angel1801
Feb 15 2010, 03:06 PM
There is also a set of Tethys images from about 177,000km available too.
Juramike
Feb 15 2010, 03:17 PM
Poolio
Feb 15 2010, 03:57 PM
Nice one, charborob. The darkening in the crater walls is really pronounced in that image. Gordon's interpretation is enticing; I look forward to hearing other possibilities.
Kudos once again to the Cassini team for the spectacular views of another world. What amazing times we live in.
ugordan
Feb 15 2010, 04:01 PM
QUOTE (Poolio @ Feb 15 2010, 04:57 PM)

Gordon's interpretation is enticing;
I made no interpretation, just said what it
looks like
dilo
Feb 15 2010, 04:07 PM
Merging N00151591+93+95 (green+IR2+UV2 filters respectively in place of G,R,B channels) with Saturn in background:
Click to view attachmentThis is a enhanced version:
Click to view attachment
volcanopele
Feb 15 2010, 04:14 PM
dilo
Feb 15 2010, 04:21 PM
QUOTE (volcanopele @ Feb 15 2010, 05:14 PM)

Bah! Just when I though I got my color version done before you guys. Curses!
I would like to see your version, for sure is different (at least in terms of alignment technique, which was difficult for me...)
belleraphon1
Feb 15 2010, 04:54 PM
Wonderful as always.
Yeah, Stu, the fact we get access to these images so quickly still boggles this old space hound.
What is really amazing to me is that we have this old, battered moon (on the surface) riding right next to the most active mid-sized moon Enceladus.
Location in a system does not necessarily tell the whole story?!
Craig
Adam Hurcewicz
Feb 15 2010, 05:02 PM
Janus and Epimetheus eclipses (animation)
ElkGroveDan
Feb 15 2010, 05:13 PM
Well since Adam beat me by a few seconds, here's a MOV file instead
dilo
Feb 15 2010, 05:59 PM
Feb, 14 sequence animation:
Click to view attachmentNote the curious sudden illumination change on Epimtheus from a body on the right, perhaps from Janus itself (strange geometry, however)
ugordan
Feb 15 2010, 06:33 PM
QUOTE (dilo @ Feb 15 2010, 06:59 PM)

Note the curious sudden illumination change on Epimtheus from a body on the right
Looks like "sunset" to me.
volcanopele
Feb 15 2010, 06:37 PM
Nice catch about the change in illumination on Epimetheus. I doubt it is from Janus since that moon is clearly on the OTHER side of Epimetheus from those craters. I think we are just seeing a slight bit of rotation on Epimetheus, and the Sun is setting on the far rims of three impact craters just beyond the evening terminator.
I have to admit that I started to doubt that explanation since I suddenly thought that north might be up, so the terminator we are seeing would be the dawn one... But nope, south is up in your animation, so my explanation holds...
belleraphon1
Feb 15 2010, 07:16 PM
I do not usually throw in attachments so bare with me...
But in this Mimas image I am not convinced all the low albedo stuff is due to shadow.
Click to view attachmentIt is from NAC image N00151508. Also if you look at dilo's colorized global image you can see a few darkish spots in the high phase region. Kinda like the Rhea ring impactors but more dispersed (not in a line)?
Interesting.
Craig
Explorer1
Feb 15 2010, 07:45 PM
Wow this stuff is truly great. Honestly if it wasn't for the central peak Herschel almost looks like it formed some other way. It's just so irregular and different from other big craters, like on the moon or Callisto.
Mysteries abound!
Juramike
Feb 15 2010, 07:50 PM
Compare it to Rhea. Many of the larger craters on that moon are also irregular.
Mass wasting and slumping the crater walls of Herschel seem evident.
EDIT: Looking at the picture that Craig posted it seems that there is a tendency for the walls to form and slump along parallel lines going from lower left to top right.
Ian R
Feb 15 2010, 08:01 PM
Here are my two 'bouncy' animations of this mutual event:
Epimetheus-centric:Click to view attachmentJanus-centric:Click to view attachment
Adam Hurcewicz
Feb 15 2010, 08:19 PM
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Nice work !
Your animations show rotations of this monns
dilo
Feb 15 2010, 08:56 PM
Grat animations, Ian! (original quality is clearly better than mine...)
Gordan, you were right!
Adam Hurcewicz
Feb 15 2010, 09:06 PM
TETHYS in (IR1, G UV3)
ir1 N00151608
g N00151607
uv3 N00151606
Poolio
Feb 15 2010, 09:08 PM
What we're seeing here is these two co-orbitals exchanging orbits, correct? It seems natural to think that the switching of orbits would need to cause temporary redirections of the moons from their normal elliptical orbits, and therefore the observed rotations and exposure of hidden surfaces to the sun.
Floyd
Feb 15 2010, 09:23 PM
I'm not exactly sure where they are in the process of exchanging orbits, but I think the relative movement we see here is mainly the changing perspective of Cassini as it rushes by.
Phil Stooke
Feb 15 2010, 09:34 PM
This is not the orbital switch. There are several factors - the moving spacecraft, the moons moving relative to the sun and to each other.
Phil
Poolio
Feb 15 2010, 09:37 PM
But changing the observer's perspective couldn't account for the change in illumination of the subject. We must be seeing physical rotation of the moons themselves relative to the sun.
Phil Stooke
Feb 15 2010, 09:38 PM
"in this Mimas image I am not convinced all the low albedo stuff is due to shadow."
These patches don't look unusually dark in images with more overhead lighting, which you can see further up the thread. - but there are real dark spots in places further east.
Phil
volcanopele
Feb 15 2010, 09:46 PM
Yes, exactly. These movies are taken over a non-insignificant fraction of the day for these moons. But it doesn't have to do with any interaction between the two moons.
Poolio
Feb 15 2010, 09:58 PM
Okay, I get it. Thanks. So the rotation we're seeing is just the normal rotation of these moons. "Sunset", like Gordon said about 10 posts ago.
(I should know better than to post before doing my homework. The switching of orbits happened on
January 21, more than three weeks ago.)
Adam Hurcewicz
Feb 15 2010, 10:30 PM
I finish colorize MIMAS. This dark areas are more visible.
ir2 N00151593
BL1 N00151591 (like chanel G)
uv2 N00151595
tedstryk
Feb 15 2010, 10:51 PM
Adam, it says "Limax 7" in the corner of your images. What does that mean?
Adam Hurcewicz
Feb 15 2010, 11:07 PM
QUOTE (tedstryk @ Feb 15 2010, 11:51 PM)

Adam, it says "Limax 7" in the corner of your images. What does that mean?
It's my nick in polish forums: astro4u and astro-forum.org (the largest polish astro forums)
but also I use this nick in other groups: comet-ml
Juramike
Feb 16 2010, 02:17 AM
Final adjusted color composite RGB [IR1, GRN, UV3], with enhancement in the overexposed region:
Click to view attachmentThe ridge at the limb to the upper right of Odysseus is likely a remnant of another large impact basin.
Full res here:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/31678681@N07/4361319512/
peter59
Feb 16 2010, 07:58 AM
My mosaic is not of good quality, I hope that someone will do it better, but the view is impressive.
Click to view attachment
ElkGroveDan
Feb 16 2010, 08:01 AM
QUOTE (peter59 @ Feb 15 2010, 11:58 PM)

My mosaic is not good quality,
It's underexposed.
remcook
Feb 16 2010, 08:50 AM
ugordan
Feb 16 2010, 10:11 AM
Too contrast-stretched would be a better description.
Adam Hurcewicz
Feb 17 2010, 01:14 PM
And my Mimas mosaic from 4 images:
N00151557.jpg
N00151553.jpg
N00151577.jpg
N00151578.jpg
Adam Hurcewicz
Feb 18 2010, 08:44 AM
scalbers
Feb 19 2010, 04:06 PM
QUOTE (Adam Hurcewicz @ Feb 17 2010, 01:14 PM)

And my Mimas mosaic from 4 images:
N00151557.jpg
N00151553.jpg
N00151577.jpg
N00151578.jpg
Nice to see this moderately high resolution mosaic. Maybe advantageous for mapping.
CAP-Team
Feb 19 2010, 06:37 PM
I had already checked your site for a map update
volcanopele
Feb 19 2010, 07:29 PM
I already tried updating my copy of Steve's map

Steve, what size did you use for Mimas? Did you assume a spherical Mimas? I converted my mosaic to a simple cylindrical map and I can't get things to line up.
scalbers
Feb 19 2010, 10:43 PM
CAP-Team - my first step in updating the map is using a more full disk low-phase image as can be seen here:
Click to view attachmentVP - I'm using these three triaxial dimensions: 414.8 394.4 381.4. Good question about the fit as Mimas is a great test of our handling of triaxial ellipsoids. Here is a look at the degree of fit (and size relative to the limb) with the image I'm using:
Click to view attachmentHow nice to have Saturn backlighting & highlighting the dark limb, right where this is needed

Steve
volcanopele
Feb 19 2010, 11:48 PM
Well, the issue that I have is that my Herschel comes out looking oblong in the north-south direction, which I think it should..., but it pushes some of the craters north and south of Herschel closer to the poles than what is shown in the map on your website.
Phil Stooke
Feb 20 2010, 01:19 AM
Sounds like the dreaded Peters Projection! Seriously, is it a map projection mismatch?
Phil
scalbers
Feb 20 2010, 02:44 PM
Perhaps VP is working with a planetographic map as I think that corresponds with an oblong appearance for Herschel. The official maps on the CICLOPS site also appear to be planetographic. Conversely I am working with planetocentric coordinates (still on the triaxial ellipsoid), where Hershel should probably look more round.
It appears possible to convert between planetocentric and planetographic. One way (at least for the latitude part) might be the reverse of what is discussed below:
https://isis.astrogeology.usgs.gov/IsisSupp...hp?topic=1550.0Here BTW is a map using three images from the new flyby.
Click to view attachmentSteve
P.S. I recall running into the Peters projection on another project, thankfully not this one!
Bjorn Jonsson
Feb 20 2010, 08:23 PM
Looks great even though the contrast stretch is a bit extreme for my taste (completely black shadows in craters etc.). Is the automatic contrast stretch applied to the source images one of the reasons for this?
scalbers
Feb 20 2010, 08:32 PM
Bjorn - yes it's true this looks quite a bit more contrasty and darker compared with say my Enceladus map. For Mimas many of the first images on the map were at higher phase angles. That coupled with such a battered surface tended to give a preponderance of shadowed craters. This kind of became the norm for contrast when newer images are added. New images at low phase thus have to be contrast stretched quite a bit to look consistent. Nonetheless it appears to be a good suggestion and I will try to soften the shadows (and avoid losing details) with some of the imagery.
Here's a slightly less contrasty 4K version:
Click to view attachmentSteve
Adam Hurcewicz
Feb 20 2010, 09:31 PM
Steve, what software you use to making maps? I searched Google and nothing..
scalbers
Feb 20 2010, 10:15 PM
Adam - I'm using IDL. Using this software I wrote various procedures that help me navigate images, handle the map projections, and do the mapping.
Steve
Adam Hurcewicz
Feb 21 2010, 02:15 PM
Iapetus color image (19 Feb. 2010)
N00151720.jpg ®
N00151716.jpg (G)
N00151719.jpg (
elakdawalla
Feb 21 2010, 09:48 PM
Nice! Here's my version

Used all the images, stacked to attempt to reduce JPEG artifacts, enlarged 200%.
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