ngunn
Mar 3 2010, 10:52 PM
QUOTE (AndyG @ Mar 3 2010, 10:23 PM)

When was Newton taken off the wheel?
He was no good. As soon as there were more than two bodies his calculations went to pieces.
NickF
Mar 3 2010, 10:54 PM
QUOTE (volcanopele @ Mar 3 2010, 10:19 PM)

Well, the issue might have been not so much the pointing, but our understanding of the position of Helene... mean, we were pointed where we planned it, but Helene was not where we expected it to be.
Better this way than Cassini ending up as bugsplat on Helene's windshield
machi
Mar 4 2010, 10:57 AM
Darkside of Helene.
Combination from five raw images.
Approximately 2× magnified.
stevesliva
Mar 4 2010, 05:25 PM
Nice machi! You brought out some gullies/streaks in the lower left there.
They all remind me of that closeup of the crater in Stickney on Phobos.
Frank Crary
Mar 4 2010, 07:52 PM
QUOTE (ngunn @ Mar 3 2010, 10:52 PM)

QUOTE (AndyG @ Mar 3 2010, 10:23 PM) *
When was Newton taken off the wheel?
He was no good. As soon as there were more than two bodies his calculations went to pieces.
Actually, that's another reason the Helene images very interesting. Helene is a trojan moon of Dione. It turns out the three-body interaction makes Helene's orbit a sensitive measure of the Dione:Saturn mass ratio. I suspect someone can turn an off-center image of Helene into an improved determination of Dione's mass.
ngunn
Mar 4 2010, 09:59 PM
Welcome to UMSF Frank.
Ian R
Mar 5 2010, 01:53 AM
In this montage, the two views to the right are wide-angle shots of Helene which I presume were taken during the unsuccessful skeet-shoot sequence, while the left-most view is a NAC frame taken as Cassini was receding from the moon with Saturn providing a backdrop:
Click to view attachment
machi
Mar 7 2010, 03:58 PM
Nice montage Ian R!
I send another two views of Helene.
First image is higher resolution combination of the darkside (from 4 images).
Second is highest resolution image of Helene (global image is WAC frame). Resolution of this image is aproximately 20 meters per pixel (my rough estimate).
machi
Mar 7 2010, 04:28 PM
And third image.
It's a combination from 13 images.
alan
Mar 7 2010, 04:51 PM
Lots of linear features on the crater rim, the results of landslides I assume. If a landslide was occurring while you were observing Helene, at ~0.001g, could you tell it was happening?
Ian R
Mar 8 2010, 01:42 AM
Very nice work indeed, Machi.

Here's my attempt to link together all of the medium-resolution views of this moon, using some of its more prominent surface features:
Click to view attachment
Ian R
Mar 11 2010, 01:05 AM
Here's another attempt of making sense of the many different views of this little moon:
Click to view attachmentPNG Version:
elakdawalla
Mar 11 2010, 02:08 AM
This is really awesome. One thing that I think would add to it is if you could trace in different colors the longitude lines on the simulated views that mark 0 (sub-Saturn), 90, 180 (anti-Saturn), and 270. That's something I wish the rings node viewer did automatically, but it doesn't. It'd really help me orient myself. What do you think?
machi
Mar 11 2010, 10:26 AM
I always love images of this kind!
Ian R
Mar 11 2010, 11:36 AM
Glad you got a kick out of my little experiment Emily; I went ahead and added the coloured meridians to the simulated views as per your suggestion (see my original post).
I enjoyed your latest blog entry elucidating the possible reasons why the skeet-shoot encounter didn't entirely go to plan. For the UMSF folks who haven't seen or read it yet, you can find the article here:
http://www.planetary.org/blog/article/00002383/Interestingly, this isn't the first time that a non-targeted flyby of Helene has produced some poorly-framed views; the of images taken in November 2008 show the moon right at the edge of the frame, slowly moving out of sight as the sequence progresses:
http://saturn.jpl.nasa.gov/photos/raw/rawi...?imageID=174939http://saturn.jpl.nasa.gov/photos/raw/rawi...?imageID=175050Ian.
tasp
Mar 11 2010, 02:37 PM
Fascinating how Helene can probe the mass ratio of Dione to Saturn for us.
At first glance, one might think whatever the initial trajectory of Helene was as it morphed into the Trojan relationship (assuming it did not form there) would swamp any subtle effects like the mass ratio effect. I concede I tend to think of these Trojan objects in a 2 dimensional realm as they 'wobble' about the actual Trojan point, where as in reality, objects like Helene would be exhibiting 'wobbles' in inclination too, making for three dimensional excursions in it's 'average' alignment with Dione and Saturn.
Taking this a step further, that initial orbit of Helene prior to dropping into the Trojan relationship (again, assuming it had one) would be even harder to discern now.
jasedm
Mar 11 2010, 08:46 PM
Just wanted to add to the chorus of approval of your montage Ian - stirling stuff!
belleraphon1
Mar 15 2010, 10:11 PM
Rhea encounter...
" At a science meeting Friday (03/05/10?), we talked about a few of the preliminary results. Some of the magnetospheric and plasma science instruments teams reported that they’re seeing some really interesting and surprising results! So stay tuned to hear more about those!"
Amanda Hendrix
http://blogs.jpl.nasa.gov/?p=64Craig
Antdoghalo
Mar 16 2010, 01:56 AM
QUOTE (belleraphon1 @ Mar 15 2010, 06:11 PM)

Rhea encounter...
" At a science meeting Friday (03/05/10?), we talked about a few of the preliminary results. Some of the magnetospheric and plasma science instruments teams reported that they’re seeing some really interesting and surprising results! So stay tuned to hear more about those!"
Amanda Hendrix
http://blogs.jpl.nasa.gov/?p=64Craig
I cant wait to find out what they found!
Did they find more evidence of rings?!
Or did they find a volcanic plume?!
nprev
Mar 16 2010, 02:00 AM
It sounds interesting all right, but don't get too excited yet.
Saturn's immediate neighborhood is a very dynamic place, and without knowing the specifics there are a great many less spectacular possible explanations for unusual magnetic/plasma observations. Let's wait & see.
Juramike
Mar 16 2010, 02:50 AM
I think Rhea has been underappreciated. I'm looking forward to hearing more!
ugordan
Mar 16 2010, 09:11 AM
QUOTE (belleraphon1 @ Mar 15 2010, 11:11 PM)

Some of the magnetospheric and plasma science instruments teams reported that they’re seeing some really interesting and surprising results!
Ahh, so the Monolith is
there! I wondered where that thing went...
tasp
Mar 16 2010, 01:54 PM
Evidently, Cassini did not impact anything too big near Rhea . . . .
Ian R
Sep 23 2010, 11:49 AM
I notice that the best narrow-angle shot of Helene from the March flyby has been released:
http://photojournal.jpl.nasa.gov/catalog/PIA12723I've rotated the TIFF, so that north is up, and generated an enhanced version that highlights the small-scale surface features:
Click to view attachment
Ian R
Sep 30 2010, 02:42 PM
Of minor interest, I'm sure, is a video of the Helene flyby I put together ages ago, quickly forgot about and then rediscovered only recently:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SP1fnh4vsKQ&fmt=43
Phil Stooke
Sep 30 2010, 07:27 PM
Very nice - thanks!
Phil
Hungry4info
Nov 26 2010, 03:04 AM
An oxygen-carbon dioxide atmosphere has been observed at Rhea.
National Geographic linkAnd a rather shocking interpretation of this,
Saturn's moon Rhea may have a breathable atmosphere
nprev
Nov 26 2010, 03:28 AM
At least the comments are (mostly) quite properly skeptical; nobody's buying it.
This site's audience seems
far more informed than the author of that piece of tripe.
EDIT: Just sent a blistering e-mail to the editor-in-chief of that site; let's see if it does any good.
belleraphon1
Nov 26 2010, 12:03 PM
Deep breathes, nprev, deep breathes...... just don't do that on the surface of Rhea.
Craig
centsworth_II
Nov 26 2010, 01:17 PM
QUOTE (nprev @ Nov 25 2010, 10:28 PM)

At least the comments are (mostly) quite properly skeptical; nobody's buying it....
I noticed that too. I liked this one:
"And now I would like to submit my application for io9 science editor... "
nprev
Nov 26 2010, 06:02 PM
Grr. (I'm cool, Craig, I'm cool!) Article's still up as of 26 Nov/1743 GMT, no retractions, no corrections.
Must be a US site, nobody's watching the store during the (informal) holiday here. No reply to my e-mail from last night, either.
I will maintain robotic vigilance (that's the best kind, of course) over this issue
Hungry4info
Nov 27 2010, 05:11 PM
Dropping the S/N for a sec for an artistic interpretation of the latest news.
I'm curious what the presence of the atmosphere means for those strange readings that was originally interpreted as a ring.
Elias
Nov 29 2010, 10:36 PM
QUOTE (Hungry4info @ Nov 27 2010, 07:11 PM)

I'm curious what the presence of the atmosphere means for those strange readings that was originally interpreted as a ring.
Not much... This exosphere is not that dense to either absorb high-energy electrons or to drive a strong interaction with the flowing plasma, like we see at Io, Europa, Enceladus etc.
Paolo
Dec 23 2010, 08:04 PM
Juramike
Jun 1 2011, 03:46 AM
Image of Helene from March 3, 2010 flyby using "super-resolution" technique and PDS images:
Click to view attachment(Processing details on
flickr)
nprev
Jun 1 2011, 03:59 AM
That's an "oooo!!!" That's an "ahhhhh!" Like WOW, Mike!
AndyG
Jun 1 2011, 10:52 AM
And I can't help but add "groovy".
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