change seems rather extreme.

--Bill
Tman
QUOTE (Astro0 @ Feb 20 2006, 06:57 AM) *
At the request of a few people, I put together a page with the highest resolution SFX images that I've created for Spirit's journey to HP.

Link

Thanks to everyone at UMSF who had a hand in their creation.
Hope you enjoy them.
Use them wisely.

Astro0 smile.gif


Very very nice page AstroO! I enjoy they each time.

I'm not quite sure wherefrom you've got the Rovers, but if you cut them from here: http://www.br-online.de//wissen-bildung/th...lash-rover.html you should the Rovers credit additionally to "BR-ONLINE/Arnulf Oppl". Then we got the permission to use it with this condition from BR-Online.

Unless you are Arnulf himself cool.gif
Astro0
QUOTE (Tman @ Feb 22 2006, 06:08 AM) *
I'm not quite sure wherefrom you've got the Rovers...you should credit additionally to "BR-ONLINE/Arnulf Oppl". Then we got the permission to use it with this condition from BR-Online.


Yep sorry, I have borrowed the Rover images from a few sources including BR-Online. Didn't realise that we has this arrangement with him. I credited Arnulf on my last image and am going to go back add the credit to any of my previous images where I've used it. My apologies for not doing it earlier. I do remember acknowledging on a thread a few months back that I used MERs from various places.

I recently purchased a whole suite of 3-D graphic software and currently I'm asking around for anyone with ideas of where I could get a decent 3-D mesh and set of textures for the MERs so I can generate my own with a much greater level of flexibility and ability to correct angles, perspective, lighting etc. If anyone can share some info here that would be appreciated. I've already found a few that cost $100s, but a freebie version would help the budget since I just drained the bank to buy the 3-D editing/video software. smile.gif

Thanks for the heads up, Tman!
Astro0
MERSFX Website
Stephen
Dunno whether this has been mentioned here yet, but there was a short piece in New Scientist last week that seems to be relevant to Spirit's current activities.

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[W]ith the Martian winter looming and dust accumulating on Spirit's solar arrays, the team is preparing to drive Spirit to a safe haven.

The Martian winter does not officially begin until August, but Byron Jones, rover mission manager at NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory (JPL) in Pasadena, California, US, says the team would like to get Spirit situated on a slope called McCool Hill, with its solar arrays tilted northward, in plenty of time.

That tilt maximises the sunlight falling on the arrays and worked well for the rovers during their first Martian winter, which peaked in September 2004.

Wednesday was Spirit's 754th Martian day (sol) in operation - a sol is 24 hours and 40 minutes. The team estimates it will take about 40 sols for Spirit to trek from Home Plate to McCool Hill and they want to arrive by their 800th sol.

"We're steadily approaching a point where if we don't reach a northern facing slope, we won't be as productive as we'd like," Jones told New Scientist. ... Spirit is currently operating with about 450 watt-hours per sol, but the available power has dropped by about 100 watt-hours over the past 50 sols, Jones says.

...

Spirit has reached its long-targeted Home Plate outcrop [where] the team is "collecting data at a furious rate".

The extensively layered, semi-circular outcrop is coarsely grained at the bottom with finer grained material higher up. Several theories could explain such layering, Squyres says - it could be a volcanic ash deposit, layers of ejecta from impact cratering or material laid down by wind or water. But he says, "If you took a poll of the team right now, I think you would find the favoured hypothesis is that it's some kind of volcanic ash deposit."

The team is looking for chunks of embedded material, or "volcanic bombs", which would provide hints of a volcanic origin. He says before Spirit has to head off towards it[s] winter quarters, the planners hope to manoeuvre the rover on top of Home Plate to gather more data.

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Stephen
Member 267
To Astro0.....

I did find a free Rover model at ...

http://www.celestiamotherlode.net/

Click on the Spacecraft listing there and you will see a bunch of digital spacecraft models
for download.



The model in 3DS format and this is how it looks when I loaded it into Vue d'esprit.

Dont know if its adequate for what you had in mind or not.
Nix
that's quite a nick newcomer, you mind if I call you newbie?

I hope we get that L7 missing data soon...


Nico smile.gif
DFinfrock
QUOTE (Bill Harris @ Feb 21 2006, 06:56 PM) *
Have you been following the current wind direction, based on dust tails behind rocks and pebbles? On the slope at Gibson the wind seemed to be coming _from_ the northwest, perpendicular to the slope. On top of Homeplate, it seems to be blowing _toward_ the northwest (a 180 degree difference) or along the slope (a 90 degree difference). I imagine that the change in topography has caused this difference, but the change seems rather extreme.

--Bill


Is it possible that a dust devil traversed the edge of Home Plate sometime recently? huh.gif The circulation (I'm assuming it's counterclockwise with most dust devils) might cause a convergence of wind as it swept past HP. The wind would come from opposite directions on either side of the dust devil's path.

David
RNeuhaus
Spirit has already climbed without much trouble of slipage into HP. The surface is a mix of rock and sand which provide a good traction plust a somewhat agressive slope of around 20 degree. A truck is capable to climb greater than 30 degree slope if the surface is alike to the picture.

Front view
http://marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov/gallery/all...2P1201L0M1.HTML

Border of HP
http://marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov/gallery/all...C2P1301L0M1.JPG
Why the border of HP is of lighter color than the rest?

Rodolfo
Astro0
QUOTE (‹^› ‹(•Ώ•)› ‹^› @ Feb 22 2006, 11:42 AM) *
To Astro0.....

I did find a free Rover model at ...

http://www.celestiamotherlode.net/

Click on the Spacecraft listing there and you will see a bunch of digital spacecraft models
for download.



The model in 3DS format and this is how it looks when I loaded it into Vue d'esprit.

Dont know if its adequate for what you had in mind or not.


"‹^› ‹(•Ώ•)› ‹^›" that's excellent. I'm sure I can adapt the 3DS model to improve the realism a bit and then add that to some future images.
Thanks, thanks, thanks! smile.gif smile.gif smile.gif

Astro0
mhoward
While we're waiting for the next batch of images... Here's a combination Navcam / false-color Pancam view from sol 755-758.

neb
QUOTE (RNeuhaus @ Feb 21 2006, 07:11 PM) *
Spirit has already climbed without much trouble of slipage into HP. The surface is a mix of rock and sand which provide a good traction plust a somewhat agressive slope of around 20 degree. A truck is capable to climb greater than 30 degree slope if the surface is alike to the picture.

Front view
http://marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov/gallery/all...2P1201L0M1.HTML

Border of HP
http://marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov/gallery/all...C2P1301L0M1.JPG
Why the border of HP is of lighter color than the rest?

Rodolfo

I would guess that erosion of the outcropping light colored beds has produced a layer of light sand. Ben
jamescanvin
QUOTE (edstrick @ Feb 20 2006, 05:34 PM) *
Jamescanvin: "All the Gibson pan images taken on Sol 748 are all down"

I grabbed the image and tried to do a contrast-stretch and color enhancement on it to bring out the color variety between bands. A lot of the brightest rock surfaces are saturated white and have lost detail in the green band. Red and blue channels are ok.


I've now finished a major update to my processing software which deals with the very bright and dark regions much better. There is much more detail in the image now. I'm only just learning how to adjust the colours using the new method though, comments welcome...



James
dilo
QUOTE (Astro0 @ Feb 22 2006, 03:31 AM) *
"‹^› ‹(•Ώ•)› ‹^›" that's excellent. I'm sure I can adapt the 3DS model to improve the realism a bit and then add that to some future images.
Thanks, thanks, thanks! smile.gif smile.gif smile.gif

Astro0

Thanks also from my side (I was looking for a while!)... smile.gif
Zeke4ther
QUOTE (jamescanvin @ Feb 22 2006, 03:31 AM) *
I've now finished a major update to my processing software which deals with the very bright and dark regions much better. There is much more detail in the image now. I'm only just learning how to adjust the colours using the new method though, comments welcome...

James


Outstanding! Excellent colour and detail. biggrin.gif
jvandriel
The view of Home Plate and surrounding on Sol 759.

Taken with the L0 navcam.

jvandriel
Sunspot
Can anyone remember the duration of the longest downtime at the exploratorium website? Is starting to think that it wont be back up now blink.gif blink.gif
Tesheiner
I remember a two-week downtime this last summer (mid-august?) and, iirc, it was due to a broken computer which had to be substituted.

Does anybody tried to contact them?
Nix


inspired by Michael's MMB screenshot; a navcam-pancam-L2 trial...
Nico
Myran
I can only echo Zeke4ther, that one are extremely good jamescanvin, so good you almost have to watch out for the conspira..... guys jumping you with demands how you gotten access to those images. tongue.gif
Ant103
Wow! Do you have working all the night? Your pano are excellent!

I show my color compostion of Spirit on Home Plate (comments are welcome).

Canceled due to this fu..ing Mac who don't want to submit my image :grr
Nirgal
QUOTE (Nix @ Feb 22 2006, 11:47 AM) *


inspired by Michael's MMB screenshot; a navcam-pancam-L2 trial...
Nico


very good work, Nico !

what a phantastic view with quite a dramatic atmosphere and sense of scale added by the rover self portrait !
impressively seamless stitching between pancam & navcam frames smile.gif
Deeman
A fast one. Dirty and Raw.
Still hoping that exploratorium will be back online soon blink.gif

Dirk,

Click to view attachment
Nirgal
Good work Dirk (I like espescially your subtle sky gradient :-)

interesting to see how different the color interpretations turn out even with multiple filter frames available ...
for example comparing your "beige tone" coloring to the more salmon/red hues of Dougs earlier color version.
In the end I'm almost happy that no one knows the "real" mars colors for sure ... that leaves us some artistic license for our many individual color interpretations of the same scene wink.gif
CosmicRocker
Although for some reason the JPL raw image index page does not show sol 760, 10 navcams and some pancams subframes from that sol are there.

http://marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov/gallery/all/spirit_n760.html
http://marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov/gallery/all/spirit_p760.html
Sunspot
That's odd......... I wonder if the images go straight to the JPL pages like they do at exploratorium, but for some reason the page doesnt update to show them?
climber
QUOTE (Sunspot @ Feb 22 2006, 09:53 PM) *
That's odd......... I wonder if the images go straight to the JPL pages like they do at exploratorium, but for some reason the page doesnt update to show them?

?????!!!!! so HOW do you get the images if not updated in the page ??????!!!! I'm very interested in
Shaka
QUOTE (CosmicRocker @ Feb 22 2006, 10:26 AM) *
Although for some reason the JPL raw image index page does not show sol 760, 10 navcams and some pancams subframes from that sol are there.

http://marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov/gallery/all/spirit_n760.html
http://marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov/gallery/all/spirit_p760.html

ohmy.gif oooooooh...CosRok is a hacker! CosRok is a hacker!..
HOW do you get to pictures that are stealthy?
I'm so jealous!
So what is it, JPL? We aren't suffering enough with Exploratorium down? You gonna hide the new pics on your site so only the hackers can see them? What else are you covering up, NASA? (insert emoticon for hysterical outrage)
sob
Bill Harris
S:N <1
Sunspot
sad.gif It only worked with Spirit images. Nothing for Opportunity sol 740
CosmicRocker
Well, MidnightMarsBrowser found the images with no problem, but if you want to "hack it," all you have to do is open a thumbnail page for sol 759 images and change the number in the URL from 759 ro 760.
climber
Ah..ah..ah.. , Shaka, stop this kind of reaction!!! I can't stop laughting....I nearly brake a rib....ah...ah...ah....ah...
mhoward
QUOTE (CosmicRocker @ Feb 22 2006, 09:29 PM) *
Well, MidnightMarsBrowser found the images with no problem, but if you want to "hack it," all you have to do is open a thumbnail page for sol 759 images and change the number in the URL from 759 ro 760.


Correction, I think: MMB finds the images if you do an Advanced Image Update for JPL. Be sure to check the "Fast Update" checkbox or it will take forever, and specify the start sol, if you do that.

Interesting: there appear to be a bunch of images that never quite made it to "new" status, and so weren't picked up in MMB auto-updates (at least for me). Some nice stuff, too.

I've updated the mmb pan metadata now after getting the "backdoor" images.

Bill Harris
QUOTE
but if you want to "hack it," all you have to do is open a thumbnail page for sol 759 images and change the number in the URL from 759 to 760.


I sometimes ahve to "fool" Exploratorium by manually changing the date in the directoryname for the days. The correct day does not always show up promptly in the top directory. I figure it's a Unix thing...

--Bill
peter59
QUOTE (Sunspot @ Feb 22 2006, 08:53 PM) *
That's odd......... I wonder if the images go straight to the JPL pages like they do at exploratorium, but for some reason the page doesnt update to show them?


Try here:

http://origin.mars5.jpl.nasa.gov/gallery/all/spirit.html
Shaka
Very nice! So it turns out there are TWO MER sites, the above and http://marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov/gallery/all/spirit.html and they have different things on them!? blink.gif
I'm sure there is a simple, straightforward explanation for this: e.g. one is for boys and one is for girls, or one is for Republicans and one is for Democrats, or one is for the multitudes and one is for the elect, or one is for Earthlings and one is for Martians.
I'm sure, if NASA ever wants me to understand, it will give me a call. huh.gif
mhoward
QUOTE (Shaka @ Feb 23 2006, 12:37 AM) *
Very nice! So it turns out there are TWO MER sites, the above and http://marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov/gallery/all/spirit.html and they have different things on them!? blink.gif


There are multiple NASA sites for everything, seemingly, but this seems to be a mirror site... weird.

Here is a nice soothing image of Husband Hill and El Dorado viewed from Home Plate:

sattrackpro
QUOTE (Shaka @ Feb 22 2006, 02:12 PM) *
(insert emoticon for hysterical outrage)
sob

laugh.gif laugh.gif - We’ve become incurably addicted to reliable, fast, normal image arrivals. Now we’re being starved – for some unknown reason...

BUT cool.gif – I think I’ve figured it out. NASA is being upstaged here – very embarrassing. There’s no need for traffic to the NASA rover websites, because all of us addicts are here. Worse yet, we see almost immediate super pans here – amazingly accurate and fantastically beautiful. rolleyes.gif

Solution – cut off the source of this competition. Instant fix. Now the traffic numbers justify the money spent on the NASA websites. ohmy.gif
jamescanvin
QUOTE (sattrackpro @ Feb 23 2006, 01:07 PM) *
Now the traffic numbers justify the money spent on the NASA websites. ohmy.gif


Do MMB JPL updates count as NASA website hits? tongue.gif

If so, there hit counters have probably gone through the roof over the last week - just from me! What with all the multiple trys at getting more images like the addict I've become. laugh.gif
Shaka
QUOTE (mhoward @ Feb 22 2006, 02:41 PM) *
There are multiple NASA sites for everything, seemingly, but this seems to be a mirror site... weird.

Here is a nice soothing image of Husband Hill and El Dorado viewed from Home Plate:


Thank you, MH, that does help. Even better would be a similar view of the south edge of HP! And while you're at it, I'd love a close-up of the black rubble pile near Erebus and the lower unit of Mogollon Rim! biggrin.gif
Y'know, this might be the only way some of us will stay sane after Spirit and Oppy go to that Great NASA Workshop in the Sky. We'll fabricate images in our underground graphics laboratories of the Wonders on the back side of Ramon Hill, we'll smuggle them to Doug who will then deal them out to us so we can mainline them. Ustrax can specialise in images of what's under the ripples at Ultreya. We'll just keep going like that until MSL touches down! tongue.gif
I feel better now. The cool blue light is on.
centsworth_II
"...the only way some of us will stay sane after Spirit and Oppy go to that Great NASA Workshop in the Sky." -- Shaka

Hang in there guys. We (lurkers) will need you when MSL gets there. mars.gif
jamescanvin
Well, it's a bit rough and ready and there is still a few chunks of data missing, but it's all you gonna get today, I've spent too long trying to get my software to swallow it as it is.

Full (41 pointings) Gibson pan in L257 colour, quarter res.

James
edstrick
I see a pair of color closeups in the latest pointed to pancan directory.
Bands 2,5,7 for the left cam and bands 2,(2+1)/2,1 for the right cam.
jvandriel
Here is the L7 pancam view of Home Plate on Sol 759.

jvandriel
djellison
QUOTE (edstrick @ Feb 23 2006, 09:24 AM) *
I see a pair of color closeups in the latest pointed to pancan directory.
Bands 2,5,7 for the left cam and bands 2,(2+1)/2,1 for the right cam.


I believe that is the 'James_Papa_Cool_Bell' observation. Jim's out the office for a week or two and that looks like his colleagues at Cornell are having a joke at his expense smile.gif

Doug
jvandriel
Spirit looking around on Home Plate.

A complete 360 degree panoramic view.

Taken with the L0 navcam on Sol 759 and Sol 760.

jvandriel
Tesheiner
QUOTE (djellison @ Feb 23 2006, 11:30 AM) *
I believe that is the 'James_Papa_Cool_Bell' observation.


Yup.

QUOTE (djellison @ Feb 23 2006, 11:30 AM) *
Jim's out the office for a week or two and that looks like his colleagues at Cornell are having a joke at his expense smile.gif


Maybe not.
http://www.nlbpa.com/bell__james_-_cool_papa.html

Hey, we should propose them to name a rock --a tiny one, it doesn't matter-- as "UMSF". wink.gif

QUOTE (jvandriel @ Feb 23 2006, 11:36 AM) *
Spirit looking around on Home Plate.

A complete 360 degree panoramic view.

Taken with the L0 navcam on Sol 759 and Sol 760.

jvandriel


Beautiful panorama, Jvandriel! cool.gif
djellison
Coincidence......I think NOT smile.gif

Doug
Ant103
Hi!

I succeed to upload my image on website.

Here is the link to my image who represent panorama in approximate true color when Spirit is on Home Plate :

http://www.astrosurf.com/merimages/On%20Ho...0-%20Sol758.jpg

Comments are welcome! smile.gif
paxdan
Click to view attachment
Quick and dirty polar pan - thanks Jvandriel.

i think it needs someone else to do a nice version.
Phil Stooke
Nice polar... if you leave one line of white pixels at the top of the image before the rotate 180 + filter-distort-polar operations (in Photoshop, or equivalents in other software), you will not get the radial streaks.

Phil
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